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Tip for TiVo

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Tivo "push capabilities
9/16/2002 12:06:57 PM
Posted By: Rohn Jay Miller

Tivo has the functionality--the phone line, the processor, the storage--to accept push messages now--but only in the form of the program guide it's programmed to receive. Clearly, what I meant was that *if the software was re-written* it could be used for other purposes. Which, by the way, Tivo was well aware of when they built the thing.

Like you, my Tivo calls in only to download the program guide and messages. In my case it's every night.

Won't work
9/16/2002 10:28:27 AM
Posted By: Jim

You can't push anything to my Tivo because it only calls in once a week. Unless some huge important event was scheduled over a week in advance.


The importance of what?
9/14/2002 4:10:18 PM
Posted By: Rohn Jay Miller

Tivo is a Unix-based processor with a big hard drive, so in theory there's all kinds of unique uses it could be adapated to--interactive television, shopping---and having news content, or any other kind of content "pushed."

There's no business model for this, of course, so it won't happen. Given the priorities of the companies in the food chain--Tivo, cable television companies, media companies--no one will experiment with this for years, if ever. Wink offers a form of the "flashing alert" system for use with interactive television services run by cable companies, but it's installed in all of a couple thousand homes nationwide.

When I worked on the Time Warner interactive television experiment in Orlando in the mid-90s, we tried to program a feature like this into the interactive news on demand program we built for Time, Inc. We called it a "red rocket." A small flashing red icon was supposed to begin flashing something like "NEWS ALERT" in the corner.

The problems were endless: users would want significant controls (blink until I respond, blink for one minute, blink and download, etc) but the biggest problems were trying to establish meaningful controls--technical and editorial.

Who has the magic button to issue an alert? How many editors? What are the standards? Local? Weather? National? Sports? MSNBC.com uses their "BREAKING NEWS" banner on their home page whenever there's a drive-by shooting in LA. CNN seems to use theirs on any event that moves which wasn't planned ahead of time--kidnappings, shopping center fires, press conferences by DAs. What if I don't give a damn about the Milosovich verdict, but I really, really care about the Georgia-Clemson football game?

But, hey, the much larger issue this noodling raises is: who cares?

Who really gives a damn? If you're that interested in the news, you probably are pretty close to a computer or a television or a radio and you can just turn it on.

And the truth is, the overwhelming majority of Americans don't care about the news, in any form.

I watched a presentation by Arbitron last week of a 25,000 person survey they conducted this summer. Among people with *four year college degrees or better* the total who rated newspapers as "the most important media" in their lives was 11%.



Its "Universal TV" that is the problem
9/14/2002 12:34:52 AM
Posted By: Mike Rice

Propagandists, advertising people and those who think American Mass Media helps hold
the Republic together, are the sole proponents the view that Television should be seen by everyone. Advertising and Public relations are the worst thing that have happened in America in the twentieth century. If TiVo can play a role in ridding us of "mass media" and
ushering in the era of "Personal Television" I am all for it. The customer (us) should have the right to select the programming, the time to watch it and whether we look at advertising.
Sitting in front of a TV set and "being programmed" is an unacceptable tyranny. America's
"commercial culture" is at the center of that tyranny. I have stopped watching network, cable,
commercial radio and public radio over the past eight years with a few VCRs to selectively
tape programs with. TiVo can bring that freedom to everyone. The consumer has to be in
a position to watch NONE of it.

Mike Rice
mrice@elroynet.com

Is this really useful?
9/13/2002 4:19:51 PM
Posted By: Jeff Foust

I'm not yet convinced of the utility of Steve Outing's proposal. A key disadvantage of this is that breaking news has an extremely short shelf life: in hours, if not minutes, the original story is superceded by additional and/or corrected information. Why would I want to record the initial new bulletin from CNN about an event when I can go to the channel, or to CNN.com, and get the latest version? There might be interest among news junkies and historians, but not by the general public.

A far more interesting proposal would be some way to inform people who might be using their TVs, but not watching broadcast or news channels, of a breaking news event. A flashing light or icon on the TV screen or set-top box might alert someone watching a pay-per-view movie, catching up on their recorded Sopranos episodes, or just playing GTA3 on their PlayStation, that there's breaking news happening. Obviously there are standardization and implementation issues to consider (who sends the alerts, and how), not to mention the possibility of abuse, but it doesn't seem like an impossible problem.


They can already do it
9/13/2002 7:49:05 AM
Posted By: Brendan Quinn

TiVo can already do this, they are currently looking at how to best use it... here's one way not to do it, as we at the BBC discovered a few months ago:

BBC attacked for TiVo ploy
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/new_media/2016264.stm

It comes down to someone's judgement on which shows are important enough to be downlaoded automatically on everyone's boxes. And TiVo, not being an editorially-focussed company, is happy to work with the highest bidder. Maybe it's this that needs to change.

Brendan.

Recorded Alert
9/12/2002 4:06:56 PM
Posted By: Stephen Downes

That's the best idea Steve Outing has had this year.

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