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Those Darn Spam Filters

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E-mail filters
7/16/2002 12:38:42 AM
Posted By: Angshuman Das

I think spam filters will always be a debatable topic because of the risk of accidentally booting out legitimate mail. I was a critic of mail server filters until I started receiving, sometime ago, a lot of spam in my official mail, some of it the unmentionable kind (I would spare the list the examples).

You can imagine the discomfort of getting such mail in your workplace. I have tried to block some addresses and "unsubscribe" (without ever subscribing in the first place), but these messages have stuck to my mail account like a leech.

Now, a lot of the mail come from hotmail.com, msn.com and yahoo.com domains. Should I try to keep out spam by having the network administrator block these domains on the server level?

Any remedy?

Why not a ban on unsolicited commercial mail
7/15/2002 4:30:30 PM
Posted By: Ernst Poulse

The amount of spam is getting to a point, where I have problems using my mail-address for some purposes. And I can't simply discard the address and move on to another as my domain-name is my own name.

I'm aware that Steve is not a great fan of the latest Danish court-rulings, but Denmark (among other countries) has a law which may be noteworthy.

Unsolicited commercial mail - a.k.a SPAM :-) - was made illegal two years ago. The specific wording is in the "Marketing Law", §6a. (Markedsføringsloven), which also prohibits unsolicited faxes.
http://147.29.40.91/DELFIN/HTML/A2000/0069929.htm

The few times I've received spam from Danes - and contacted the sender, they have all appologized on their knees. Often they simply weren't aware of the law. The European Union has a law against spam on the way, and a few US states have the same, as far as I remember. But what about the rest of the states - or a federal US law?

I'm fully aware that this is not the perfect solution, as spammers may move to other countries, but it would make it much more difficult / risky for the amateur-spammer who just bought a cd with zillions of mail-adresses.

I'm aware that a ban on spam, could prevent fairly legitimate commercial purposes, but if the increase in spam continues, millions of people could spend billions of minutes receiving, sorting and deleting spam. The most powerful tool of the Internet is rapidly degenerating.

Ernst Poulsen
ernst@ernstpoulsen.com



Sticky issue
7/13/2002 2:32:21 AM
Posted By: Rick Brown


Another point is the legal issue. I'm not a lawyer, but I would assume that any
ISP-initiated filter is on safer legal grounds if it uses some criteria based on volume
or words or some element that is clearly definable and quantifiable. Certainly, judging
by context is far superior, but it might not be justifiable in a lawsuit where
the plaintiffs scream that the defendant ISP had no right to stop their porno
solicitations based on subjective judgment. The other way, the ISP can argue it didn't
discriminate against anyone on the basis of subjectivity because it banned everyone who,
for example, used the word Viagra twice in an e-mail that was known to have been
sent to more than 2,000 people across the Internet.




Problem with spam filters
7/12/2002 3:27:32 PM
Posted By: Rich Gor


The problem is that the spam filters are, for the most part, relying on examination of the *content* of the email messages to determine whether to filter or not. And some of the filters are stunningly stupid -- mentioning the word "Viagra" in the wrong place, or including two explanation points in a row.

The preferable solution, of course, is to examine the *sender* of the email message. From what I know of Internet email, though, it's relatively easy to spoof the sender's address, and I don't know whether filtering software would recognize it. Still, I find that if I am reasonably diligent about adding "spamming" domain names to my Outlook filter list (probably adding an average of one per day), I can keep my inbox relatively free of unsolicited email. If I can do it, so can the email filtering companies that are charging money for their software.

At a minimum, these companies ought to test the "unsubscribe" links for every promotional email -- and if they don't work, put those domains on a spam list and, if relevant, inform the sender's ISP.


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