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Toshiba to add Tivo to DVD player
11/13/2002 11:26:20 AM
Posted By: Rohn Miller

New twist on Tivo's future from 11/12/02 Wall Street Journal:

"Digital videorecorders -- the cult gadgets that let you automatically record an entire season of "The Sopranos" or pause live TV -- are now coming packaged inside other popular home electronics.

In a step in that direction, TiVo Inc. -- one of the best-known makers of digital videorecorders -- Wednesday announced that Toshiba Corp.'s U.S. unit will likely incorporate the technology in a DVD player or other devices. The new "combination box" is set for release next year. Other similar combo gadgets are also beginning to hit the market."

As I said below, the future of Tivo is as an add on to other boxes--cable, satellite, DVD. Someone from the tech sector--Scientific Atlanta, DirectTV, Toshiba, maybe even Microsoft--will buy Tivo before it goes under. Tech companies don't care about advertising models, so manybe Toshiba or Phillips is a better fit than a company with media interests or media clients like Scientific Atlanta.



My opinion is my own
11/12/2002 12:48:35 PM
Posted By: Steve Outing

Robert Spears wrote (below): "It will be interesting to watch when Poynter starts to apply this “adapt or die” strategy to their own operations."

The opinions I expressed in my E-Media Tidbits items, and in this ensuing discussion thread, are entirely my own and do not reflect the thinking of Poynter or its staff.

"We are all doomed anyway..."
11/12/2002 12:19:29 PM
Posted By: Robert Spears

Steve Outing wrote:
>Some TV execs have suggested that when TiVo/Replay owners skip commercials, >they're stealing. That's dinosaur thinking -- because they can't get past the notion that
>in the future the consumer is in control of the signal.

I think the concept of free content with complete consumer control will most likely become extinct. Consumers are going to have to learn to adapt with their wallets, or get use to watching feature-length commercials. It is not apparent to me how one can have it both ways, because for many consumers “complete control” means advertising is bypassed. “Consumers" are just going to have to stop thinking that the world owes them 24/7 access to free quality content and realize that they are hastening the death of the goose that laid the free-ride.

Of course, Tivo and SonicBlue could try to build sustainable partnerships with the content producers that they are economically endangering. This is typical how destructive technology with no regard or respect for established economic systems is automatically viewed as innovative. How long will it be until digital content becomes ubiquitous like air? Oh, yeah, that will be a GREAT industry to be in. Spend a few million dollars on quality content and immediately surrender it to the collective consciousness of digital “consumers” with miniscule compensation (e.g. charity donations). Producers are already being pirated before their official releases reach the market.

It will be interesting to watch when Poynter starts to apply this “adapt or die” strategy to their own operations. When will they realize that a group of smart high-school students could effectively maintain their blogs at no cost? Teenagers are more in tune with digital technology and its applications. They might even bring fresh perspectives and have a more accurate view of the future. Poynter needs to stop thinking like dinosaurs, and realize that with the Internet, no one has an information-based advantage. So why not give a younger, cheaper, hungrier workforce a chance??? But what about the valuable real-world experience of the existing contributors? It’s all documented and freely available on the Internet for all to benefit. The interesting issue would be how long would it take until the teenagers were replaced with intelligent software programs (the fourth generation of Google News-type applications).

> It's coming. Adapt or die.

This warning can be applied to any knowledge-based profession. We all work in an information-based economy, where information is increasingly becoming a disrespected commodity, with the assistance of ever cheap and powerful technology.



They're just getting the hang of "digital'
11/11/2002 6:00:35 PM
Posted By: Rob R.

My friend and I had this same conversation on Saturday. He's an early adaptor who purchased TiVo a while ago; I'm going to see how it develops. We decided that the majority of people in the U.S. are just beginning to get comfortable with DVDs. This is new to millions, and they're plunking down $150 - $200 bucks on a player and $15 a pop for software. They're not ready to shell out for another new device. They love the concept of digital. TiVo's features are hugely appealing, and as long as the price point comes down and the value goes up, we'll see better penetration during 2003 and especially 2004.

Adoption Rates
11/11/2002 1:31:49 PM
Posted By: Rohn Miller

Tivo adoption (FYI-I'm a devoted owner of one) will be slow I think for the same reasons PPV movies aren't a big seller for cable systems. Cable companies have found that if you can get people to try a PPV movie, they like the service and will use it often. But it's very hard to get them to try it. There are all sorts of reasons, mostly having to do with the widespread use of VCRs as the primary alternative to broadcast channels. (Just think of how many of us don't use PPV in the home, but almost always use PPV when we're staying at a hotel out of town.)

Tivo is a disk medium, VCRs are a tape medium. Without an industry migration (as occured when music went from being sold on tape cassettes to being sold on CDs ) there won't be a migration. But cable systems are losing 2 million customers a year to satillite dishes, which gives them a lot of incentive to find ways to improve services. So it may be left to Time Warner and Cablevision (who very shortly will be the only two cable companies left) and the satellite companies to make the transition by building personal digital recorders into our cable and satellite boxes as part of their one up-manship.

Blockbuster and network television companies will have to migrate to other revenue models over the decades, but they're perfectly capable of doing that.

(And furthermore: TiVo is vastly superior--even with the additional costs--to VCRs, for all the reasons cited here. It's better the same way CDs are better than cassette tapes)

Ads, $$$ and Your Children
11/11/2002 1:22:35 PM
Posted By: Dorian

Our children will be advertised to. On TV or not. With TiVO or not. Advertisers are adjusting (in all the ways we've read about). And here's a posit: Perhaps children who don't see ads are not building up the "antibodies" they would were they watching ads -- with parental guidance . When ads do hit their eyes and ears (at the mall, a friend's house, computer screen, etc...) they may be more susceptible. My 6-year-old has already, with just a little encouragement, learned to view ads with the appropriate skepticism.

On the cost: I agree with Larry. Were $600/year pocket change, we'd have TiVO at home, though we already use the VCR as a virtual TiVO, ffwarding through commercials and time-shifting. For now I'd rather spend the $$$ on a vacation, say, to visit far-flung family.

One other thing
11/11/2002 1:10:37 PM
Posted By: Steve Outing

Let me also add (to note below this): No, I do not feel guilty about skipping commercials. My monthly cable bill is $50 (basic plus HBO), so I (and I'd guess most paying cable subscribers) feel justified in watching the signal as I please, on my own schedule, and sans commercials if I wish. Some TV execs have suggested that when TiVo/Replay owners skip commercials, they're stealing. That's dinosaur thinking -- because they can't get past the notion that in the future the consumer is in control of the signal. I just hope the TV industry focuses its energies on figuring out how to make advertising work in this new digital environment, instead of mimicking the dumb approach of the music industry and fighting rather than innovating.

"Commercial!"
11/11/2002 1:03:46 PM
Posted By: Steve Outing

This conversation is really interesting to me. Thanks for the feedback. Just wanted to pass along an anecdote about what life is like in my household with TiVo. My 10-year-old just automatically skips commercials as she watches her programs -- we've got her trained. As a parent, I'm THRILLED that my kids aren't subjected to the garbage that advertising implants in their minds. Advertising as content? Maybe for some, but I don't want my kids subjected to the messages that Madison Avenue wishes to implant in their psyches.

My 5-year-old isn't yet comfortable with the TiVo remote, so when she's watching one of her programs and a commercial comes on, she yells "COMMERCIAL" so someone will come fast-forward for her. 8^)

Will this kill commercial TV if our family becomes the common model? On stuff like this, I always believe that old industries have to adapt; there's no putting this genie back in the bottle. When TiVo or ReplayTV code is in most every set-top box and TV, then commercial TV will have to change. It's coming. Adapt or die.

Why
11/11/2002 9:40:50 AM
Posted By: Larry

I asked several friends this question recently and this is what I got:

1. I'm not paying $600 for a VCR.
2. I'm not paying $10 a month to run a VCR.
3. I'm not running a special phone line to my TV for a VCR.

TIVO, alas, will lead to worse advertising
11/10/2002 5:51:27 PM
Posted By: Christopher Ryan

Pausing live TV and faster recording than a VCR are nice -- but not worth that much money to me.

The real problem I see with this is that it may force TV stations to move away from 30-second commercials to putting even more of those obnoxious graphics on top of the programs. Am I the only one who HATES seeing commercials scrolling along the bottom of the screen during the show?

Hold on there, buckaroo . . .
11/9/2002 7:53:31 AM
Posted By: Dave Bullard

There are two main reasons to buy a DVR:

1. Avoid commercials
2. Time shift

A VCR accomplishes #2, for a fraction of the price of a DVR. And studies show that -- and I'm surprised that you've forgotten this one, Steve -- consuners perceive commercials to be content, too.

Funniest thing I've seen this week wasn't "Everybody Loves Raymond" or "Monk". It was the Visa commercial shown on "The West Wing", with Charlie Sheen and his "older self". And who watches the Super Bowl for the (usually lousy) game?

Commercials give viewers a sense of the commercial culture of America in the same way that the programs they're carried in give viewers a sense of the nation's popular culture. It's information, misinformation, and malinformation, all jumbled into one, but you can't argue that it's powerful.

A DVR is a costly luxury, and a case of paying more for content that the consumer perceives the content to be worth. Adoption will be sloooooow.

And let's assume that Steve is right: That everyone with the disposable cash to do so runs out today and buys a DVR and service, and that the networks react by making their content subscription-only to cope with the loss of advertising revenue. The poorest among us have just lost their first, last and best source of affordable entertainment. The digital divide widens. The implication of technology adoption before costs hit their lowest possible point is that the people who could most benefit from it are least able to use it.

Sliced bread is only useful if you can afford the toaster.

Dave Bullard
Fulton & Oswego Daily News.com

And another thing...
11/8/2002 10:15:31 PM
Posted By: Robert Spears

I agree with all of the previous three posts. And does anyone know what the future will hold for DVR’s? Specifically, how will DVR’s NOT destroy the advertising business model for TV (if, of course, a vast majority of consumers adopt this method of viewing)???

In Michael Lewis’ book “Next”, he states that early research showed that ~80% of ads are skipped with these types of devices. The remaining 20% tended to be viewed by lazy viewers.



Real reasons
11/8/2002 6:43:45 PM
Posted By: Rick Brown


Calling people Luddites is amusing, but doesn't help analyze the real business/consumer issues. To me, the serious answers are common ones that have nothing to do with consumer fear of new technology. Consumers are not familiar with the product, or if they are, deem it an unnecessary luxury, inconvenient to acquire, and/or priced too high. To be more successful, the product has to be marketed better and be or be seen as a better value.

It's possible many people won't sign on board for this technology until TIVO or a similar service is integrated into their current cable or satellite systems. It's been observed before in this forum that TIVO may be only an interim step toward a higher level of on-demand services. Consumers may see TIVO as the Betamax or Laser Disc of services to come. That's not really Luddite behavior, but rather cautious consumerism.




PVR is just a fancy VCR
11/8/2002 1:30:04 PM
Posted By: Michael Puterbaugh


... or at least that's how I'd imagine the average layperson sees it. I already have a box connected to my TV that allows me to record a program and view it at a different time than its original air time... what good is another one going to do me?

The real advantages of digital PVR are the directory services. With the introduction of digital cable, "57 channels and nothing on" has mushroomed to "257 channels and nothing on." Locating interesting content within the vast sea of channels is a daunting task, and one which PVR software generally does an admirable job of simplifying.



Price
11/8/2002 1:19:13 PM
Posted By: Living Wage Please

TIVO costs too much for many people still. So, until the price comes down, I will continue to tear my bread.

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