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Shove the Lawyers in the Closet

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NYTimes
7/15/2002 1:53:44 AM
Posted By: Don

Just wanted to comment on deep linking. At iSyndicate, we had a deal with the NYTimes that allowed us to distribute headlines for free to member affiliate web sites (300,000 plus registered sites) adn then their users could access each article for free. Any additional surfing of the NYTimes site would invoke a registration page. This was a great way for NYTD to build up their registration base while taking into consideration user preferences.

More thoughts
7/12/2002 4:14:41 AM
Posted By: Rick Brown


I'm glad you clarified that, Chris. I didn't realize that, but the logic of it doesn't surprise me. Likewise,
any weblogger who discovered a site was employing this tactic, especially if applied vindictively to
certain deep linkers, would probably drop the site from his resource list, or try to publicize
the site's practice as being veiled censorship against select individuals. Still, the one time that I noticed
WorldNet Daily had linked to an article on our small newspaper site, I might have been tempted to set
it up on that deep link if I'd had the resources to do it, if only as an experiment.

On the other hand, the opposite model might be worth consideration. Invoke a subscription pass or fee for
those who access archives from within the site, but let outside sources link to individual archived
articles with permanent URLs for free. If I'm reading other messages correctly, that's something akin to
what WashingtonPost.com is doing and touting it as a feature, although I don't claim to know their details.
Basically, once you've found an article, the access to it would be unlimited, but if you need to use the site's
own search engine to find it, you'll pay for the service once you retrieve the full article. (Why not go to Google
and look first? Good idea, but some people aren't savvy enough to think of that, or if they are, wouldn't be
able to narrow the search results to the desired domain. If the host site's search engine allows an easier,
more specific, and up-to-the-minute search, people might still have incentive to use it.)



Google: Redirects are spam
7/11/2002 2:59:37 PM
Posted By: Chris Sherman

Rick, your idea is definitely interesting, but all major search engines apply a "spam penalty" to URLs that redirect to another page. Redirection was one of the first tricks employed by spammers to get viewers to dubious pages -- the search engine's crawler would read "nice wholesome content" and index it favorably, but the page would redirect to "scumbag porno page" that "mousetraped" your browser and wouldn't let you surf away. Because the engines can't investigate the content of each URL they index, they generally look at *all* instances of redirection as deception, and penalize accordingly, regardless of your intent.

So while you may "get away" with this approach initially, ultimately you'll be poisioning your ranking status with the search engines -- probably even for your home page. I'd advise against the practice.

Chris Sherman
Editor, SearchDay
http://searchenginewatch.com/searchday

Why block if you could charge?
7/10/2002 9:23:04 PM
Posted By: Rick Brown


Instead of blocking deep linkers from the outside by technical means, why not use similar technical
means to charge a fee for those who come in via a deep link from the outside to a specific article?
Especially if it's unique content that can't be found elsewhere. For those who come in through my
home page, it's free. But if you come in via an outside deep link, son of a gun, that's a premium article
that'll cost you $2.95 to read.

Use your imagination and you'll probably think of all sorts of devious variations on this concept that
might further one's business agenda. The Google link leads to the article for free; the weblog link that
criticizes my newspaper's professionalism produces a premium entry point.

Disclaimer: Use your own discretion when applying this concept. My own ethics prohibit me from practicing
all the tricks which I am often clever enough to think of. :)



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