Want to comment on HuffPost? Just give Facebook your phone number first

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Grab your pitchforks and text art tanks: Huffington Post is doubling down on its anonymity crackdown.

The site’s new commenting system, explained by Tim McDonald, HuffPost’s director of community, requires users to have a Facebook account:

Here’s how to get started under this new system. When you log in to your account and go to make a comment, you will be prompted to link your commenting account to your verified Facebook account. Then, choose how you’d like your name to be displayed. You can either display your first and last names, or your first name and last initial. This is the only information that will be viewable to the community at large, and you will have control over your private information via Facebook’s privacy settings.

How do you get your Facebook account verified? You have to enter a confirmation code sent to you by Facebook via text message. So to comment on Huffington Post, you need to give Facebook your phone number, and you need to give HuffPost access to your Facebook account, which, Facebook says, must list your real name. Then, you can choose to post HuffPost comments under your full name or just your first name and last initial.

In August, Managing Editor Jimmy Soni announced the end of anonymous comments on the site and said: “The change will only affect users creating new accounts on HuffPost. Existing accounts will be grandfathered into the new system.” At the time, Soni was vague about how the site would internally verify new user accounts, but just a few months later all users are now subject to the Facebook requirement, causing no small amount of outrage in the comments.

When I surveyed the top 50 news sites in the U.S. in November, I found that all but seven sites permitted commenting via Facebook, but only three required a Facebook account to comment. The vast majority of sites employ simple commenting plugins allowing users to weigh in via whichever social network they choose.

McDonald indicated in the Huffington Post story’s comments and on Twitter that the site could allow users to link their HuffPost accounts to social networks besides Facebook in the future:

Google incited rage last month when it started requiring YouTube users to comment on videos via Google+.

Studies have shown anonymous comments are often less civil, but if you’ve ever moderated a major news site’s Facebook page, you know real names hardly preclude scum and villainy. So the question for HuffPost is: What level of added civility is worth isolating and angering your most loyal readers?

Related: Huffington Post will end anonymous comments | Despite complaints, comments broadly allowed on many news sites

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  • bladelores

    This is a good thing. Nobody should be getting news from a single paragraph story generator. Celebrate being free from the shackles of having to reply to a redneck and start reading news that is more than a couple of words!

  • Janniel

    As a HuffPost ‘super user’, I realize what HP is up against. People, who would like to actually exchange ideas, end up having to wade through a *lot* of ill-thought-out, OT, and ego-driven comments in order to find any serious (or happy) points of view.

    Still, I dislike being told, what I can and cannot think and express. I have had a few comments removed, or just recently, auto-deleted. None of my comments have been bigoted, or of the class of ‘I am rubber, you are glue’, nor have I used words that are insulting or obscene. Leaving me to wonder, why?…what did I say that was objectionable to one of the moderators?…and, who do they think they are anyway?

    IMO, if moderators have the power to arbitrarily remove my comments, they should also be required to inform me of the reason for their action. As it is, after the auto-delete that I experienced a few days ago, I am left feeling frustrated and puzzled, as well as looking for an alternative news aggregate..

    Signed,
    JannielB

  • disqus_KzdM6cGc6h

    I would love to start a class action lawsuit against Huff Post and how invasive they have become. They have banned me from making comments when I was standing up for certain things, etc. Taken away my right to Freedom of Speech. I hope FB dies and fades away and Huff Post along with it. There are many employers who do monitor FB and feel that they have a right to. No they do not. I refuse to be turned into some wimp, afraid to speak my mind. I know of one person, when being interviewed was asked to give out their password to FB! Had that been me, I would have gotten up and walked right out. We are slowly, but surely losing our rights and our freedom. Obama is making sure of it.

  • Winky Cat

    Yep, I recognized your avi too. I just wondered onto Epoch a few days ago and was happy to see so many familiar “faces”. No, I haven’t quit HP either, but I won’t hook my existing FB account to HP. I’m sure we’ll run into each other again somewhere!

  • Rogurak

    Hi Winky Cat! I haven’t spent much time on discus or epoch yet. But I
    agree it’s nice to see familiar people on other sites, and I do remember
    you and your avatar. I haven’t quit HP yet. Still considering, but I found
    I did miss seeing and talking to friends, even if not face to face. Many
    have distinct posting personalities and really do feel like friends
    sometimes. I do need to branch out more and spend time on other sites.

  • Winky Cat

    Hey Rogurak! My first time here and I have found a bunch of former HP friends/fans/familiar faces. I’ve been hanging out at ‘Epoch Times’, also with the “discus” format, with some more HP refugees. I’m kinda liking seeing other news/posting opportunities.

  • Winky Cat

    My feelings exactly! Really a heck of a nerve to expect HP users to throw their FB family and friends under the bus just so users can post on HP. I see it as HP encouraging people to open fake FB accounts, because no one in their right mind would use their existing account!

    A bunch of HP refugees are also over at Epoch Times, camped under the “11 Reasons not to use Facebook” article.

  • Winky Cat

    Hi Emmeaki! I do too! They also use this format @ Epoch Times where we have been hanging out.

  • artemis

    I HATE clicking on a link only to discover it’s a video.

  • artemis

    The 1st amendment means that the government can not punish you or restrict your right to free speech. It does not mean that will not be other repercussions. There have been some notable cases of (using the term loosely) celebrities being fired from media jobs because of something they said in a different venue. This recently includes journalist who posted a racist tweet about AIDS prior to boarding a plane to Africa and Duck Dynasty’s Richardson speaking of view on marriage that are anti gay and in support of girls being married in their teens, but goes back to Howard Cosell losing his football announcing job for racist comments.

    It’s not just the un-politically-correct who have to fear though. My company owner is a fervent Christian who gave a mini-sermon at our company party last month. I’m a pro-choice, liberal, feminist, atheist. I think my personal experience with abortion is relevant to articles and discussions on the topic, but I don’t see anything to gain by sharing that information with my boss.

  • artemis

    This is so frustrating. I am VERY careful with facebook. I don’t play any games. I don’t give permission to ANYONE to access my friends, phone number, etc. I also routinely decline to have my posts shared on FB. I have enjoyed lively discussions on HuffPo and will miss it, but unless they offer an alternative method for confirming identity I refuse to participate any longer. I have also shared personal stories that I don’t want to be made public. Yes, anonymity can draw trolls, but it can also allow people to be more open without risk of business associates for example learning more about one’s political views than you might want.

  • maternatura

    This isn’t true. I’ve had an account with Huffingtonpost.com for years. I haven’t been “grandfathered” in. They now require me to link to a Facebook account that I don’t have. I refuse to get Facebook. Huffingtonpost is ruined. Never could understand their rules for censorship. The censors seemed to make up the rules as they went along and deleted innocuous comments. How sad. HP used to be a great place, but no more.

  • MusicBizSurvivor

    “So the question for HuffPost is: What level of added civility is worth isolating and angering your most loyal readers?” Exactly so. I had to ask: Which is more important to me, keeping myself un-owned by Facebook (unlike HP!) OR being able to comment on HuffPost , where the publisher just wrote about the wonders of digital breaks! (What about us?) What about people who eschew (or hate) Facebook, for its intrusiveness, deceptiveness, and dedicated *opposition* to privacy? I was truly beginning to more and more appreciate HuffPost, but they now demand a membership card to the “100% owned by Facebook” club to participate in that community? Hardly a civil community any more, and a truly perverse rationale for promoting ‘civility’ by demanding nobody but Facebook groupies can participate. Sadly, Goodbye Huffpost. Enjoy your marriage to the identity thieves aka Facebook.

  • David Church

    “Why in the world would you DARE engage in a political discussion only to have your real identity known?”

    Assuming that you are American (the scenarios you listed suggest that you are American, just like most HuffPost and Poynter readers) why WOULDN’T you use your real name?

    Americans frequently cite the 1st Amendment as an example of America’s democratic superiority over other countries (especially those countries where US troops are fighting.)

    It’s ridiculously hypocritical to insist that the 1st Amendment gives you the right to make vile venomous hateful comments or blatently false statements , then complain that you can’t do it anonymously.

    You can’t have it both ways.

  • luuke

    Its been a month now….I don’t even go there anymore……The best part is that those article contributors who used have provocative topics for the want of reader comments are left in the lurch…….No one’s commenting on those articles anymore…….Zero comments…..Don’t take my word for it……You can see it yourselves…..I’m so lovin it……

  • luuke

    Please try Guardian. co .uk …….They even let you use swear words if its not directed to another person on their blogs……but I’m sure most of you’ll already know…..

  • Dan Crabtree

    banned by this liberal mecca called Huffington Post…”Oh well”.. did not agree with there totem pole of agreement or with there every story so now have been banned from this liberal sameness of no views but “our” views..Oh well only around five hundred or so othere blog sites so will move on..

  • republicanbalck

    I am sick of this too. I mean really? I understand civility, but making me accept lifestyles or stop calling someone fat is stupid. PPL are allowed to have opinions, even if its about something the person cannot help (like sex, race, nationality, height, family name (notice I didn’t say orientation)) I am so sick of how society makes everyone a winner when it not true. Where every opinion is respected. COME ON PPL some opinions are plain stupid in everyone’s book.

  • luvpolitics .

    The audacity to require a Facebook account to log in. I rarely read their articles because of this, and I will stop clicking them altogether. I want to voice my opinion without the world having access to my personal life. Stop censoring speech.

  • Glaciusx

    Ridiculous.

  • Eva Rinaldi

    Ah, my browser plugin that redirects all links to Huffpost to this page is still working. I was a Huffpost superuser before this disaster.

    I literally won’t even give them clicks from ad revenue, especially since they make it impossible to completely remove all your old comments when deleting your account.

  • Santiago Alemedia

    The cover story that HuffPo gives “To promote responsible dialogue” is bunk. The real reason is once again, marketing. Once they have your phone number, ad text will be filling up you mobile in box faster than you can say spam.

  • Lar5

    Goodbye to Huffington too. There is no way I will give my telephone number or any information to Facebook. You have to be insane to do so.

  • john649

    Totally and complete false. HP IS a liberal website that caters to that perspective but the moderators censor EVERYONE. If a conservative posts a comment that looks like a troll and is designed to create hate it will be deleted. If a liberal comment is filled with hate it is deleted as well. Naturally most comments share the same perspective otherwise they wouldn’t be there. HP seriously doesn’t need to convince its users of anything. Articles are designed to engage. Headlines are written to encourage clicks.
    From my experience Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big Ag, Monsanto, Koch Brothers anti-global warming groups as well as many liberals groups all post.

    In fact the moderators censor so much left-leaning users are frustrated and millions have left…..

  • xigan

    I can see why you would think that, but I assure you that left-leaning posts are censored just as arbirtrarily and without explanation or chance of appeal as right-leaning posts. If it seems that more left-leaning posts manage to get through, it’s simply because there are more, not because they’re treated any better.

  • mickeyone32

    Whether you are a “verified” commenter or not, if your comments are libertarian, conservative, anti-Obama, or anti-Democrat, HuffPo will censor them. HuffPo is a left-leaning “newspaper” whose express purpose is to promote its liberal agenda. Arianna Huffington did not establish HuffPo so that conservatives can publish comments, read by millions, that factually refute HuffPo’s liberal perspective and neutralize the persuasive power of HuffPo’s its articles. In fact HuffPo uses the Comments section as a method to convince the articles’ readers that the public largely agrees with the article’s perspective, an extremely clever version of the “Bandwagon Effect.” The public reads the article, and if not convinced by the article itself, will be persuaded by the comments following the article offered by dozens, perhaps hundreds, of “members of the public” asserting their agreement with the article’s content. Any dissenting opinion allowed in the comments section is routinely attacked by so many other commenters that the reader is further persuaded to accept the article’s ideological perspective. On HuffPo, the article content AND the comments are all part of the persuasion process. . HuffPo does not have to write these comments–there are commenters employed by a number of “progressive” organizations, many funded by wealthy and powerful individuals, that upload to the Comments sections boiler plate statements almost immediately after the article is published and throughout the life of the article. Such organizations occasionally reveal their progressive movement origins when they use phrases and labels such as Koch Brothers, teabagger, etc. that are tauntamount to a “tell”.

  • slash345

    Not me. I’ll go through the registration process. I’m not afraid to speak my mind.

    If huffpo or anyone else feels like they must take it upon themselves to punish me for my views then so be it. I stood my ground. And I’ll make my own way in life.

  • DuaneBidoux

    This has saddened me to no end. I am in a public job where I cannot discuss many things if it risks getting back to me. Is this fair? Do my opinions no longer count? I am done with Huffpo and in fact stumbled onto this thread trying to figure out how to delete my existing account.

  • Raymond Hietapakka

    No phone…no more comments. Zeig Heil.

  • http://www.dutchamsterdam.nl/ DutchAmsterdam

    Goodbye, HuffPost. You need me; I don’t need you.

  • bedfordfailed

    This was never about curbing flaming and trolls. It was about acquiring personal information. i simply deleted my account. Admittedly I looked at the site a few times since but really haven’t missed it much. I moved to disqus and much prefer this format anyway.

  • Rogurak

    I’m still angry and frustrated with HuffPost about this requrement to link to facebook. I can
    hardly believe they would be so disrespectful to posters, and had hoped that when enough
    people leave them, they would realize their bad decision. But several weeks have gone by
    (I have seen, to date, about 600 of my friends/fans leave), and there is no sign that they
    will return to the former format. I am about ready to leave as well. I have delayed that
    decision also because over the years, I have invested so much time and even energy
    into HuffPost, and don’t like facing the apparent fact that it has all been a waste.

  • M.A.

    I have to admit that I used to rather enjoy reading, fulminating over, and sounding-off (albeit politely) on HP despite it’s being (or maybe because it is?!) such a blatantly flame-baiting, content-stealing, yellow-journalism cyber rag more reminiscent of The News of the World or a left leaning New York Post rather than the more responsible and grown-up approach to journalism that the NY Times or NPR represents, and to which all this talk of ‘decorum’ and ‘civility’ would seem to so self importantly and self-righteously aspire!

    And then they go and hook up with Facebook, to my mind among the most creepily invasive and insidious social constructs ever conceived of — at least on a voluntary basis, if you’re seen ‘The Lives of Others’!

    So it’s “buh-bye!” for me too, HP. And what were you thinking, Arianna, selling your clever and fun, if somewhat irresponsible and manipulative brainchild to AOL of all people, with their proven track record of failure and bad ideas?!?!

  • Carabella1

    No way will I do this. Why should I be required to 1) use my Facebook account and worse, 2) provide my phone number, not to mention 3) provide access to HuffPo to my FB information.
    This is intrusive and unnecessary. Surely alternative methods of verification should be made available.

  • smurrayesq

    I think that Huffington Post has figured out a way to kill their own business model. I don’t like Facebook, so I can no longer comment on HP, although I have a long history of extremely civil comments.

  • RF_Dude

    Link to latest Hufugee Gathering Place

    This thread appears to be almost done. If you land here, please join us at:

    http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/408297-huffpost-new-comment-system-qa-with-tim-mcdonald-director-of-community/

    Several hundred of us ‘ Huffugees ‘ have landed there, and we will leave a trail of breadcrumbs to our next thread (that thread is already up to about 9000 comments, we’re gonna need a bigger ranch soon!)

    I will also leave links here to other Poynter stories as they come out.

    Finally, I’d like to thank Poynter and Mr. Sam Kirkland for publishing this important story, and I hope to see more soon as the HP experiment continues.

    Hope to see you soon!

  • Tina Marlin

    I have time on my hands today – I’ll check it out along with Epoch Times. Thanks

  • Tina Marlin

    I’ll be checking it out.

  • Tina Marlin

    HP always had awful moderation. Posts would often never be approved, or often deleted for no discernible reason. I don’t know if they were simply lazy or just a bunch of pimply faced kids who were spiteful.

    This way, they can blame someone else for comments and not their own moderation staff. However, after 20,000 comments from me and around 1,000 followers, I’m out of there. I simply don’t read their articles, thus I don’t feel stifled when I can’t post.

  • Tina Marlin

    You know, I don’t give my cell phone number to ANYONE. I sure wouldn’t give it to FB and by extension, to HP.

    I’ve noticed that fewer HP articles are featured on the ‘front page’ / big picture headline section of AOL. Maybe AOL realizes that intelligent people are jumping ship and leaving HP in droves. I changed my news source on the AOL home page to anything but HP.

  • kbg1

    I think the real motive is money. Data mining is profitable.

  • miserableoldfart

    It doesn’t work for me. I did the facebook thing, and huffpost will not connect my accounts. I am getting increasingly pissed.

  • dankyogurt

    Clearly, controlling the projected consensus is the real motive behind actions like these, shows once again to avoid MSM, and that HUFFPO is nothing better than CNN or MSNBC.

  • dankyogurt

    Just closed my huffpo account forever!

  • ChrisDC

    No, thank you. I’ve always been in love with books since my mother tricked me into demanding that she teach me how to read when I was 2. I think I read every book in the library at my little country high school and in our little parish library. When I got to Harvard and walked into Widener Library for the first time I, quite honestly, felt like the dog who’d caught the car. (It just sounded like you’re putting up with a lot of crap, so I thought you might appreciate a little boost.)

  • takawalk

    I notice this comment came from the first page those of us from HP gathered on. More people have going here.
    http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/408297-huffpost-new-comment-system-qa-with-tim-mcdonald-director-of-community/

  • Haight

    Thank you.

  • Haight

    I’m betting you have less now. The last time I looked about 6 days ago I had lost over 800 fans already. Now I can’t even login to see how many are gone. My lack of being able to login might have something to do with that rather testy message I sent them referencing their flat out lying to us.

  • Haight

    I noticed that before I even tried posting there and found out about the change. My computer corrupted and it took nearly a week to fix, when I got it back online the first place I went was HP. I noticed right away that threads that usually would have 5000 posts were running 200 to 500 posts and wondered what happened, then I tried to post and found out. Now I can’t even log in to delete my account.

  • ChrisDC

    You do know that librarians are the fundamental infrastructure of human civilization, right? Glad you’re there. Nothing that any of the rest of us do could possibly happen without you. (I just wanted to let you know that a lot of us know you’re not wasting your time.)

  • Haight

    It was more than disrespectful they flat out lied to us. That whole don’t worry when it happens you’ll be grandfathered in tap dance they did for a couple months was just blowing sunshine up our butts.

  • Haight

    I’m a library cataloger in a small very conservative town, and I have a name when searched with Google only comes up with one person in the country. I’m a pro-choice liberal, my boss is old school catholic, our board members are 70% Mormon. I wouldn’t last a day if they were to see what I posted on HuffPo, and given the ultra conservative area I live in, odds are I would never get a Library job again. It’s just not worth the risk. It’s not even worth the crap I’d have to put up with on holidays from my TeaParty family members.

  • Don Robinson

    You are exactly right. AJ mentioned a study that was done that showed that comments sections DO have an effect on what people think. They can’t allow anything or anyone to contradict their narrative.

  • erick vallely

    their traffic wont dry up. the idea is to only allow voices that are pre-approved by the ruling class elite, this includes shills, and there is never a shortage of them. just a couple of shills alone can flood an entire comment section with pro-establishment voices. most website comment sections and forums are made up of shills entirely anyway, even without phone number verifications to scare away “real voices”. i am pretty sure this was the way that the internet “founding fathers” (military industrial complex) intended the internet on being. it was never supposed to be a platform for “real voices” to be heard. the elite would never want that. it’s their voice or no voice.

  • godguilt_pseudophoric_syndrome

    Huge mistake, Huffpo. I welcome you all to ww w.ExHuffposeurs . com (J/K but a good idea nonetheless)

  • Chance Gardener

    I used to get Huffington Feed through Yahoo News. Anybody know if Poynter has an RSS there? Can’t find it.

  • Chance Gardener

    I wish you were right, but I’m afraid some people don’t see how monumentally intrusive facebook has become.

  • HelenNPN

    Like I said, simply simple minded, judgmental, stubborn and obnoxious.

  • Lindstr7

    An advertisement’s success cannot be measured by CTR alone, because an
    ad that is viewed but not clicked on may still have an impact.

  • abxnomore

    I’d prefer to see them go bankrupt. Even if they reversed their policy I would never go back to that site. I hope they sink fast.

  • abxnomore

    I closed my account. No way will I join FB to use that tabloid-rag. It’s decline has been long in the making.

  • disqus_FNroBdEq6r

    I’ve been commenting on HP since 2009. Enjoyed it early on, but let’s face it, it’s gone down hill.
    I won’t be going back.

  • TechYes

    What you failed to understand is that you and I are saying the same things and expressing exactly the same concerns. Employers, recruiters, HR departments, etc., routine monitor employees’ and applicants’ use of social media like FB, and people routinely face negative consequences for things which have nothing to do with work. HuffPo’s misguided policy of forcing users to link their FB pages – and ALL the info contained therein – to their HuffPo account and to use their real names exposes commenters to these kinds of employer abuses – as well as giving HuffPo access to lots of personal data they have no right or need to see. I don’t use FB or other social media for exactly these reasons, and I refused to be forced onto FB, whose business model and ethics I deplore, just to remain at HP. So, I left. And apparently did thousands of other users – I know, I’ve been running into them on lots of other sites.

  • Robert Poole

    This is PRECISELY what you wrote:

    “But since it’s not illegal for employers to monitor internet use of employees at work, nothing will change – with the possible exception of people whose opinions deviate from the company line (or the boss’s) will be targeted or fired.”

    How, pray tell, did I misinterpret what you wrote? You seem to be specifically concerned with the situation where a user is posting from work, where employers are entitled to monitor internet activity. My response was to point out that this is only a corner case, and employers have in the past fired employees for their activities outside the office, and will continue to do so regardless of the legality. I also pointed out that sites such as HuffPo requiring Facebook “verification” and tying users’ real-life identities to their HuffPo account will make it even easier for employers to engage in such illegal firings without much fear of reprisal.

    Your response to Jayson Teeman is kind of a non-sequitur. In theory, companies can monitor internet traffic of their employees. In practice, they’re not going to spend the resources decrypting traffic (you’re browsing with https whenever the site supports it, right?) and capturing packets unless they have a reasonable suspicion that someone is up to no good. Even then, they’re more concerned with threats to their bottom line (e.g., company secrets being divulged) than some employee engaging in political discussion. Typically it’s only privately held companies run by control freaks that go after employees for political expression.

    Either way, if a company wants to clean house and be rid of those deemed undesirable, they don’t need to concern themselves with what happens on-site versus off-site, so company monitoring of internet use is kind of a non-issue. (You seem to be aware that legally, a company only has the right to monitor your internet use on-site.) Stating that corporate internet monitoring of staff is even a factor in this discussion is risible. People are vulnerable everywhere if real names are tied to comments on news stories, discussion boards, etc.

    So yes, I am pretty sure I understood what you _wrote_, but if you meant something different I would recommend making a more cogent argument using more than 1 sentence to do so.

  • TechYes

    Pretty sure you misunderstood what I wrote.

  • Robert Poole

    @TechYes The thing is, we’re not just talking about employees who post controversial comments, etc., on news sites while they’re at work, though it’s interesting that you jumped to that conclusion. Indeed, by sites linking to Facebook accounts, it’s trivial to retaliate against someone for making a comment you don’t agree with regardless of whether they are at work or not when they make the comment.

    If you think that employers don’t fire employees for things they do outside the workplace, think again. Most people can’t afford to fight such dismissals in court, even though it’s generally illegal for employers to stick their noses into your affairs outside the office (private or not). Let’s not make such abuses even easier.

  • http://jackholesrealm.wordpress.com/ RF_Dude

    Jack is trying to get the word out about the HP story. You are part of that story – it needs to be told, and you are the one to tell it in your own words.

    http://jackholesrealm.wordpress.com/aolanas-war-on-anonymity/

    Please write your submittal as if you yourself were going to send a Letter to the Editor. His discussion thread is on the home page, click to the topmost story, comments load at the bottom of the thread (you will need to refresh to see new comments as they post there – it’s a
    Wordpress thing…)

    Submittals to the AOLana page will be collated and sent out to various news agencies on Friday morning (Dec 20)

    Your views and thoughts are appreciated.

    Let’s get the word out – in your own words!!!

  • The_Purple_Finger

    That’s right. Ariannaaaaah’s management is all about CORPORATIONS and MONEY, yet the gospel they preach is quite the opposite.

    It’s typical hypocrat behavior.

  • The_Purple_Finger

    I have and DO post on them and none of the sites on the right filter the way Huffpoo does. You can’t even type the name “George Soros”, without any further comment, without it being filtered on Huffpoo.

    And to the extent Palin’s site has to filter is because of the left’s misogynist, hateful, terrorist attacks against her that need to kept in check.

    I find, Helen, that after 20 years, (yep you read that correctly – 20 starting from AOL’s Community Center @ ’94) that people who claim to be “in the middle” and “both sides do it” almost always vote for Democrats and the horrific policies that they put in place.

    My experience tells me you are one in the same.

  • The_Purple_Finger

    “We” elected? Sorry, I didn’t vote for that disaster. And as I stated, you are Democrat voters, and you’re trying to support the left, by claiming you (and/or other posters I cited) are in the middle.

    So now you Democrats are blaming Obamcare™ as a construct of Mitt Romney and Heritage!? You’re high on crack! That was an isolated state case which bears zero resemblance to the federal wide Train Wreck Care that is now infamously known as Obamacare™.

    It’s YOUR Democrat party’s plan with thousands of unread pages rammed through in the dead of night that have absolutely ZERO to do with Romney or Heritage. Zero.

    Obamacare is a DEMOCRAT CONSTRUCT. PERIOD. OWN IT!

    The mess I speak of was created by BigGubMint Socialist Democrat mindset, plugged in by BigGubMint Socialist DemocrT mindset and instituted by BigGubMint Socialist DEMOCRAT mindset.

    Period!

    It exemplifies nicely to America and the world what a train wreck disaster your party truly is.

    And corporations have nothing to do with it. You have zero problem with Google paying zero taxes and GE paying zero taxes because they fit your socialist, redistribution contribution scheme when they donate to Barack Obama, yet you roll out that tired call of “Kerpayshunzzzz man, are destroying us….”

    It’s tired and it’s not true. Maybe you’ll be happiest when they ALL leave and take their jobs over seas?

    The “right” didn’t create this, and nearly every single member voted against, except one or two, who are now gone.

  • Amskeptical

    But hey, when Bush demanded no casket photographs during the entire Iraq War, when he demanded that all war news articles come through the military briefing tunnel, when the entire run-up to the Iraq War was a closed loop of unnamed sources, hey, don’t let facts get in the way . . .

  • Amskeptical

    It is NOT about intimidating people, please. It IS about a marketing agreement with Facebook, otherwise known as a “sell-out”.

  • Amskeptical

    You are blinded and dumbfounded by your allegiances. HelenNPN makes an extremely valid point. The ObamaCare Trainwreck is a Heritage Foundation/Mitt Romney architecture that is the “compromise” from what we elected Obama on, Single Payer, the clearly more efficient health care delivery vehicle enjoyed by the VA and MediCare community. The mess you speak of is not because it is “socialist”, but because it is a cobbled peon to corporate plutocrats who feel they deserve to get rich off our suffering.

  • LavaFalls

    LOL
    Really?

    Try ANY of them, from redstate to breibart.
    Why do you think HP became so big?
    It allowed rightwingers to post right along with progressives.

  • HelenNPN

    Don’t assume so much, it is obnoxious but more importantly it limits your critical thinking. Also, there are copious right wing sites that absolutely limit any speech that isnt party line. Conservatives For Palin for example. There are others but its a boring topic. For you to be so confident that only left wing sites engage in this behavior is just a simple minded point of view.

  • Aaron_Burr

    I noticed today that almost half their “named” bloggers didn’t have a single comment on their current postings. It’s a wasteland. They’ll either do an abrupt about face or be relegated to the dustbin of the blogosphere.

  • Aaron_Burr

    The combination of the ridiculous recent changes to the HuffPo commenting system – the absurd “conversations” system – combined with this absurd change will guarantee a huge exodus of posters, leaving just toadies, Kool aid drinkers and psychophants. Hook to facebook to make a blog post? Puleeeze. I don’t use facebook EVER and I’m hardly likely to sign up to keep posting on some blog site. Been a HuffPo member since 2006 with over 1,000 posts but they can count me out. Who want’s their zomboids looking you up on facebook and showing up on your front yard or leaving crap on your phone answering machine?

    A quick look today shows massively fewer comments – a lot of their bloggers don’t have a single comment. I expect traffic will be down 70-80% within 30 days. Since their advertising is mostly CPM, the drop in traffic will also result in a massive drop in advertising revenue. Expect a policy reversal or a bankruptcy. Frankly, at this point I don’t care either way.

  • The_Purple_Finger

    Said the Democrat voter. I’m sorry, but there ARE very profound differences between the left and the right. Take the Obamacare™ Train Wreck, for example, there are few to no politicians on the right who would have created and instituted such a socialist mess.

    And what “Right Wing” site, censors as much as Huffpo does?

  • HelenNPN

    We’ve all seen it happen on both sides. Give the left/right thing a rest. It is just one more way the overlords divide us.

  • HelenNPN

    I agree, the page loading was often a molasses nightmare.

  • HelenNPN

    I see this as just one more negative associated with Facebook. When droves of people refuse to engage in habitual behavior – ie commenting on articles daily while browsing through Huff Po – for the sole reason that Facebook is a requirement to do so…lol that speaks really really poorly on the Facebook brand.

    Whenever an advertiser offers a deal, competition or etc that has to be done through Facebook, I usually take a few seconds, reply to them and tell them that as long as Facebook is the only way to participate I will look at their brand negatively. Then I ask them to rethink their marketing and offer their goodies on a website or in some alternative way in addition to or instead of Facebook. I have already seen success with this and consider it an easy to do small activism against Facebook. I encourage others to follow suit.

    Same with Huff Po, though I didn’t bother writing them because anything written to them goes into the Huff BlackHole. I don’t honest miss commenting there at all, their tabloid stories have long ago relegated the pixel rag to irrelevance. It was just habit and Facebook was the bottoming out that pushed me to quit.

  • Trapped In Paradise

    I tried to comment today and have to log onto Facebook. Guess Huffpost can wave goodbye to me. I am not a nasty poster but I do not want my real name out there. Time to find a new source for news, which is too bad because for the most part I found the comments on Huffpost to be balanced.

  • FactChecker3

    I have never intentionally posted an offensive comment on HuffPost. But I will never link political / economic comments to my Facebook account. Goodby HuffPost.

  • Darkchylde

    I wouldn’t exactly call HuffPo management ‘the left.’ Look at Arianna’s history if you don’t believe me.

  • ThomasNeidhart

    hello Huffington deserters! I had over 1000 followers and 1000 friends on there, but no more! hundreds are gone, and I don’t want to sign up with FB. so goodbye HP. So, is this site a breaking news/special interest website that we can replace HP with? lol

  • Sharyn G.

    Any reporter there? Please note the hypocrisy here with regard to Tim McDonald-

    Seriously?

    TIMMY SAYS HE’S FOR THE UNDERDOGS ??? He answered my tweet last night again-

    I had replied:

    @tamcdonald Latest book is David & Goliath. Explores the relationship between giant competitors & underdogs. Power to the underdogs. Woof.
    4:11pm – 17 Dec 13

    Tim said:
    @sharynthomaguay We both agree in fighting for the underdogs.
    about 5 hours ago

    Sharyn said:

    @tamcdonald Yet at Huffpo you lied about grandfathering & underdogs r upset, all u say is “times change” and that u expect outcry. Classy.
    10:54pm – 17 Dec 13

  • Sharyn G.

    That happened to me. People I didn’t even like anymore. It was embarrassing and I was mad.

  • Jeff5o

    I consider this to be an invasion of my privacy. I am not giving up any of my anonymity to those lunatics.

  • http://www.PunditMaximus.com/ FranklinN

    Commenting on HuffPost is no longer worth the trouble. Just because their staff relies on Facebook and worships the spread of technology and new media, they’re trying to shape their readers in their own image. I never liked Facebook (TMI) and I’ll find a way to bypass HuffPost.

  • The_Purple_Finger

    Hilarious! Censorship and propaganda is the vehicle by which the left has survived the last 25 years.

  • The_Purple_Finger

    Erick, I agree whole heartedly. I have been banned for posting polite and extremely “safe” comments.

    I once did an experiment, where I logged in with another account, and for six months solid I posted hateful, inciting, and baiting comments against all things right of center.

    Six months, and zero problem. THEN, I then began to slowly and safely post against things left of center, I was banned within 18 days.

  • The_Purple_Finger

    The left must at all cost censor comment that is unflattering. Without the constant propaganda from their buddies in the broadcast, print and online media, America, faced with the stark reality of the results of their policies, which can be seen from Detroit, to Democrat Underground, would recoil quickly in horror and shun the party and cultists forever.

  • NJHuguenot

    I signed on with Fecesbook on the urging of my sister. 20 minutes later I canceled it. I had received over 100 emails from people I’d emailed over the years that I had no contact with anymore. What an obnoxious invasion of property! It had gone in and copied my address book.

  • http://jackholesrealm.wordpress.com/ RF_Dude

    Many of the HP expat community have landed here and there is a lot of activity at Epoch Times as well: http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/401062-huffpost-sees-mass-exodus-users-reject-new-comment-system/

    Supporting both Poynter and Epoch Times for carrying these stories – let us hope they publish more as the story develops.

  • NJHuguenot

    There are few places that use this format. It’s clean thanks to the scarcity of advertising. MY major complaint with what AOL turned into would be the linkup with HP. The volume of ads slows down page loading. Plus, must we always have a video? I can read. PLus HP is sloppy. Tonight there were three stories with improper linking taking you to the story on Microsoft not picking a CEO.. The bias of their writers is evident. There aren’t Conservatives but virulent ones. I’ve been with AOL since its inception. I’ve always been a paying customer but today I changed to a free account. I’m making a list of advertisers that I will not buy from as well and making a manual list of my bookmarks so I can go elsewhere.

  • tpartynitwit

    Not long ago they apparently let a Limbaugh fanboy moderate anything about El Flushbo, and anything harshly critical of the diddler didn’t go to moderation, it was deleted the second you clicked “post.” It could not have been a keyword problem given what they were deleting and the way in which the critiques were composed. The second they required Farcebook, I bailed. May those data mining scum crash and burn.

  • http://silverfang77.tumblr.com/ Silver Fang

    At least we don’t have to comment with our Facebook identities. You can choose which to use in your account settings.

  • Lindstr7
  • Peter Combs

    Huffington Post is making a BIG mistake, watch the traffic drop during the next stats count.

    I’ve had an account there for YEARS and YEARS….I use my real name, an email account tied to my own website. I do have a G-Plus account with over 14,000 followers, a blog that got hit 210,000 times last year and another one that was read 110,000.

    If thats not enough screw HP….

    I do not trust: FB or Zuckerberg PERIOD…and now HP as well.

  • Lindstr7
  • http://KCNA.CO.JP/ ERICK VALLELY

    There are ways to get fake phone numbers for verification(I looked it up out of curiosity) but you have to find a number that wasn’t already used, but it’s not worth all that trouble considering Huffpo will still delete comments and ban accounts on a whim. What I do now is if an article is on Huffpo, I search for the article on other site and read it there and leave my opinion.

  • http://KCNA.CO.JP/ ERICK VALLELY

    As a private company it’s their right, but I find their reasoning ridiculous. They cite “trolls”, but considering how hard it is to get a comment through moderation to begin with I know that reason is a lie and it’s also ironic considering most of the Huffington post headlines are written in a way to incite people…anyway It’s obvious it’s about intimidating people who views they don’t agree with.

  • Plainer

    I spent the better part of two days with the live help on AOL because of what I thought was a glitch with the comment section at Huffington Post. Now I realize the reason why. No thanks to FB. HP didn’t even have the courtesey to tell subscribers what was going on as those “grandfathered” couldn’t even get access to FB’s verification protocol. What is more irritating is that HP didn’t notify their AOL’s live help personnel about this change when they kept fishing for reasons why it didn’t work for two days.

  • Chip Johnson

    I have no issues with my identity being known, kinda. BUT, I will not allow myself to be connected to the largest biometrics database in the world. Every time you, or anyone else ups a picture, it gets scanned, if your matching identity is found, your “tagged”, right? ya, so are your eyes, nose, hair, scars, tattoos, etc, and all sucked up into the database. Then Zuck is free to do as he wants with it. Did he tell you he “loans” that database out to the law if they ask nice. Notice I did not say “show him a warrant”, no, just, ask. And all this can be behind your back, as it where, with people “tagging” you in others photos. Real neat stuff.

    This is why I will never get a Facebook account, my own privacy!

  • ChrisDC

    Actually, that’s not true. I can’t log in to my account, but I still show up on people’s fans and friends lists. I confirmed that again last night. (I limit my “hits” to one per day, just because I’m having fun watching all the comments drying up. But, they’re still listing me as active, even though I deleted my account.)

  • Sharyn G.

    Oh we all agree. Worst yet is when you look under apps to see what Huff was taking from the FB account and its time logged on, likes, posts, friends, etc. we all know its a huge nasty lie yet they still think were going to just blindly say okay. Treating commenters like sheep is a bad idea. Its the commenters who usually rip a story apart to find the truth. They messed with the wrong bunch.

  • TrudyTruthTeller

    No, I’ve been reading some of the comments by people who did give in and register their facebook accounts. Their fan counts drop daily. Once you delete your account, you disappear as a fan or friend.

    I think the real key isn’t necessarily delete your account, but not going to the site and clicking on the articles anymore. If people continue to read Huff Post, then they won’t lose advertisers.

  • TrudyTruthTeller

    It’s funny, I’m always this close to closing my Facebook account because they keep changing the privacy settings. I only have an account there to keep up with my family which is scatter across the country. I don’t want employers reading my personal stuff, and I don’t acquaintances reading my stuff. I almost never post there. But now I’m supposed to give them my cell number?

  • TrudyTruthTeller

    There is no way that forcing people to link to Facebook is about civility. Maybe it’s just money, or the black helicopter crowd has it right.

    If they wanted to link us to Facebook to find us, okay, but why does our Facebook name have to appear on the website? I’ve seen plenty of Facebook and AOL discussions with people showing their real names and they still manage to get very nasty and show the world their stupidity.

    Also, why does Facebook need my cell number? What’s that about?

  • David Hingston

    “Well met at Philippi!” says YauxeyB

  • dvncmdy

    when people stop complying to their Notsi like rules perhaps then they will learn

  • aquarius2

    HP continues to demand “verification” through Facebook yet they continue to write negative stories about them. The most recent and most revealing is an article on how Facebook will be rolling out ads to it’s customers. I cannot understand why ANYONE would still be using the comment section at HP

  • JC Court

    Thanks for your post Mr Kirkland, now we know what happened.

    This morning I was asked to sign in to my account at the Huffington post using Facebook, I don’t do Facebook and a quick search on the problem brought me here.

  • Melting Granite

    HuffPost’s comments section will become a barren wasteland, like virtually every other site that starts to require Facebook to post comments.

    Sure, it eliminates some of the useless, banal, and insulting posts, but at the cost of eliminating a great percentage of its total posts!

  • malcolmkyle

    Posted yesterday on an an article by Radley Balko

    “I must say I’m surprised, and appalled, that I am the first commenter on this article when it’s been up since Friday. No one else has anything to say about it?” —Gail W

    I replied, explaining the site’s new commenting system, as outlined here. I fear my words will never be posted.

  • clambroth

    Really enjoyed Huff Post for 3 years prior to being dumped. Posted thousands of comments and enjoyed the lively conversations. Then on December 10th they changed direction and ungrandfathered the grandfathered users. I miss the site but will NEVER be forced to link facebook to ANYTHING I do. I’m considering a fake facebook account but Huff Post from the look of things isn’t worth the effort any longer. Just a bunch of smiley faces

  • Lars

    I just logged on to Huff Post a while ago and was astounded to find out that I have to join Facebook to “verify” my account. Huff Post has been drifting to a celebrity-based tabloid for some time. This latest move will drastically reduce the level of commentary on the various articles. It had a lot of promise; what a shame.

  • PaulaWB

    Just came back from Huff Post and I’m not going back. AOL is my home page but not for long. I only have Facebook for family and friends. I consider it a necessary evil in that way because I find sites like Facebook and Google sites intrusive and always pushing the boundaries of privacy. I have always looked at the internet as the Wild Wild West. Never take anything you read at face value and don’t trust strangers. Sorry Huff Post. You’re not my family or close friend.

  • Tracy Whittle

    Hi all, I cancelled my HP account and here I am. I also took the advise of some posters and signed up for Disqus. Huffington Post will find out (the hard way I’m afraid) that they have just ruined what made them a great site to post on. I was a moderator and had been on HP for 5 years but they didn’t care and pushed us out.

  • annebeth66

    Why in the world must I be “required” to have Facebook to comment on HuffPo which I belonged to before I had a Facebook account. I will no longer be reading HuffPo, since I disagree with their George Orwell “1984″ tactics.

  • Boy Bib

    hey RF

  • Boy Bib

    hey cg

  • http://jackholesrealm.wordpress.com/ RF_Dude

    Welcome, Orsay! There are a lot of Huffugees over on Epoch Times, too – either of these sites are light-years ahead of the Old Place.

  • orsay

    You couldn’t be more…CORRECT!!

  • orsay

    So.. That’s the end of my commenting on HuffP.. ENOUGH is ENOUGH! And I was a super user…Done. These site don’t care about what you post, it all about making money off you by getting your internet cookies.

  • Classical_Gas

    Yes, she did. Facebook’s going to get a deal when they buy it out. Hey, Boy!

  • http://jackholesrealm.wordpress.com/ RF_Dude

    BIB!!

  • Boy Bib

    AOL took a 300 million dollar property and made it worth three equal payments of $19.95. I won’t go back on HP

  • http://jackholesrealm.wordpress.com/ RF_Dude

    Another ’08er!! Welcome, and happy Freedom from HP to you!

    I dumped my account that night, having been at HP for over 5 years, 3500+ fans, over 20,000 comments. Don’t regret it one single bit!

    I was down about 250 fans when I left, I believe they do not update the counter on my old posts there as other friends who are mute are still reporting daily drops.

    Whatever – our time at the Poo gave us each other, now we head out to other places and pick up where HP left us a couple of years ago when they started the irrational moderation, the fluff-stories to generate clicks, and this latest unacceptable turn of events.

  • SG

    I’ve noticed that, too. There are not near as many comments on the site that usual.

  • SG

    I deleted my profile today after I tried to comment and found out I needed to link to Facebook I’ve been there since 2008. I have a Facebook account, but that is none of Huffington Post’s business. I don’t understand what they are trying to prove by forcing this action, but they are losing a lot of us.

  • dvncmdy

    Thanks for sharing

  • RF_Dude

    Friendly reminder – when the trolls start showing up (and they will…), please try to refrain from responding or downvoting. Just click the ‘flag’ that appears in the upper-right corner of the comment (you have to roll over it to make it appear – it’s there but normally hidden)

    Let the mods take care of any vicious comments – you’re free from the HP mania of trollery here, and once we’re all settled in new homes I am hoping that we can have free and open debate and not the seriously deranged insult-exchanges that assaulted our sensibilities at The Poo for such a long time.

    Old habits are hard to kick, but this is a healthy one to kick!

    Flag and roll – words for today!

    R.F.

  • DoTheMath55

    Forcing people to connect HuffPo accounts to Facebook accounts is bad for business and worse for security. I don’t want to sound like a conspiracy nut, but given how ill suited the new requirement is for achieving its stated purpose, I can’t help wondering what its real objective might be:
    Stifling a progressive support group and forum?
    Increasing the value of Facebook stock?

  • Sharyn G.

    And when I want gossip ill go to Us Weekly. They use disqus too :)

  • HessenBalkan

    I did exactly the same :-)

  • HessenBalkan

    Can only agree with what you are saying about HP. I’ve looked at some of the articles in HP and really not many comments anymore. I also checked out the new german HP and there are even less comments. I can not imagine many people going to connect with their FB accounts. And about the $315 million, I guess everyone has their price and this is Ariannas.

  • HessenBalkan

    I very much agree with that…. I started to be irritated by all the crap articles on right side of screen.

  • HessenBalkan

    I think they got worse over the last year, I remember them be good, different then regular news but now from what I can see it’s the same stuff as in every other mainstream paper. I deleted my account too…..kind of sad…

  • HessenBalkan

    lol

  • ilRagno

    No more comments allowed on the “Turning the page of the Anonymity: the future of the HuffPost comments” Tim McDonald post.
    And now, place to : “Turning the page of the comments : the future anonymity of the HuffPost”.
    R.I.P.

  • t1oracle

    Not that I disagree, but how come I’ve yet so see anyone get fired for posting blatantly racist crap on FB? Maybe I need to start looking up employers to complain too…

    Thanks :-)

  • dvncmdy

    Good for you!

  • imusintheevening

    yup!

  • david95

    I deleted my huffington account and it’s link. I delete every account that “requires” Facebook. All 100% of them.

  • dvncmdy

    I had no idea……so sorry

    :(

  • ilRagno

    it isn’t just the connection that make the community, Huff did partnership with the major Newspaper and hire the bests editor-in-chief that could reply the success story of Arianna Huffington (dem women for the most part), The French huff is linked with “Le Monde”, one of the most prestigious newspaper of Europe, the Italian one with “La Repubblica”, the newspaper that fought the most against Berlusconi, The Huff first page is always linked with the first page of these newspapers online edition… Is this business model that brings Huff Post to became what it is (or it was) in a very short time. And all of a suddden… bang ! Such a shame !

  • dvncmdy

    Well, that is just a real shame. I would venture to say many sites would welcome other countries to log on and be communal. This is after all the “World Wide Web”…..I hope good things will come from a very bad decision on HP’s part…and that we will still be able to connect with each other without any barriers my friend.

  • ilRagno

    thanks a lot for your warm welcome Dvncmdy, and for sure i will keep visiting the disqus sites that i find very ergonomic and interesting. The frustrating thing is that the interest of the local communities that the Huff had built, was that, in Italy for instance, we were able to discuss about local news, and in these hard times it was very important to share thoughts and debate with posters of different horizons and opinions than yours. Huff post Italy is now a ghost site, with few posts, often less interesting because the more talented posters are gone. I really hope that the Poynter and Epoch managers will decide to do an Italian version, there is lot of potential and needs, especially since Arianna Huffington did decide to kill her baby….

  • Trumbull Desi

    I think I fixed it, imus.

  • dvncmdy

    Old habits are hard to break…but I have found the transition to be easy and couldn’t wait to see how many more familiar writers I would see here and there….and there are A LOT!

  • HessenBalkan

    Thank you, I will check it out. I still have to remind myself not to go to HuffP in the morning….

  • dvncmdy

    We have all settled into new homes like this one….and Epoch Times http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/401062-huffpost-sees-mass-exodus-users-reject-new-comment-system/

  • HessenBalkan

    I did it too….it wasn’t easy because I enjoyed the comment section on HuffP….no way to give them my friends list from FB or my cell phone number.

  • Trumbull Desi

    Huh? I’m not sure I follow, imus.

  • imusintheevening

    I’d put you in my follow list if you didn’t that private thing on here.

  • imusintheevening

    agreed

    I will never visit their site again.

  • dvncmdy

    hahahaha……not surprised at all

  • dvncmdy

    Your English is fine. I would not go back to HP either. I have found new venues to vent and not feel as if I have to give up my privacy to do so. HP made a terrible decision….I’m afraid they will have to live with that. Will be more than happy to welcome you here though!

  • dvncmdy

    I agree…..I will NOT be going back either

  • earth_dweller

    with ya all the way on that — no facebook and no cell phone = HP d.e.a.d to me now.

  • earth_dweller

    sorry, I feel it’s best for me to move on now. I really don’t care what the corporate marketing scam known as Huffington Post does and no longer read over there, much less have any desire to comment. Others might feel differently …

  • ilRagno

    Hello everybody, this is a message for those who still wonna try to do something to force the HuffPost to get rid of their suicidal tendencies and stop the new verification process by FB. I’m a “suspended” Italian HuffPo user, for us is much more difficult to accept this mess because we still don’t have the choice that you have in US with new websites like Poynter or Epoch (hey guys, make your italian edition please!). I create a Forum in order to try to unify the negative energy that is growing in the French, US/UK and Italian Huff community and transform it in a positive strong action in order to force the Huff CEO to step back with their stupid innovation. I will be really glad and honored if you could take the time ti visit it and sign my petition, especially Fred ForrestGrump that i know how all this crap make him angry. Thanks and sorry for my crappy english. IlRagno.

    http://h-bomb-countdown.les-forums.com

  • dvncmdy

    already there my friend!

  • dvncmdy

    good to see ya!

  • EmpressL

    Huff Po – Bait & Switch! They HOOKED us … then they figured they could SWITCH.

  • takawalk

    So the last comment is five days old? I guess Epoch is more accommodating.

  • TechYes

    Indeed. But since it’s not illegal for employers to monitor internet use of employees at work, nothing will change – with the possible exception of people whose opinions deviate from the company line (or the boss’s) will be targeted or fired.

  • chimichurri

    My account is from 2005 when Huffington Post was a renegade blog that made discussing stories easy. The commenting section then and up until recently is where the story really unfolds. Many times I have gotten more information via the commenters then from the actual article itself. Whoever came up with this facacta policy doesn’t understand what catapulted them out of obscurity to begin with. Honestly, I’ve found myself not going to Huff Po at all knowing the conversation has been blunted. Shame.

  • Trumbull Desi

    I am finally freed of the burden that is Huffington Post. Looking forward to seeing HP refruees and making new contacts here.

    Signed,
    A proud libtard ;-)

  • Trumbull Desi

    Thanks for that explanation on how folks are getting around the cell phone requirement. I couldn’t figure it out.

  • Trumbull Desi

    You’re everywhere RF! Love it.

  • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

    Go to your profile page. Scroll to the botton and there is a “remove account” button. Does that help?

  • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling
  • RF_Dude

    Niterz, QBD. Sleep well.

    Peace to you.

  • Sharyn G.

    Hey Quick – did you see that two of your last comments to me were deleted? :( can you tell me how to find you at that site?

  • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/djzebbie Quick Brown Dog

    I will certainly check it tomorrow :) But it’s 2am and I’ve gotta get to bed :) GNight :D

  • RF_Dude

    Yes, but you can get a ‘burner’ app for your Android that will give you a ‘throw-away’ phone number if you desire to game the FB verification system.

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.adhoclabs.burner&hl=en

    This is one, there are others.

  • RF_Dude

    This was just posted on Epoch Times: http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/401062-huffpost-sees-mass-exodus-users-reject-new-comment-system/

    The word is getting out – just in time for Monday Morning Staff Meeting at the Poo!

  • luuke

    M0r0ns at Hufpoooooooo are tryin seriously hard to get people to comment with extreme provoking topics but very few are takin the bait and like I always suspected , the ones that sold out to hufpooo are the ones that had the most friends and comments and who the libs blindly followed because they made populist comments and still are but basically they happened to be just attention seekin hacks under the guise of beacons of knowledge

  • jbiot

    There are folks on HP now using fake FB reg and fake verification. See for example Times Joke:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/timesjoke?action=profile.

    I think TJ he does it by using a fake registration on FB and then using Google Voice to get the verification text message and respond. So FB never gets a cell number, and TJ gets to use a pseudonym on HP. That’s his explanation; makes sense.

    Unless Times Joke is his real name :)

    HP’s excuse that it’s all to fix trolling is just PR sugar. The real sugar is the $$$ that comes indirectly from the FB connection that they have been pushing for years. Good boy and girl badges didn’t do it so they lowered the hammer. Ariana’s not to be messed with. She loves the green.

  • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/djzebbie Quick Brown Dog

    I’m a (soon to be) former HuffPo commenter, and I already had no friends and was estranged from family. Actually, HuffPo had no bearing on that. The only thing I didn’t have was stalkers, which I probably wouldn’t have even with failbook ;-) Mine is the face that sank a thousand ships…

  • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/djzebbie Quick Brown Dog

    Thank you, Forrest :-) So glad to have “found” you. You’re the man now, cat! XD

    Long list of people (not nearly as long as my ~480 under the original QBD account; this is from my djzebbie account), but if you can find them, I’d be very happy. Merry Christmas and a Bah Huffbug to you :-D

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/djzebbie

    Also, from the old account (as Quick Brown Dog):

    bighairypussy
    Coinyer101
    Forpeace
    Flossophy
    Lady Sabertooth
    nosuchthingasgod
    ProudToBeVeryLiberal

    There is also a user from the old account whose name I have unfortunately forgotten. He or she has an animated ladybug for an avatar. I am not sure if the word ladybug is part of his/her username; somehow I think it is, but again I am not 100% certain. (Maybe you can ask around?) If you find him or her, please say good-bye to that person for me too. If at all you can persuade people from my friends list to sign up for Disqus and head on over to this Poynter article (or the other one), the Epoch Times articles, Allenall, or Jackhole’s Realm, where all the Huff exiles are gathering, I would really appreciate it. :-)

  • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/djzebbie Quick Brown Dog

    I had more than 15K comments in a little over 11 months before I got sacked by the party van.

    Yeah, I know, not exactly much of a life. ;-)

  • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/djzebbie Quick Brown Dog

    Ooh — do post that screenshot for all to see. Come join us over at all-len-all.com and post it in the chat room thread or on the home page. It’ll go viral, at least among all of us :-)

  • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/djzebbie Quick Brown Dog

    If you REEEEEEALLY want to prevent yourself from clicking on it, block it in your hosts file. I don’t know how to edit it on Mac or Linux, but on Windows, go to Start menu, Run (or Ctrl-R), type

    %windir%system32driversetc

    Once there, right click first on the file “hosts” (has no extension), make sure it’s this one and not others like “LMHosts” or something to that effect, select Properties, UNcheck “Read Only,” click OK. Now open it with Notepad — make sure it’s NOTEpad and not Wordpad or MS Word. Add the following lines to the end of the document:

    127.0.0.1 huffingtonpost.com
    127.0.0.1 http://www.huffingtonpost.com
    127.0.0.1 huffpost.com
    127.0.0.1 m.huffpost.com
    127.0.0.1 huffpo.st
    127.0.0.1 thehuffingtonpost.com

    File, Save. If a dialogue opens up, save as “hosts” and make sure to select “All Files” from the drop-down menu below the file name. If a message pops up asking you if you want to replace, click OK. Close Notepad. For best practice reset the read only flag (this ensures that malicious programs can’t mess with your hosts file). Right click on hosts again, select Properties, REcheck “Read Only,” click OK.

    Now if you try to go to HuffingtonPost.com, you get a message saying that the page cannot be found. What this does is set up a “fake” 404 by redirecting the website to your own computer, which for all intents and purposes is not a server on the Internet. I do this already with Facebook, Twitter, Tumbler and other social media sites. (Google is a bit trickier but I have another program that does that.) Now you can’t get to HuffPost, and they can’t get to you either! :-D

    Put that in your post and huff it, Arianna!

  • takawalk

    I like it aside from the notifications thing. I will get used to it if HP remains stubborn. Perhaps even if they backtrack. the whole thing was disrespectful to it’s users.

  • takawalk

    lol.

  • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/djzebbie Quick Brown Dog

    Kcuf Twitter. Another celebutard ego masturbation and Warrior Forum scam site not worth a dodo dropping of my time. I don’t give a sh* that Britney just took one. What’s Kim K. doing on the toilet? Answer: breaking the seat.

  • john649

    HP requires you to link your phone number to your FB account to get your FB account ‘verified’.

  • john649

    you still have to link your phone number to it to get ‘verified’.

  • Lindstr7

    Because all the trolls live at Fox News?

  • Classical_Gas

    Get a burner number for verification and you’re set to go. Ummm, I’d be for using a proxy to set things up.

  • Classical_Gas

    You can get it done, it requires repeated removal attempts, though.

  • Classical_Gas

    I had to hit the “Remove Account” several times before it actually happened. Remove acct./log out/ log in – repeat until you get “account has been removed”.

  • jayson Teeman

    How hard is it to make a fake facebook account with a fake name?

  • jayson Teeman

    …and having to use your real name will expose this.

  • jayson Teeman

    HuffPost should be more worried about their incompetent news reporting instead of anonymous posters.

  • jayson Teeman

    Go screw yourself Huff. Firstly, not everyone has a need for a cellphone. I don’t own one. So even IF I chose to comply, I couldn’t…unless I bought a cell phone I don’t need.

  • sgraham59

    The only one left to post at HP is Sara Palin she lives at facebook

  • Sharyn G.

    Oh we know. But it’s hella funny to say. I should tweet that to Tim, actually. He’s the one who says its about trolls and apparently forgot that FB hits the S&P 500 in five days.

  • Sharyn G.

    So, I’m getting the hang of twitter now. And reading Tim McDonald’s tweets.

    Tim:
    The world changes one conversation at a time.+plus.google.com/10051900454325…
    3:07pm – 15 Dec 13

    Sharyn:
    So, I guess that’s why you guys curbed conversation at the huffpo.
    6:43pm – 15 Dec 13

  • Justin Graziano

    There is no trolling problem, they are just using that as an excuse to censor people they politically disagree with. Even Fox News does not censor people, and they are one of the most hated news organizations in the country. You would think they’d be loaded with trolls, but they’re not. Why is it that Fox is able to have a functional commenting system with no censorship, yet Huffington cant?

  • Lindstr7

    They’re eating their young over there. Have you been to TheEpochTimes.com yet? Lots of Huffugees over there too.

  • ottlh

    Thanks RF_Dude! I think I’ve successfully closed it as of today. Loved the nice email where they gave me the link to recreate my account if I changed my mind. I’m not going to change my mind when it comes to invasions of my privacy.

  • ottlh

    You’re fantastic Sharon! Too funny!

  • Sharyn G.

    Funny how they instituted all this chaos under the guise of fighting off trolls and now they have so many fewer clicks that they are the ones trolling for comments.

    (Snort).

  • Sharyn G.

    Yup. It’s blatant right? I took a photo. I should twit pic it to him!

  • Sharyn G.

    After all the posts I left on huff got me banned, I have all this free time…

    And now I see he has a twitter account…

    Hmm…..

    (Diabolical laugh)

  • Sharyn G.

    Very cool.

  • takawalk

    I saw that comment.

  • LaFemmeNikitty

    OMG That’s hilarious.

  • takawalk

    That is the one I will look at next. On HP the friend and fan thing was cool, and although it leaned left it was all in all a diverse community. But it is what it is and HP is not what it was.

  • Sharyn G.

    Tim McDonald’s tweets are kinda interesting. I decided to answer him and Arianna:

    Timmy:
    RT @ariannahuff: “A man of calm is like a shady tree.
    People who need shelter come to it.” –Toba Beta
    1:32pm – 15 Dec 13

    Sharyn:
    @tamcdonald @ariannahuff And those who don’t want to hear lies find another shelter.
    4:27pm – 15 Dec 13

  • takawalk

    I think it did get listed.It is cool to see some familiar faces here.

  • Sharyn G.

    Once I borrowed my dad’d Anne Coulter book and left it on the desk. I thought they were going to adopt me. I just played along, baby.

  • takawalk

    lol Puts a whole new meaning to the term coming out.

  • jake481

    Hey Forest my name was jake481 over there too. I had something like 3800 followers and I’d like to say sayonara …thanks.

  • RF_Dude

    Hello fellow Huffpogees!

    I hit the Red Button on Tuesday night (after 5 years, 3500 fans, over 20,000 comments) and got the eMail and thought things were over. But I discovered on Saturday that my account was not actually closed!

    I was reading posts here and at Epoch about folks not being able to delete accounts. So I went back to The Poo and discovered I could still log-in, even though my public comment history was saying “This account has been removed” !

    This really angered me. Really. Angered.

    Here is what I did to REALLY close the account.

    After logging in, go to Settings (under your Avi on the Huff Page) and hit the Red Button again. Confirm and logout. You may have to do this multiple times – it took me 6 passes before I ~finally~ got the message “This account has been closed” when I tried to log in.

    It really makes me mad that HuffPo makes you go through the trauma of deleting yourself multiple times – but that anger got me through the process. Many of us feel your pain as you go through this ABUSIVE and unnecessary process – it may drag-out whatever pain you feel at separating from that place, and that is inexcusable!.

    I will have nothing to do with them after this, I have found other places to post and communicate – this being one of them – and my HP addiction days are behind me!

    Good luck, and remember you are part of a better community now. We met each other at HP and have that experience in common – for that I am thankful.

    R.F.

  • Justin Graziano

    Huffington Post needs to be exposed big time.
    They are literally removing comments based on the MODERATORS POLITICAL
    BELIEFS. I am a super-user on the site and have hundreds of fans and
    thousands of favs yet today, I just today got banned (they did not tell
    me why, but I assume it is because I constantly repost the comments they
    choose not to publish). Which comments are removed is dependent on the
    mod you get. Almost every comment is “checked” before it is published,
    and as a Moderate, I have views on both sites of the isle. I have had
    pro-ObamaCare comments removed as well as anti-gun control comments! The
    censorship got so bad that I began posting the comments that Huffington
    removed on Washington Post, and not one of my comments has ever been
    removed from WaPo. Plus, it is not just me who is being censored either,
    they are doing it to everyone. If Huffington Post has removed your
    comments or banned you, tell someone. submit it as news to a real news
    site like Washington Post. We need to expose them. I think a lot of the
    major news sites will be more than willing to publish an article about
    one of their major competitors censoring people based on political
    beliefs.

  • CNN_KCUPH_U_PATR0L

    See ya Huffington. The government is invading our privacy. And now websites like Huffington and Facebook are in cahoots with them to keep tabs on us. Screw them. I don’t need to vent that badly.

  • Sharyn G.

    And Kim-ye.

    Dear lawd!

  • Cynth

    Sorry for the cross-posting (I posted this under Epoch Times’s HP piece, as well), but I thought I’d share here for those who haven’t been visiting Epoch:

    Hi, All. I came across this insightful Gawker article on smarm that indirectly exposes HP and others in the media, and refutes their argument advocating more civility as a self-serving guise: http://gawker.com/on-smarm-1476594977. I’m all for and prefer constructive discussions, but this argument is being used to dampen honest discourse, as many have pointed out over the past few days.

    I hope someone who still has full commenting access on HP posts this link in the discussion forum under macDonald’s announcement…

  • Cynth

    And that’s just it: even if they take measures to roll back their policy (and honor the grandfathering assurance), they have proven themselves to be untrustworthy. And given the number of AH/HP profiles I’ve read over the past couple of days, I don’t want support their other questionable and outright unethical practices.

  • Lindstr7

    Hey you! Nice to see ya!

  • Cynth

    Yes, it’s encouraging. It seems the trend is to dip over weekends and I would welcome seeing the numbers dip under 4 million (below their various lows over the last year.

    The bland and the lack of insightful comments and exchanges on the site is another indicator — and that definitely points to a decline. I hope the remaining hopefuls posting under MacDonald’s announcement soon decide that it isn’t worth it and join us here and elsewhere. It may seem like a big step, but it’s actually quite easy, considering a large and key part of the former HP community have linked up on the outside.

  • Emmeaki

    Miley Cyrus and sideboob articles. I’m starting to think that we aren’t missing much!

  • Vega

    HP only cares about $$$. if losing us means losing $$$, then yes they will miss us and try to lure us back. I will not return, I have no trust left in HP.

  • Emmeaki

    Yay! I have seen many HP people on Epoch Times as well, and we can comment and reply to each other without going through hell to figure out who is replying to whom!

  • Robin Cohen

    They have had some very significant software problems. Looks like that hasn’t changed.

  • Robin Cohen

    That’s why, after 6 years, I said thanks but no thanks. Who the hell is HuffPo ? Readers made them and a significant loss of readers would break them. I wonder if it was AOL’s dumb idea to do what they did?

  • liz29

    Jimmy Soni LIES !!!!!! I have been a long time commenter on Huff Po and this week I was prompted to change my account to sign in using my real name and FB. I don’t have a FB account go rid of it months ago and want to post anonymously.So having contacted Huff Po a few different times to appeal this arbitrary rule change and having no success I signed out of my account. Farewell,adieu, goodbye Huff PO.

  • EmphasisII

    Expect to see this internet wide. This is being done in an effort to silence us.

  • Wolf58

    For those keeping track as of yesterday HP numbers are way down -35% people,-37 % visits,-40% views. .https://www.quantcast.com/huffingtonpost.com

    Do you think they are starting to miss us yet?

  • yankhadenuf

    Ironically when I clicked on the Privacy Policy, it sent me to oblivion, I was simply back on the article I was reading…things that make you go hmmm

  • yankhadenuf

    They plan to use posts (real names and all) for marketing purposes, for their agents and third party contractors marketing purposes. You give away your name/post rights when you sign (click) a TOS agreement

  • yankhadenuf

    ok, here we go, on the new TOS, very clear what they can and will do to your posts if you accept their terms (in particular Read section 2, part b) It is signing a contract with the Devil himself!

  • Robin Cohen

    It would serve them right if they were.

  • yankhadenuf

    And if they do so without explicit written permission (aka online acceptance agreement) from individual commenters, are they opening themselves up to any kind of class action lawsuit?

  • Sharyn G.

    Hi, yes. There were many people that were saying things like “ill just create a fake account so how does that do anything…” and things like that. He was online and had answered a handful of comments when he jumped on that one to encourage the action. He’s basically saying “yeah go ahead and open it and your ID will still be protected …” But you and I and any thinking person can see how him saying that completely negates the whole “use your real name” to prevent troll behaviors thing. They think we are stupid. He’s telling her she can still be anonymous, yet their whole point was that people will no longer be anonymous.

    Total lies!!! And I have a screen shot of the comment. He deleted it after (my guess) he figured out what it revealed.

  • Trilby16

    I hope so. That was my purpose. Also it provided an outlet for my frustration over stolen elections. On to new challenges now.

  • Robin Cohen

    Things were fine as they were for most readers. I was one for 6 years but there is no longer any reason for me to be a reader/poster if that REQUIRES a link to any social network that THEY choose AND monitor. I don’t like BIG BROTHER Huffington minding MY business.

  • JainDohNYC

    hi emmeaki! I remember all my HP friends who are also new yorkers! :)

    lots of us also posting here:
    http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/394651-new-comment-requirements-on-huffington-post-riling-users-many-are-leaving/

  • walt kovacs

    fyi

    if one site blocks you from commenting on the fb social widget, you will be blocked from commenting on all

  • Emmeaki

    It’s such a crock that they give you the choice of “opting out” of the Facebook log in, yet still require you to give your Facebook info in order to do so.

  • Emmeaki

    I love signing in with Disqus because I can use it for several sites without having to create a log in and password for each one.

  • kritikosman

    This quasi big brother creep is insane;….. buh-bye HuffPost, your fixitis might become a terminal illness. What a drag!!! Note to HuffPost: Render therefore unto Facebook the things which are Facebook’s, and unto HuffPost the things that are HuffPost’s …

  • ACPD

    I agree completely and will miss this opportunity both to educate and to learn….

  • earth_dweller

    That’s a given! But I believe the ways “they” can make money as well as cause problems for people (profitably for them, of course) with personal data might be beyond our comprehension at present, as average non-techie, non-”security state” people. I do notice a major obsession with “data” among the more creepy and greedy sectors …

  • earth_dweller

    Your list of the weaknesses and compromised aspects of HP are a perfect summary! I consider myself “good, intelligent, creative and humorous” and will look forward to interacting with you again, friend!(I was Lucy T over there)

  • earth_dweller

    LOL — as if facebook users were the “gold standard” of forum posters, the cream of the crop of post writers! as though Facebook has any standards at all except sporadic misguided prudishness and unrelenting GREED at its core.

  • earth_dweller

    I thought mine was totally gone as Profile came up “This profile has been removed.” I just hit Logout and was given the option of “Sign In or Create Account.” When I hit “Sign In” I was shown a list including Yahoo, Google+, Facebook, and some others as accounts I could sign in with, with my username (which I think links to Yahoo) prefilled (of couse I did not sign in). They don’t mention there that only a Facebook account will allow posting. Reminds me of Democratic Underground, where you actually have to create a scene by being an @-hole before they delete you. HP apparently even clings to the undesirables and never really “bans” anybody. #%)(&#%)(&

  • earth_dweller

    I think my head just exploded.
    But I also feel suspicious of the poster who asked that question. It could be a scripted question as a way to plant that idea, or validate it, without actually saying it in the article. Either way, I haven’t been back to the marketing scam known as HP since whatever day that was (Wed.?) — oh, all right, I clicked over there briefly a few times for the thrill of seeing the top news story having only 200 or fewer comments under it — but I’m on step 12 of a 12-step to get the HP monkey off my back.

  • ChrisDC

    LOL! The problem with Facebook is that they require real names, and I don’t know what hers is.

    Honestly, I did not have a problem with HuffPo knowing my real name, or verifying it. I wish they hadn’t limited that to Facebook, but I do have a Facebook account (my nieces and nephews are in a children’s choir and my Mom posts all the family pictures on HER Facebook page). I just don’t post much political stuff there for previously stated reasons, and what HuffPo was doing was trying to make me go back and retroactively sign my real name to things I posted under a promise of anonymity.

  • kjdoeshk

    Disqus is pretty well used on a lot of sites, I’ve had a few identities there for over a year, I like it

  • kjdoeshk

    Really? I tried that but it didn’t seem to work, found it from searching on ways to do it. What did you set?

  • satta

    Fortunately, we have lots of choices for sites that offer news and politics. No monopolies yet.

  • Sharyn G.

    “Scrape, scrape…”

  • Sharyn G.

    That’s a BRILLIANT IDEA and one that would pass moderation!

    Wow. Great work!

  • Sharyn G.

    It’s the truth and my repeating the facts there got me banned today, that means its the truth for sure

  • Sharyn G.

    I’m with you. I’d rather be true to myself than be false with them just so I can hang out somewhere. Ill just haunt other threads ;)

  • Sharyn G.

    No and oddly, THEY are the real trolls.

  • Robin Cohen

    Could they be selling the data to some Direct Marketing list broker?

  • Sharyn G.

    Yup. People like myself hung out there all day making comments. They will miss us.

  • Sharyn G.

    Huffpo banned me today after leaving links to here and epoch for three days non stop . Ha!

  • Sharyn G.

    Yup. That’s why I stayed over there and peppered that thread for three days straight with the epoch link until today when they banned me! Victory!!!

    See us here, too:
    http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/394651-new-comment-requirements-on-huffington-post-riling-users-many-are-leaving/

  • Sharyn G.
  • Sharyn G.

    Now I yearn for Kimye! Ha ha!

  • Sharyn G.
  • Sharyn G.

    I didnt delete either. I was a daily poster with 4,194 friends when this all happened. I decided to keep posting my opinion and the links to this site and the bigger one where we are at epoch just to give people options.

    Come read out comments here, too. There’s no one pressuring you to do anything. But it’s great to talk to you.

    We are at: epoch times

  • Sharyn G.

    Yes there are and in fact, Tim McDonald, who wrote that article responded to a person who was saying just that. That they were worried about security and that they could maybe make a fake account and he endorsed it with a reply he made to that commenter. That’s what made me realize what was really going on. I have a screen shot if his reply too because I saw how bad it was. He says basically to create the account and says “we are not asking you to use it and there are ways both with FB’s privacy and your user preferences here to control who sees what and what you share.”

  • red russet

    Cell phones are trackable. GPS. Anyone, a marketer like target, for instance would be able to pick you up in their stores and track your movements through the store, recording what departments you were interested in. Nice.

  • Sharyn G.

    Nicely done, Forrest! Really. That’s great. Also for proof i have the screenshot of Tim saying (about creating a fake account):

    ” Gina we are not asking you to use it and thre are ways both with FB’s privacy and with user preferences here, that you can control who sees what and what you share…”
    BUT IF YOU CAN MAINTAIN PRIVACY You can still troll!!! = A LIE EXPOSED ;)

  • yankhadenuf

    I think it depends on settings? Maybe if you clicked Newest on top left you will see your latest comments. And maybe a delayed timing issue also?

  • Vega

    I believe they will only let you remove your profile. they are keeping the accounts to keep their member count high. like their FB policy its a money thing.

  • aquarius2

    Another question, why doesn’t my comment appear here but appears on Disqus Thanks in advance

  • aquarius2

    Can anyone help? I tried to delete my account at Huff Post but it won’t cancel. I tried erasing all the information and then hitting remove account but my name keeps popping up. Then I tried just hitting the remove account and it is still there. Are they actually closing the accounts? I don’t think so.

  • Vega
  • yankhadenuf

    I learned anonymity in the early ’70′s when I signed a Letter To The Editor of a major newspaper as a young teen “Younger But Wiser”…it was about Nixon and the Vietnam War. It got published! If it was good enough for print traditional newspaper…

  • yankhadenuf

    unfrigginbelievable

  • yankhadenuf

    I admit I can’t delete my account, it’s been 8 years and thousands of comments, hundreds of friends…I guess it will go to dormant graveyard since I will NEVER hook it up to Facebook :(

  • yankhadenuf

    What are your focus topics? Environment? Peace? Healthcare? Human Rights? Disability? etc . If you are passionate about Politics there are plenty of suggestions for forums on this thread. You’ll find a home away from home ;)

  • Lindstr7

    It’s no longer a free market when its a monopoly.

  • yankhadenuf

    You may have found a home here at Poynter…not sure what this site is all about yet, but I am finding comfort with former HuffPo commenters on this thread, for the time being anyways :)

  • yankhadenuf

    I’m the other one ;)

  • yankhadenuf

    well, la dee da…guess we keyboard peckin’ peons tain’t worth consulting

  • yankhadenuf

    Kind of like being an Amway distributer, ew!

  • yankhadenuf

    But then AOL bought HuffPo and AOL is publicly traded, different ballgame now

  • yankhadenuf

    Just watch and hover over Ticker on Facebook awhile, and read what your friends say to THEIR family who are NOT even your friends, then you really gotta wonder what the hell HuffPo was thinking . “Civil speech”? Really?

  • yankhadenuf

    The First Amendment was never ever about “civil speech” , quite the contrary

  • yankhadenuf

    I’ll have to admit, I did not always seek out the ignorant and trolls (yes I did), but if they sought me out I engaged them, tried to throw spaghetti on the wall to see if anything “stuck”. It became a mission to inform, not necessarily persuade right there on the spot. Let them chew on it awhile… to be honest, I was enlightened too ;) The heated debate is a wondrous thing!

  • Lindstr7

    Yeah, just how much IS our information worth?

  • yankhadenuf

    If anyone is going to sell my privacy it’s going to be me! Let’s make a deal HuffPo ;)

  • yankhadenuf

    Yes, those Miley/Kimye comments did kill more than of few of my creative writing brain cells, wasted efforts I’m embarrassed to anonymously admit ;)

  • F. Grump

    Good one! That screenshot is ammunition, as there is a battle going on now between the administration and the membership. But, I like these kind of battles. So after reading your comments here about the Facebook stock price link, I hit that same nail on the head back over in the HP thread. (I’m for anything that I think might hurt them that I can get past the killbots and the idiot mods). And I think that made a few people raise their eyebrows. Now from reading the comments, a lot of people are starting to see that this isn’t about trolling at all. A lot of MOR people less involved than you and I about the situation, are asking the question “Why do I need to associate my personal information to get verified? Couldn’t they do it another way? Why are they now accessing my FB account and….”.

    I also continually mention Tim saying they don’t care if people sign up with a fake FB account. I’m backed by the visual proof from all the people signing up with names like “Mark Twain” and even more obvious ones. And after numerous deletions, I finally managed to get a few quotes from this thread over on the HP thread! Plus, I got in my list of alternatives to HP, including Poynter, and a few others that were mentioned in this thread. People thanked me for that, so you guys will soon get more company I believe, from ex-HPers. They are announcing closures of their accounts and their exodus daily and by the hour. This can only be a good thing for the Disqus sites, and all the rest. I figure when they get around to banning me, I’ll go check out some alternatives! TC.

  • satta

    Customers are the only thing that count! Without them, what do you have? HuffPo became popular and successful because it offered something that a lot of people valued. We came to read and comment, and in return we tolerated the ads, and HuffPo made money. It is a common revenue model that, interestingly, requires that the customers pay nothing except to spend their time on the site. We patronize the site because it entertains us. That is the value proposition that online sites must satisfy. HuffPo used to be very good at it and they were rewarded with customers and revenue. Now, time will tell if they have figured out how to provide more value or if they have mis-stepped and sabotaged their own business. It seems pretty obvious to me that whatever happens it will happen with a lot fewer readers and commenters.

  • Arbutus

    Closed my HP account today, and feel very good about it. There are too many downsides to using it now. Some things I will not miss:

    Having to link to FaceBook to make comments
    Censorship of the commenters but not the bloggers
    Having my comments disappear, even when they meet the “guidelines”
    Blatant disregard of long-time users, without use of fair warning or listening to feedback

    Hypocrisy about civility, free speech and privacy

    Proliferation of nipple, sideboob, bikini, Kardashian and Cyrus articles
    Pretending to be a progressive website when it’s all about the dollars

    I will miss the conversations I used to have with good, intelligent, creative and humorous people, and hope to find some of that again on websites such as this.

  • yankhadenuf

    wow, me too, my HP profile says November 2005. I like to think our unabashed rants shortened the Iraq War and saved lives

  • yankhadenuf

    lol, exactly, the yesmen and brownnosers are obviously headhunted at AOL, er I mean, “HuffPo”

  • Wade Stanley

    Absolutely.

  • justanaverageguy

    “This always happens. They’ll calm down and come back.”

    Reply: “They” may come back…but not me.

    FB is a scam on society IMHO and those that force others to use it are even worse.

    The game is to shut up the minions and opinions of average citizens. Zuckerberg has said almost as much in private touts about the need to eliminate privacy. Privacy is a so precious commodity to those who don’t begin to have it all, and even to those who do have it all.

  • Trilby16

    Since Nov. 2005, here. RIP HuffPo.

  • Trilby16

    “This always happens. They’ll calm down and come back.”

  • Lindstr7

    Would love to be a fly on the wall at HP headquarters right now heh. “Don’t worry! Our numbers will climb back up once people figure out how to open a FB account, buy a cell phone, create a friends list and a timeline and turn it all over to us!” Lots of nods.

  • Wade Stanley

    I don’t have a cell phone. I don’t want one; therefore, I can’t verify. I have been posting on Huffington for several years and now………well, I guess is just my tough luck.
    I personally believe that the big push to get their grungy hands on all the cell numbers is to eventually create a data base so the numbers can be sold to spammers. There is just no other reason to get someone’s cell number. After all, do you expect Arianna to give you a call……………

  • Lindstr7

    Welcome Cal! Many here feel the same way. Invite your friends at HP to join us!

  • Lindstr7

    Lots of people have FB accounts but draw the line at handing over their cell phone and friends lists! It’s blatant data mining under the guise of “civil discourse.” Horse pucky.

  • cal haughtly

    Adios HP…I won’t give up what little privacy I still have.

  • 2words1finger

    Just deleted my HuffPo account. They are crazy if they think people are going to play their silly little game. From what I can tell by the online buzz, they are losing members in droves. HP has changed dramatically since Arianna sold out to AOL anyway. It has become basically the liberal version of Fox News.

  • Lindstr7

    Nice to see you here!

  • yankhadenuf

    This is a nice site, we can dig it ;)

  • Lindstr7

    I see. Thanks. Drat and double drat. Keep up the good work! We appreciate your efforts.

  • yankhadenuf

    But like the free market, customers don’t count, only shareholders do. This must have passed the board of directors already, at what point, if at all, will they eat crow?

  • yankhadenuf

    I went through brief withdrawal at City-Data when I was actually banned… so relieved to have my life back! Those wacky moderators and bizarre rules were controlling my life ;)

  • Lindstr7

    to the vey :)

  • yankhadenuf

    The irony of being “real” on HuffPo now is that people in polite company will be unlikely to call out phonies now that everyone is on a names only basis. People who claim to be Dr. So&so and “expert” in this or that will bully Joe Schmoe, who is well-read and has truckloads of life experience to back it up.

  • yankhadenuf

    Wasn’t always that way, but this is one hell of a wake-up call

  • yankhadenuf

    One would think HuffPo (aka AOL) would have done a market research study before bringing in the hated Facebook. I wonder who contacted who first with a deal they couldn’t refuse?

  • Robin Cohen

    After 6 years it was good bye Huffington Post. I don’t want a Facebook Account.

  • satta

    I know that a lot of my HuffPo brethren are not big fans of the free market, but … I’m watching it work on the new HuffPo commenting policy pretty darn well right now. HP has gone from a bustling metropolis of political discussion to an abandoned shopping mall for Madison Avenue ad targets pretty much overnight. Sad to see such a vibrant forum ruined, but delighted to see people voting with their feet!

  • yankhadenuf

    They should rename HuffPo to BoPeep ;)

  • yankhadenuf

    Ironically, if Facebook removed Ticker and reinstalled user-friendly privacy blocks, their stock would go up overnite

  • yankhadenuf

    I read young people are abandoning Facebook and think the action is at Twitter now. How is
    HuffPo going to cull any Facebook followers with no cellphones or ones that have
    no text capabilities?

  • yankhadenuf

    Don’t delete just yet, this too may pass ;)

  • yankhadenuf

    …even divorces?!

  • yankhadenuf

    beer brand name!

  • Vega

    “go to theepochtimes” was the only bio they approved, anything that looked like a web address was rejected. I just checked back to see if the new avatar was approved yet, lo and behold, my micro bio was removed. Their censors are catching on, or monitoring these sites.

  • Gin1234

    I’ve been there since 2009, and was there for the infestation, but at this point in time, I really think we are the ones considered the trolls.

  • imusintheevening

    Jeez. How do they know it is alcoholic, the umbrella?

  • RF_Dude

    Excellent article, Jain! Good to see people getting the word out.

    The conclusion is the point of all this: if all online communities are shuttered with this draconian requirement, free-speech online will die. It is a grave threat to all commenting communities – right now it is optional, driven by each site (like HP) but it is not a far-reach in this ever-more corporate dominated world to imagine sites being required by LAW to implement these policies.

    1984 was 30 years early…

  • imusintheevening

    Na, many of us were there long before the infestation, but they clearly made a conscious choice to foster the short, hated-filled fact-free posters over the people engaging in the discussion of political process, silly humor and facts. To be sure, all they really care about is clicks, as they form the basis of their revenue stream.

  • RF_Dude

    I just replied to ottlh (right above your comment here) about my experience. I hit the button on Tuesday but had to go through this process today (Saturday) to finally be HP-Free.

    Good luck, USW!

  • RF_Dude

    You will need to log into your HP account, select Settings and scroll down to the Red Button. Click and confirm – you may have to repeat this process 5 or 6 times to finally get ‘out’! I did, as have several others. Log out and wait – it takes them 30 minutes or so to catch up in some cases.

    When you can no longer log-in (you’ll get a message on your login box saying “this account has been closed”) then you’re done!

    I got 6 emails telling me my account was closed, but it was only after repeatedly clicking the Red Button that I FINALLY could not log-in.

    You might consider leaving a ‘farewell’ message in your microbio – even a link to here or Epoch Times – before you go through this process.

    It’s a pain, but it’s over for me! WOOT!

  • ChrisDC

    She’s a lesbian; I’m gay. We’re both Christians, and had a lot of fun together lecturing fundamentalists about their lack of monopoly on truth. (Not that either of us thinks we have one either.) Plus she’s funny, and very, very smart.

    And thanks for the search suggestion. I’ll give that a try.

  • ChrisDC

    Oy.

  • geesepeace

    What is with that name ‘christianlady1′? Does it have some significance? If you google it you come up with lots of them. You may have better luck googling it.

  • TechYes

    Also, check out PlanetPOV. Great site with the welcome mat to HP expats, lots of whom have already showed up there.

  • TechYes

    Whoa! BOY am I glad I left! It’s starting to look more and more like a genius move!

  • Gin1234

    I’ve been over there for a couple of days. In fact, I think you are already following me. LOL> Thanks, though.

  • geesepeace

    Yeah right…..and I noticed a number of blogs lately did not even allow comments; one recently was about the health care system in Canada by someone in an organization that would like more privatization of health care. That kind of one sided conversation.

  • geesepeace

    Geezus yes and how will us Canadians survive without Paulina Gretzky’s latest boob baring selfie? HP knew we hated her, nobody wanted to see her but still they kept on writing BS articles about this bimbo.

  • Lindstr7

    You’re not going to like this but you apparently can search for friends via the Disqus dashboard….but its searching via Facebook. :/

  • Gin1234

    Wow. Then surely there is a high number of people registering with them. Disqus includes CNN which has a huge volume of posters, so they should be big enough to handle a large volume, yet they are having problems.

  • Lindstr7

    Some people are getting the word out by putting “TheEpocTimes.com” in their micro bio. Genius idea. (or in this case Poynter.org). You might want to check out TheEpochTimes.com too if you haven’t already. Lots of HP expats there too.

  • Lindstr7

    (sorry was up late on this thread last night. I may be suffering from angry cow disease)

  • psileste

    I don’t know whether we knew each other on HP or not, but I’ll be your friend this Christmas. I know it’s not the same but at least we have one thing in common: we’re both HP refugees.

  • Gin1234

    I would dare to say that we who are blogging away from H P today, are considered the trolls that they are trying to get rid of. I don’t know whether to stop entirely, or continue to “troll” once in a while over there to make them unhappy at not being able to clear the place entirely. I and many others were certainly treated the same as trolls were, and have been for a long time. Lately, the comments are so scripted there , that you have to rewrite comments over and over again before they are exactly what they wanted so that they could be released onto the thread. It is purely random and a mystery what they want them to say, though.

  • Lindstr7

    Had to share this with you (courtesey of JainDohNYC)

    “We make [corporations] part of the conversation,” explained
    another HuffPo marketing executive in 2011. “We’re acting as a
    social-media agency for our advertisers on The Huffington Post. We’ve become advisers to some of these companies about how to conduct the social-media outreach . . . We help them counter this sort of one-sidedconversation that is going on on the Internet about their companies.”

    http://exiledonline.com/the-huffpo-business-model-deliberately-obliterating-the-separation-between-paid-advertising-and-real-reporting/

  • TechYes

    Maybe we complained about the Kardashian/MileyCyrus/Palinbot coverage too often to suit the overlords.

  • TechYes

    Thanks, F. Grump! Very kind of you. My HuffPo handle was TechYes as well; I kept it so that if any former-Huffies showed up they would recognize me. Seems lots of other people did the same. Please tell my fans and friends that it not MY decision to leave without saying good-bye. I had no choice as HuffPo pulled the plug by not letting us comment BEFORE they imposed the FB rule. I’ll miss all the folks I met and chatted with and argued with and laughed with during my years at HuffPo. I hope many of them will show up here so that we can go back to being treated like a valued community and not a means to make money for HP and Zuckerberg. Thanks again!

  • Lindstr7

    No, i haven’t found a way to search for friends yet.

  • ChrisDC

    Thanks. Do you know if there’s a way to search for a Disqus ID?

  • Lindstr7

    Just a reminder folks that you can “follow” people here by hovering over their image and clicking the “follow” button. Also, as JainDohNYC reminded us earlier….click on the star in the upper right corner of the comments section.

  • ChrisDC

    If anybody here runs across ChristianLady1, could you point her in my direction? A friend HuffPo cut me off from whom I’m trying to find.

  • JainDohNYC

    this link’s pretty eye-opening as well. I highly recommend Maureen Orth’s 1994 Vanity Fair piece on AH (there’s a link to it in this article):

    http://shameproject.com/profile/arianna-huffington/

  • JainDohNYC

    here’s a piece from last year about some of HP’s more shady practices (tho I’m hard pressed to think of any of theirs that AREN’T):

    http://exiledonline.com/the-huffpo-business-model-deliberately-obliterating-the-separation-between-paid-advertising-and-real-reporting/

  • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

    Idiots are never a wise choice for handling damage control; are they?

    I know Tim still has supporters, but his detractors have gained the numerical edge — it’s gonna take more than -growing a set- to walk -this one- back?

  • Lindstr7

    I guess that makes us the cows who got away. Mooooo! I’m not going back and you can’t make me! Moooo!

  • ChrisDC

    Put me in the politician/lawyer category, although at the senior staff level. A bunch of us are kind of gathering over at Epoch Times. As well as here.

  • Lindstr7

    Your idea is absolutely briilliant. You should plant yourself over there and keep commenting on the main threads until they kick you out lol.

  • JainDohNYC

    for real info, you’d need an account at somewhere like comscore…..

  • Lindstr7

    I’ll repost what SharynG posted yesterday.

    No- you’re right. It’s about money.

    They WANT you to create a junk account, because FB NEEDS NEW BUSINESS.

    There was an article three weeks ago on huff saying their accounts
    were down and that they had decided to lower their age requirement to 13
    to attract new accounts.

    Now suddenly FB has this deal with huff guaranteeing them new
    accounts or at least reactivation of old ones, thereby upping their web
    traffic and their bottom line to their stockholders.

    This company is just now joining the S&P 500! This is about
    money. They don’t care if you use an account, they just want you to make
    one. Higher numbers equal higher profits.

    Huff underestimated out memories. They have been writing stories
    about declining numbers at FB. Also, FB was hacked a week ago and
    account passwords were posted online.

    So, why would huff, who has been widely critical of FB on their own
    news site, suddenly not ask you, but DEMAND that you have a FB account
    to comment?

    Money. A deal was made, just in time to guarantee higher account
    numbers for FB since they go live on the S&P 500 December 20th.

    Coincidence? Ha!

    I myself had my FB account plugged in back in 2011. I never rely
    cared or used it. But ill be darned if I’m taking orders from a bunch of
    hypocrites who want to keep me in Plato’s Cave. It’s the height of
    hypocrisy- huff would be the first in line to report on this type of
    shady activity if it were happening on a rival news site, and we all
    know it.

    There’s a couple places where many of us have gathered, if you want
    to k ow where just ask . I put it down before and people found us , but
    then the comments were deleted by HP, go figure.

  • JainDohNYC

    oh, good idea about the bio!! as far as a pic like that of AH, you’ll have to make your own – you won’t find anything like that online. she manages – or should I say, manipulates? – her image more assiduously than almost anyone else I can think of. hence the lack of media interest in our recent exodus.

  • Don Robinson

    They have nothing but contempt for public opinion generally and see people as basically cattle who needed to be herded into their coralls.

  • Lindstr7

    Welcome Cashey1! Great to see a new face joining us refugees!

  • Lindstr7

    Over at Epoc (epic!) Times as well.

  • Lindstr7

    They’re basically levying a fee for freedom of speech and I think the pols and especially the GOP are really loving it. It really WAS a place where pols and policy makers took measure of public opinion on issues. Now, they’ll only be hearing from those who don’t value their privacy (or respect the privacy of others) and are willing to pay that fee. There is just something so TERRIBLY wrong with this. After all, it was WE the PEOPLE who made HP what it is today. It feels like a coup it really does.

  • Lindstr7

    Oh look! Another article on Kimye! What will I do without my daily Kimye updates?!

  • JainDohNYC

    Ms H is too preoccupied spreading the Gospel of Arianna. in her quest for worldwide domination, she continues steamrolling her way across the globe.

    in 2014, look for HP Galapagos and HP Papua New Guinea.

  • Lindstr7

    Yeah, I often thought that policy makers used HP to float ideas and get a feel for public reaction. Not anymore. There is a certain mindset that would allow a company to invade their privacy just to be heard. Who on earth would give up their friends and family lists? Their cell phone numbers? Their photos, timeline and all the comments they’ve ever made on FB. That demographic does not represent me. I value my privacy ESPECIALLY in these intrusive days of NSA spying. It’s insanity I tell ya!

  • Don Robinson

    I was GuyCybershy on there and I had about 2000 fans. At one time it was a very engaging site but it has slowly gone downhill. They don’t really want people’s honest opinions, they want people to regurgitate the latest nonsense they’ve been fed.

  • geesepeace

    Well a lot of comments are informative; I often include links to experts opinions to back up my opinions. They want to dumb people down not educate or inform.

  • yankhadenuf

    PS And where I started with handle Yankhadenuf in 2005 , Warisacrime.org (formerly Afterdowningstreet.org )

  • geesepeace

    HP was too greedy and came on too big; the NYTs reads all their comments and no vile ones get posted. Even disrespectful ones don’t get posted; I have had a NYT editor email me saying my comment had merit but was a tad disrespectful and I was welcome to edit and resubmit. The reason HP can’t give any service like that is they tried to do too much too fast.

  • yankhadenuf

    Thank you Forrest Gump, It was a great ride while it lasted HuffPo fans and friends, hope to see you at Mother Jones … Yankhadenuf ;)

  • Don Robinson

    There’s no way I’ll be posting on HuffPost anymore. This is deliberate censorship that has nothing to do with “civility”. There was a study recently that comments sections do have an effect on public opinion and that is what they are worried about. The site has been going downhill for a long time with the front page being increasingly dominated by celebrity gossip and other nonsense and trivia.

  • psileste

    There are no others like that now, but I am waiting not-so-patiently for the new Omidyar, Greenwald Poitras venture which I expect will far surpass anything HP ever had to offer.

  • JainDohNYC

    it’s not just that it’s utter garbage, using “civility” as pretense for stealth data mining. it’s the friggin GALL of them to expect us to believe that!

    besides, as many of us have pointed out time and again, the troll infestation would easily be fixed by hiring more mods…..there’s only something like 40 of them. but Arianna is way too cheap to do that.

    moreover, they’re responsible for the bloated trollage in the first place!! by actively recruiting AOLers the way they did. they’d post inflammatory pieces on AOL sites: a unflattering pic of Obama with the lede: Is He Coming For Your Guns?? (or something similar) with a link to the HP piece, ensuring that AOL’s older and whiter demographic were sufficiently angry and worked up by the time they came to post.

  • Vega

    those numbers are being heavily skewed the last few days by links to HP from google, yahoo, ms, news sites. many click without realizing where they are going until they arrive on HP.

  • aquarius2

    Very good post. I noticed the same thing about posts that clearly violated the stated rules. I was so frustrated in the past few months with the line that started with “Due to sensitive…….” it was ridiculous, especially when you would see comments that should have been removed.

  • Vega

    you can also put “go to the epochtimes” in your bio, since they won’t delete my account they can live with my bio. I’m looking for a picture of AH with a crown or a dunce cap on her head for an avitar to use there.

  • yankhadenuf

    HuffPo used to be enormously engaging, even the trolls instigated heated discussions, and the outcome was we ended up preaching to a much wider audience than the choir. This lack of anonymity does not generate anything but sheep bleats

  • FDRliberal

    Great to see you as well. Im going to be using Disqus which so far is a good way to keep in touch with my fellow ex-HP’ers. Im glad many others quit that site as well.

  • Vega

    that began with the new conversation format, and it went rapidly downhill from there.

  • geesepeace

    We know the troll excuse is utter garbage because people have been bullied to death on facebook. Why do they even bother lying so blatantly? That creepy talk show host Pete Santilli who made the vulgar comment about shooting Hilary Clinton awhile ago and was in the news has a few sites on FB and he had that comment on his site. FB is NOT civil by any stretch.

  • Vega

    Reverse it or not, the trust factor has evaporated, and I would not be surprised if they found another nefarious, and this time secret way to get the data they want. Tracking IP addresses is easy, even when behind a VPN.

  • aquarius2

    LOL I favored most everyone of your comments on HP and this is no exception. It definitely rates a F&F

  • FDRliberal

    Yep, I did see a some right-leaning comments get deleted which did not contain any personal attacks. I would go to respond to a comment and ‘poof’ it was gone. I would be aggravated as I was looking fwd to responding. This happened to me sometime as well tho – depended on who was moderating. This is not to mention HP’s ludicrously bad automoderation scripts. The FB thing was the last straw for me.

  • yankhadenuf

    Expats response to HuffPo… *crickets*

  • aquarius2

    It has turned into an “e-rag”. Sure there is some news but the right side of the screen was littered with “side boobs”, bikini shots and the Kardashians.

  • aquarius2

    I have had this avatar for years. Got it when I was using Americablog. I was surprised that Disqus still had me on file.

  • yankhadenuf

    This thread has more comments that many new HuffPo articles now :)

  • JainDohNYC

    well, the media blackout about this continues unabated…. here’s one interesting article about it:

    http://popreflection.wordpress.com/2013/12/12/huffington-post-makes-radical-change-to-commenting-policy-including-violation-of-privacy/

  • aquarius2

    Hi there,

  • yankhadenuf

    The censorship at HuffPo was almost starting to get as lame as City-Data Forum anyways.

  • JainDohNYC

    hey folks – don’t forget to click the little gold star on this article! we should boost the likes here, in gratitude for poynter providing this forum. same thing for epochtimes, if people are also posting there.
    as far as I know, these 2 sites have been the only ones to cover our recent exodus (I haven’t done a search yet today tho, but will in a moment). the deafening silence online in the media about all of this is testament to how good Arianna and AOL are at squelching (and concealing) dissent.

  • FDRliberal

    Great to see you TigerLily

  • yankhadenuf

    The censorship at HuffPo was starting to get as lame (and almost as bizarre) as City-Data Forum anyways.

  • JainDohNYC

    hey sharyn! I’ve been watching Tim’s thread over there and saw your post yesterday with the ET link. I was surprised it went thru but think it’s been deleted now. anyway, I clicked under your profile there and saw you’ve been putting it on other threads, so good on you!
    I’ve been trying to get a few others here slowly, but my posts aren’t going thru. I’m now directing them to just go to your profile, click on your comments, and find the yellow brick road from there.
    cheers!

  • yankhadenuf

    By Jove, you are correct!

    What is this site we happened upon? Non-profit news org?

  • Popgirl

    That’s the truth. I have seen that a lot of people are signing up to fake Facebook accounts. So HuffPo is not doing this at all to verify their posters and cut down on trolling, and I refuse to cater to them. I won’t post under my real identity and am not about to set up a fake Facebook account just to post on HP. If they don’t care about all the fake Facebook accounts, then they really aren’t doing this for the reasons they have stated and certainly don’t care about their longtime posters who enjoyed the anonymity so they could freely express their viewpoints or share something personal related to the topic. It will take not only cancelling your account, which I did, but also not clicking on the site very often so that they really feel it and get the message where it really hurts them, viewership.

  • imusintheevening

    I need to go check it out. I think I went there many years ago once.

  • Popgirl

    Exactly. I am disgusted by this and have deleted my account. I have a lot of Republican clients and/or very conservative ciients. Why would I have my idenitity known when discussing political views and views on abortion, etc, on a very public forum? I dropped off of FaceBook a long time ago anyway for privacy concerns.

  • yankhadenuf

    I haven’t read the new blah comments yet, so many HuffPo articles have no comments at all now!

  • yankhadenuf

    “Facebook & civility” simply don’t go make sense in the same sentence

  • yankhadenuf

    Really, I have posted since 2005 and have many heated discussions from height of Iraq War posted somewhere in HuffPo archives… I would rather NSA knew than my employer

  • earth_dweller

    But it was also a magnet for corporate astroturfers posting their propaganda, distortions, and white noise, appearing to be “ordinary concerned citizens” or some such, miseducating the people. Let HP spiral to the bottom of the digital bird-cage liner category where it belongs — the “news” is vapid and regurgitated from wherever the corps get their fluff and is filler between the propaganda, advertising, and giant marketing scam that it is. Don’t give it the clicks even as a reader.

  • yankhadenuf

    At least Miley put Kardashian out of HuffPo limelight, for 15 minutes ;)

  • yankhadenuf

    Teachers have been fired for posting on Facebook seen with an alcoholic beverage on their vacations… can you imagine the turnover in education employment now?

  • geesepeace

    It’s the same old story, power corrupts. Few people can resist the urge for more power/money/fame so they lose their focus. Fact is HP was deleting a lot of good comments lately, everything was ‘a sensitive topic’ and only nice comments appeared, and they seemed more like they wanted to manipulate readers rather than hear from them.

  • yankhadenuf

    #NoHuffPo hashtag on Twitter… vent and trend it ;)

  • yankhadenuf

    Now all the current HuffPo commenters will have stalkers and no friends, maybe even estranged from family…

  • da_veritas

    Json, true, there are a million other news sites around but do you recall any others where you had 30,000 people or more commenting on the main stories?
    I’ve made comments on HP that have gotten over 300 thumbs up, compare that to here, (no offense to this site) ,You just feel like you’re actually accomplishing something with a large readership like that and then they go and blow it.

  • jake481

    I’m actually a little reluctant to outright delete my account ..I’ve been posting there for a very long time and enjoyed cultivating so many relationships with and over 3500 followers …well I HAD over 3500 , I just checked and its about 3000 now. Oh well, time to delete it because I’m NOT opening a Facebook account. Way too many stalkers and weirdos on Facebook.

  • escribacat

    Makes you wonder what kind of back room deal they made with Facebook.

  • jake481

    It kind of explains all the weird indiscriminate deletions. Sometimes posts that were completely innocuous would just disappear. Eventually I figured the person I was debating was deleting points that PROVED he was wrong …maddening.

  • escribacat

    The commenting community was the only reason to visit that e-rag. Don’t forget the “side boob” phase, and “Click here and you’ll never see cheese the same way again!”

  • jake481

    I lost around 500 followers ….

  • escribacat

    Hi Imus, I just registered with disqus and my gravitas avatar is showing up (but I don’t know why mine is and yours isn’t).

  • escribacat

    It’s hard to rage about it when you have to comply to their ridiculous terms in order to comment.

  • escribacat

    Hi Forrest. I was escribacat over on Huffy since 2009. Nuked my account when I was prompted for my “Facebook papers” the other day. Thanks for your generous offer. Please say good bye to all my friends over there for me!

  • geesepeace

    It’s beyond insulting Tim equates being on FB with civility. As well as all the semi normal people, the dregs of humanity are on FB and they don’t give a sh*t if everyone knows it.

  • Json

    Well at this point, I don’t care even they reverse the policy. I’m done with them. By lying about the policy they have shown they can’t be trusted. Any promises they make now are the equivalent of “Come back, baby, I won’t hit you anymore. You know I love you right?”
    I don’t need HP and neither does anyone else. There are plenty of news sites on the web.

  • da_veritas

    Someone pointed this out before but it needs repeating. The HP Tim Mcdonald article says that the new policy is to increase civility, but he responds to certain disgruntled commenters by telling them they can just make up a FAKE facebook account! You read that right He tells them to just make up a FAKE facebook account! So how does having people link a fake facebook account to HP increase “civility”? I call BS on this whole thing. This is just corporate stifling of free speech. I think that they are becoming afraid because I can see people waking up to the income inequality in this country and it scares the pants off of them.

  • da_veritas

    Wow, Looking at the top story on HP this morning I see it has a whopping 88 comments. Don’t give in to these people. If we stay away they will have to reverse this decision. People who say the media has an ultra liberal slant make me laugh, they’re all bought off by the corporations.

  • ACPD

    While I have found it annoying to have to deal with uncivil comments on the Huffington Post, I think to be able to actually respond directly to some of those comments is helpful. I think people who behave like jerks often don’t realize that their conduct is not appropriate. There are books, like those written by Robert Sutton, and others that point out confronting jerks actually has a better chance of converting that person into a civil person, than just letting them carry on. Beside, free speech isn’t always polite speech. Finally, I don’t text, so while I have participated in the past on HuffPost comments, I cannot do so any longer. I also have no interest in FB. I consider that an unnecessary and potentially dangerous complication in my life. I don’t call that progress….

  • earth_dweller

    this post is so … poignant — lol.
    My name was Lucy_T over there, and I had a problem …. Today is the first day of the rest of my life … :D

  • earth_dweller

    please come to OldElmTree.com — really, check it out. It’s small and backwater but very very friendly and with an excellent community feel. We talk a lot about the need for third parties, among other things (discussions on political as well as nonpolitical topics) — no comment is ever EVER deleted except ONLY by the poster if he or she wants. Totally civil, also.

  • Lance Wagstaffe

    Thanks for the links. I’ve already bookmarked them.

  • earth_dweller

    Great post! I’m with ya all the way bro …

  • earth_dweller

    I’m on satellite and actually got dinged for “using too much bandwidth” at one point, which I couldn’t figure out, until it became obvious it was HP refreshing every few seconds — sheesh — I had to remember not to leave a window open with HP draining my “pixel allowance” …

  • Lance Wagstaffe

    It’s funny, but in the wake of this treachery by HP, somebody (cough) named Harry Anna-Stuffington seems to have opened a Facebook account. “They” haven’t done anything with it yet, but it should be fun when they figure out precisely how to use it.

  • earth_dweller

    Yes, I hope disgruntled posters will also not read over there anymore either. I told HP I was now also an EX-READER and have not clicked on the site since.

  • Lance Wagstaffe

    There’s more than one way to skin that particular cat. NoScript will block autoplay, too. It’s not quite as seamless as Flashblock, though.

  • Lance Wagstaffe

    The worst part is that it keeps auto-refreshing…which is another way to pump the traffic numbers. I cut that nonsense off in Firefox’s “about.config” settings.

  • Lance Wagstaffe

    What I’d really like to know is how many clicks they’re generating inside the site.

  • earth_dweller

    I was Lucy_T over there and had 250 fans. I will be here and on EpochTimes and thank you ahead of time for the offer.

  • earth_dweller

    Thanks for that tidbit — I did not know that — things suddenly became even clearer …

  • earth_dweller

    Are there really people in the world who would go the trouble of creating a fake FB account for the sole purpose of commenting on the digital bird-cage liner known as HP??? That place was crawling with astroturf trolls, and that’s probably who’s swelling the ranks of FB today — new members of the posting pool for Monsanto and Booz Allen Hamilton and their ilk.

  • earth_dweller

    bwahaha — in my rant to their Tech Svce when my profile didn’t seem to be deactivating, I mentioned that Facebook was so 2012 and that Google+ would crush them anyway. I don’t know if that prediction will come true, but I read it in a blog on Forbes about coming trends in 2014, and that person knows a lot more than I do as I really know zip about it. I was Lucy_T over there and am sooo gratified at the rise of sites like this and EpochTimes as the corporate marketing scam known as “mass media” spirals downward.

  • earth_dweller

    I have only a landline, so shoot me! I’ve lived for more than 65 years without a cell phone and so far haven’t suffered in any way, so even if I WANTED to keep commenting at HP and even signed up at Facebook (about as good a chance as a snowball in h3||), I still wouldn’t be able to! I totally disengaged from HP yesterday or the day before; my profile now comes up “removed.” Thank goodness for Disqus, which works really well and is apparently not unconstitutionally invasive.– yet.

  • Wolf58

    I noticed this morning Yahoo seems to be running a lot of stories from HP mostly TMZ stuff, more than I’ve seen in the past. Of course anyone who clicks on any of them will give HP positive numbers of their web traffic of which they need .Looks like they are trying to make up for their loss due to the mass exodus of long term subscribers.

  • Sharyn G.

    Still working towards getting out fellow Huffers here! Welcome to meet Huffpugees.

  • kjdoeshk

    I didn’t see my reply so will post again, alternatives meaning news and infotainment sites, not commenting providers.

    Any suggestions?

  • Lindstr7

    Yeah, none for macs that I see, but what a great add on! Thanks.

  • Classical_Gas

    I don’t know anything about Macs – it seems to be an add-on for different browsers. Do you use Firefox or Chrome for that? I found downloads for either.

  • Sharyn G.

    Yes, they are oddly cracking down on dissent, despite being usually the first ones to call out anyone else for doing so.

    I figure, if they’re after me that badly, I must have hit the nail on the head about the drumming up new business for Facebook. Plus, I quoted Tim (the blog author) when he actually told a commenter ” you don’t have to use the account,” which PROVED its not about trolling and all about getting people to make new accounts. I even took a screen shot of his comment in case he tried to deny it later. It has since been removed. Gotcha!

    Thanks FG!

  • Lindstr7

    I don’t see it for mac :( ….

  • Classical_Gas

    Deep breaths! Detoxing can take a while.

  • Lindstr7

    Oh, I thought it said “adblock” never heard of “flashblock” (rube!) For mac too?

  • Lindstr7

    I have it…..! (still traumatized)

  • Classical_Gas

    Flashblock should take care of that, Lindstr7.

  • F. Grump

    Oh, ok, great. Well I signed up here just to let you know, that I was responding to that comment of yours, when i found I was not able to send my response in as your comment was deleted while I was writing my response. I couldn’t figure out why, as there was nothing in it that would be considered offensive to anybody. Then I posted a complaint to the thread, quoting your comment. (In an attempt to shame the administration). My complaint got erased. Well that just really curled my french fries, let me tell you.

    I realized they were pretty damn serious with this. Somebody up there does not like you. Nevertheless, I did manage to get your story out today, but in a more roundabout way. I mentioned you at least a couple of times, in response to other comments, or embedded in a larger comment. e.g. In this sub-thread:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/conversations_permalink.php?entry_id=4418630&comment_id=303407219

    and this one: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/conversations_permalink.php?entry_id=4418630&comment_id=303434111

    Later, I also tried posting a long list of alternatives to that madhouse, just to further p— off the powers that be. It included the name of this site, so that frustrated HPers might find a more welcoming community. Alas, it doesn’t look like that one’s gonna make it either. They are actually censoring their competition now – that’s how desperate they’ve become it seems. I’ll try to get that list posted somehow…

  • geesepeace

    That is really misleading…I am sure there were more people like me who could sit on HP all day, when we should be doing something else. It’s not they are so popular but some people are bored or avoiding doing other things so they spend too much time on HP. I am going to quit even looking at it.

  • SharynTG

    YES! Forrest Grump! I’m so happy you are here!!!!!!

    Very cool. I have peppered that story with links and it looks like its working! I will keep at it until I am banned!!

  • SharynTG

    I will be there until they ban me. Which may be soon. I’m over on that one thread telling everyone to GET OVER HERE! Ha. It’s working, too!!!!

  • geesepeace

    One way they are getting comments is running the same story in every country…ie the colorado shooting appears in the UK HP. I’m not sure a shooting in the USA would normally qualify as news in every other country.

  • Arbutus

    You might want to check these sites out: Democracy Now, NPR, The Guardian, Daily Kos, Alternet and Raw Story.

  • Lindstr7

    I like this one….I remember (back in the day lol) when it took forEVrrrr to load a page on that site (that shall not be named)!
    ______

    How fast does huffingtonpost load?
    Very Slow (5.057 Seconds), 93% of sites are faster.

    93%!

  • Lindstr7

    I peeked in a few hours back and the they had one of those annoying auto-play videos on the Main headline! I had to quickly hit the back button to escape! Talk about clueless. Who is running that place anyway? Do they not read the user comments expressing loathing for all their latest “upgrades.” Ugh.

  • Json

    I’d love to be a fly in the wall at the HP boardroom. I’m sure they expected some backlash, but I really doubt they expected this much.
    Its amazing to read so many stories of people with thousands of comments and fans, with years spent on HP just quitting the site.
    I think a lot of frustration had been growing with old users on just about every aspect of the site from sensationalist headlines to lousy slideshows, not to mention the terrible, slow, and unaccountable moderation.

    This new policy seems to be the straw that broke the camel’s back.

  • Lindstr7

    Wouldn’t surprise me.

  • Cynth

    Yes, in the meantime, it’s great that many of us have found each other through the various sites. :-)

  • F. Grump

    If you are anyone reading this would like to say goodbye to your fans on that article, just give me your HP handle, and I will post that for you. – Forrest D. Grump.

  • F. Grump

    By any chance, are/were you “Sharyn G.” on HP, who wrote this?:

    “And before I go, I have to repeat (since you deleted the complaint already) HOW the heck did you ever think if stay if I can only read one comment at a time on mobile? Really?”

  • kjdoeshk

    If anyone is interested in tracking HP’s historical popularity and to see how the verified commenting affects that: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/huffingtonpost.com

  • flickerKuu

    No more Huff post for me.

  • Lindstr7

    It’s surreal. The Tim McDonald blog is the only thread getting much activity. I think they gave up on moderating that thread lol. Someone else said it was like a nuke went off and people are huddling trying to figure out what just happened. HP is becoming a ghost town.

  • Darkchylde

    I’m one of the ones who was hit by not having a Facebook, who was supposed to be grandfathered in before they changed the playing field on us. No way is that cesspool of a site (Facebook) ever getting my information – even FAKE information – as that increases their bottom line. Considering their atrocious privacy practices, I’d love for them to sink faster than a decrepit old Buick flying off of a bridge. Only way to do that is to adblock everything related to them and never click a link leading there – just let them wither on the vine.

    I’ve tried the support and their appeal system at HuffPo but no dice. They don’t seem to understand the point. Some of us will never get in bed with Facebook as they did. Too bad. They climbed into that hypothetical old Buick I mentioned earlier? Sucks for them. They can sink too.

  • Json

    After a little thinking. I am gone. Deleted my account and didn’t look back.
    I thought there might a be a little box asking why I was removing my account, but I’m sure they already know.

  • TigerLily2012
  • kjdoeshk

    I have to wonder if HP is keeping some pre-verification articles current on the home and sub pages to show there are a lot of comments, the newer articles have remarkably few.

  • RF_Dude

    Please do so, Canukstani – it’s all good!

  • TigerLily2012
  • Cynth

    Hi, TigerLily! So glad you’re here…and “Followed.” I’ve been lurking on the various Disqus forums for a long time, but thought I’d jump in after this week’s HP nonsense.

  • kjdoeshk

    This happened with a few things in recent years, like Buzz Out Loud – I and many I know listened to that podcast every day.

    Then it went away and I was lost for that particular brand of Infotainment for a few days and really missed it, but wound up replacing it with other, better things.

    Not a good comparison, but Breaking Bad, now that it’s over, is a void that too will be filled, albeit with something perhaps not as good.

    I will not miss HP once I wean off it.

  • kjdoeshk

    I think (and am doing, hence my other posts here) not just deleting accounts and.or not posting is not enough, that not visiting the site is the only thing to do.

    Even without the comments, if they are getting your page hits, they are getting paid.

  • kjdoeshk

    I just realized, I like this site’s comments format much better than HP’s!

  • TigerLily2012

    Cynth from HP?

  • kjdoeshk

    I probably shouldn’t care since (one of) my FB accounts is completely fake, but I don’t like the principle that HP has chosen to sink to, and I won’t be a part of it.

    Now I need to find another place to get my Infotainment, because I not only won’t post, but don’t want them getting page hits and web traffic from me (and I already block things like Google Analytic using NoScript and other tools).

  • kjdoeshk

    I meant infotainment sites, not the comment mechanism (I’m already using Disqus to post these).

    Which are similar aggregator sites, or even better, more centered ones?

  • Canukistani

    There seems to be a number of us landing on The Epoch Times as well if I may add to your summary.

  • Lindstr7

    Never will I have second thoughts. E.V.E.R. (but thanks for the info :)

  • RF_Dude

    I obtained verification from another HPer that the ‘red button’ is still there if you wish to ‘remove your profile’.

    You will be sent an eMail notification to confirm it, but if you wish to remain deleted you need do nothing more.

    They do provide a link to re-instate your profile, if you have 2nd thoughts, but from others I have seen I believe your profile will still show as ‘removed’ when somebody tries to link to your profile-page (like to check other comments you’ve made, etc.)

  • RF_Dude

    I have not been to the next two sites, but I am told they have a lot of ex-pat HPers as well:

    Alternet. org

    http://www.rawstory. com

    Again, I
    had to separate the links with spaces to avoid the spam filter here,
    hopefully you can type these into your browser without spaces (or if you
    C&P remember to remove the spaces)

    Good luck to all.

    R.F.

  • RF_Dude

    jackholesrealm. wordpress. com – another established site, no news (yet) but many HPers from the old music nights

    planetpov. com – it was established after the AOL buyout, contains the first wave of refugees.

  • RF_Dude

    Reposting site-links for places where HP expats have migrated to in the past (links have spaces, remove spaces if you C&P or just type them into your browser)

    all-len-all. com (was having server problems this morning, but the link is good and they should be up soon

  • earth_dweller

    As though Facebook account-holders were the “gold standard” of forum posters, the cream of the crop of post writers — bwahahaha! :D

    sheesh.
    And facebook is so 2012 … HP joins the rest of the digital bird-cage liners as total fluff and marketing scam, cluttering its margins with the shiny objects of side b00bs and Kim Kardashian a$$-hattery …

  • SharynTG

    They did yesterday! I have recruited a couple people to disqus and am still trying ;)

    There will be victory.

  • LaFemmeNikitty

    You sprayed your message around pretty well. Subtle, but still to the point. I am surprised they didn’t delete the comment in the thread it counts most in!

  • geesepeace

    I like facebook for some things; there are tons of all kinds of groups and interests on there. You can create a fake name with an email you never use and you don’t have to give any phone number just to create the facebook page. You can lie about your age, don’t have to give a location. However since I don’t have a mobile phone I can’t verify my fake FB page or my real facebook page and I also do NOT intend to give HP access to my friends or newsfeed which would let them see everything I and my friends said and posted on. That is ludicrous.

  • SharynTG

    It worked? Great ! They’ve been deleting all my comments. Ha!

  • chucklc8

    I’m done with HP I was a ‘superuser’ with more than 2250 comments and 190 followers. Now because I don’t have a Facebook account and would never give them my phone number I can’t comment on HP anymore. I think It is a crazy move to isolate users like me who go on and read then discuss in a civil manner the news of the day. But that’s all over.

  • LaFemmeNikitty

    Sheeple, people who need sheeple, are the luckiest sheeple in the world … la la laaaa

    I know you from HP … I see you got a subtle promo in for disquis on the anonymity thread, good job :)

  • Quick Brown Dog

    Hi Imus. What’s your take on Alternet? They use Disqus too AFAIK.

  • Quick Brown Dog

    Thanks for the recommendations for other websites, Cynth. I wish I could tell the others on the Huff article (I actually made a text file of the usernames in my friends/fans/followers list) about other sites to go to. Hopefully the exiles all come together and start their own community someday :)

  • SharynTG

    Everything they did was a trick. Only the sheep fell for it . Huff is now in the shepherding business.

  • SharynTG

    They’re so rude. Not only do they not care about promises they made they also force people to sign up with FaceBRAG. That’s not cool. I’m
    Not
    A
    Sheep.

  • SharynTG

    No doubt. I am deaf and don’t have a cell phone or texting capability .

    Bottom line is its all for FB profiteering. New accounts, even if you don’t use them, still count as new accounts and will help their stock prices. They join the S&P 500 thus month.

  • imusintheevening

    HP has been degrading for quite some time. It was early days for everyone when I started posting there a month or two before the 2006 elections.

    Now it is just full of clickbait and ‘caters to the haters’.

    The incessant negativity encouraged and over-moderation of factual, informative posts was getting untenable. Then from September I could not log in using Chrome and had to revert to Firefox for some odd reason they could never sort out.

    This order to join a club I loathe on Tuesday was the last straw. The great thing has been finding so many of the people I like here and at ET and PPOV.

    I hope that fake progressive, in-the-closet right winger, AH suffers from her latest act of indecency.

  • SharynTG

    Also it sure generates a lot of site traffic for FB, a publicly held company who three weeks ago reported losses in accounts and less overall account activity.

    Hmm, suddenly they will have a spike in usage. Huff thinks we are too stupid to notice and their way of shoving it down our throats using pretty language is so patronizing I hope they burn.

  • SharynTG

    Glad to hear you’re not one of the sheep. They have some nerve demanding capitulation to FB, a publicly traded company who was just hacked (again) last week.

    You know this is about generating new accounts, getting more site traffic, and making money.

  • SharynTG

    We are glad you are here. Personally I refuse to be a sheep. Huff made you use FB to comment, that’s crazy. Just last week FB was hacked again and three weeks ago huff reported that their accounts were at an all time low and stock prices were falling.

    Anyone who can’t see the relationship there is blind as Oedipus at Thebes.

    Demanding people sign up for FB creates activity and new accounts for FB which translates into profit. Sick that they try to sell it to us as “civility.”

  • RF_Dude

    Cosign and Bingo!, Vega!

  • SharynTG

    Yes. Huff really didnt realize that we’d do research and figure it all out. The people who stayed are sheep, pure sheep, to blindly trust FB when just last week it was reported that they were hacked, again.

  • Vega

    same here, every time one of those “my mother makes a fortune on the internet” spams appeared and a comment I left was in the “sensitive” abyss, I would post about the spammers getting preference, it never appeared, but was immediately deleted by HP’s bot.

    the conversation format got me looking for another home, although lackadaisically, the new moderation bot was getting frustrating, the Facebook smack in the face resulted in an immediate deletion of my account yesterday.

  • RF_Dude

    I deleted mine on Tuesday night. I did notice that the profile was ‘removed’ but I was still logged-in. I logged-out but have not since tried to log-in.

    One of the drivers for me was removing the link to my comment-history on the off chance that a future ‘improvement’ at HP went back and tacked the name associated with the account onto all of my past comments ala’ what happened to those who chose the FB-verification path.

    I trust them with absolutely nothing anymore.

  • Cynth

    Thanks, and welcome! I’m glad we’re reforming our community here and other Disqus sites, on PlanetPOV, and elsewhere. Hope you’ll stick around! :-)

  • FactsSaveLives

    I have stopped commenting on HuffPo because I have no intention of giving Facebook my phone number.

  • imusintheevening

    will our gravitas avatars show up on disqus eventually?

  • imusintheevening

    Just arrived at Epoch Times and Planet POV today.

    Live PPOV for original content and ET for news aggregation. Lots of us liberated HP refugees showing up.

  • Cynth

    Ah, the influx of HP refugees…

  • Cynth

    Hi, there! Glad to see you’re on this thread — hope you’ll stick around here, on Raw Story, or one of the sites that uses Disqus (and on PlanetPOV)

    To your question, I doubt AH cares one whit. This is about profits and power. At least there are alternatives to HP for us and it will be interesting to see what happens there…

  • Vega

    EpochTimes reports Disqus is having some issues with the new volume …… be patient is their advice.

  • earth_dweller

    I’m with you on that one, bro. I posted more than 2250 comments since March 2012 but deleted my account yesterday — and also advised I was now an ex-READER as well.

  • Vega

    when did you try to delete your account? I was able to delete mine yesterday morning, and a member checked for mine today, its gone. I can still log in under my old account but there is no profile, avitar, fans, friends ect.

  • undsoweiter

    Before they instituted the Carousels of Doom, there would have been thousands.

  • Guest

    Someone should start a HuffPost community ON Diaspora :-)

    Diaspora.org is the open-source Facebook. Basically it’s like WordPress.org vs. WordPress.com — roll your own and share the fun :)

  • Guest

    ZOMG, Huffnpuff would never let you use a George Carlin word in your comment!

    If I could, I’d Fan/Fave you just for that :)

  • Guest

    It has nothing to do with bullying either. Anytime someone screams “think of the children” you know it’s a red herring for something else. Or should I say a Trojan Horse?

  • Guest

    So much for Greek-style democracy.

  • Guest

    But I have no one else to talk to outside of HP. I have no friends in real life and my family are either borderline retarded or borderline fascists. False News is on 24/7 and I used to claim sanctuary at the welcoming community of Huff. Now I have nowhere to go. I’m practically suicidal because “it’s Christmastime, I have no friends.”

  • Guest

    Try criticizing Miley. You’ll get torches and pitchforks and Arianna on a wooden horse.

  • Guest

    I wonder about the celebrity bloggers, though. Alec Baldwin already got permabanned from MSNBC, and John Cusack HAAAAAAATES the N.S.A.!

  • Lindstr7

    someone is pulling our collective leg

  • Guest

    Unfortunately, the anonymous form still requires you to post a link to your Facebook account. I am one of the desperate ones who created a dummy one only to find out that I can’t verify it because I don’t have a mobile phone. Off to delete my fake Facebook now. :-)

  • Guest

    But I don’t have “real life.” It’s incompatible with my social system ;-)

  • Guest

    Cynthia, you’re a really cool dancer. :) So happy to see another disaffected Huff user here. I had no idea this was even being covered in other press. Glad to see other people feel the same way :)

  • Guest

    Cynthia!!! djzebbie aka QBD here! I can’t comment on the Facebook requirement over there because, well, I don’t have a Facebook and can’t comment there! Why is Arianna shooting herself in the foot? Does she really not care?

  • Guest

    I don’t know what to do. I have no other social communities — even offline — besides HuffPost. I have no friends, no family (that I want to talk to), and live in a remote area where 8th grade reading skills make you practically a genius. I also don’t have a mobile phone and refuse to use Facebook. Where else can I go? Please, no disses about being a basement dweller or a loser. I am very shy and self-conscious, but that’s even more understandable when talking about controversial subjects. Potential employers might not “like” my views on this or that and can, unfortunately, simply refuse to hire me if they see my name associated with comments that don’t toe the line in terms of what they support. An example would be working for Chick Fillet and supporting LGBT equality. Not that I’d want to work for Chick Fillet, but you get the idea. #foreveralone

  • RF_Dude

    Oops – my reply (above) was to you, Lindstr7, but it applies across the board.

  • RF_Dude

    Not surprising – the outflow on Tuesday and Wednesday must have been staggering! There was still a ‘red button’ in my profile preferences when I closed my account Tuesday night.

    They’ve been tagging EVERY comment in your history with your name IF you register with FB there. Not, NOT, cool!

    Wish you luck if truly they have chained the exit door shut – I sense a class-action lawsuit if they prevent users from deleting their profiles (dunno how or when, but it’s a drastic move IMHO)

  • maxbianco

    Greetings…
    After 5 years hundreds of friends and over a thousand comments I have deleted my huffpost account. I’m deeply offended by their heavy handed ness…
    Whatever aol touches turns to trash.
    Let the adventure continue….

  • ottlh

    Yup. Still waiting for them to respond to my email request to be deactivated. Crickets.

  • undsoweiter

    I hadn’t seen that. So I’m a prisoner of Huffpost? They’re holding us hostage?.

  • Lindstr7

    From what I’ve been reading here, they’ve removed the option to delete your account. Fun!

  • undsoweiter

    My account is still there, un-Facebooked. Let them dump it.

  • Cynth

    Yes, I was happy to see you and “Follow” you here in Disqus. Getting to feel more like the old community, before the influx of AOL’ers and the ensuing noise. Cheers!

  • Json

    Are you talking about a paid moderator or a “Community moderator” I actually had a CM2 badge which means I could theoretically delete comments I thought were offensive.
    But the dirty little secret is that it (like much of HP) doesn’t work a lot of the time. At one time it worked (back when you could see the number of flags if anyone remembers that on a comment) but in the last year or two, it almost never worked properly.

    I would hit delete on a something offensive or spam and it would stay up anyway. (The irony being that I often was falesly accused of deleting comments because people could see my badge)

    Who cares now…?

  • Json

    Plenty of people saw it and thought it was a terrible idea. But the response was muted because they deliberately lied to us about grandfathering.

  • Jrlh

    Probably have a list of screen names and avatars, pasted somewhere for future reference.

  • Jrlh

    I agree with you 100% even if it is from the other side of the political spectrum. It always seemed HP had an agenda, and if you did not fit it whether from the left or the right…You were moderated out of the conversation to some extent.

  • Lindstr7

    desperate times, desperate measures. Good sign!

  • ottlh

    They’re also making it harder for people who want to deactivate their profiles. I tried earlier and they removed the option.

  • Lindstr7

    (warm and fuzzy feeling!)

  • dvncmdy

    my pleasure pardnar

  • Lindstr7

    I’m really loving Disqus. Thanks!

  • Lindstr7

    Got it….thanks!

  • dvncmdy

    You have two followers…I am one of them…. :)

  • ottlh

    You hover over the icon for the person you you want to fan and click the follow button. If you go to your Disqus profile you’ll be able to see who you’re following and what they’re saying around different sites with Disqus commenting

  • dvncmdy

    You can’t really fan but you can follow. Click on the user name and you can hit follow

  • Lindstr7

    I keep hearing talk of “fanning” here. How is it done? Don’t see it.

  • dvncmdy

    said what?

    Tee hee……what a marvelous and sneaky idea……..

  • dvncmdy

    I think you’re right

  • Lindstr7

    Wouldn’t it be grand if Anonymous chose Friday the 13th to visit HP (shhhh, I didn’t say that)

  • dvncmdy

    They’ve sold their soul…Capitalist P I G S

  • TheRewd

    I also read that now everything is linked to Facebook. Example: The list of popular stories in the right column is based on Facebook likes, each with it’s own little “like” button as is apparently every item on the page. I can’t verify that now since I’m deleted, but I never noticed it before.

    If any of you are back there visiting I’d take a look at the blogs on tech and social, seems there are several extolling the virtues of Facebook for both personal and professional needs.

    “Civility” my Aunt Fanny …

  • TheRewd

    I like that idea.

  • TheRewd

    My conspiracy theory dashed. Who knew? Thanks.

  • irishred

    I guess it wasn’t me after all. I now post without that annoying red error.

  • irishred

    yep

  • Lindstr7

    (I also think their staff must be stretched keeping up with the sudden influx of comments.)

  • Lindstr7

    Excellent Idea. What shall it be named?

  • Lindstr7

    did you to verify via email?

  • irishred

    I’m having problems posting replies. Every time I click to post, I get the red message wanting me to authenticate author…. I’m already signed in Disqus.

  • geesepeace

    HP was turning into a rag anyhow; I deleted my account several times before because I thought they were putting pure National Enquirer type garbage on their front page…also most of their bloggers are juvenile beyond belief. Someone should start a facebook we can post stories on and comment on……..

  • geesepeace

    Turning the Page on Your Rights to Privacy: The Future of HuffPost Comments

    The Huffington Post will receive the following info:

    your public profile,

    friend list,

    email address,

    News Feed,

    birthday,

    interests,

    current city,

    personal description and likes.

  • Major Bumtickle

    Thank you, Jeff. I signed in this morning :-) I’m also at The Epoch Times checking that site out as well. I closed my account at HP, and it felt good!

  • Lindstr7

    We are legion! (welcome)

  • Lindstr7

    I agree. Unfortunately HP was well aware of the bonds being formed and they took full advantage of that hoping people would miss HP enough that they’d be willing to sacrifice their privacy. For those who gave in, they succeeded, but for those who abandoned their accounts at HP, they badly miscalculated (and we are legion ;-)

  • dvncmdy

    Welcome…we’re here and at Epoch Times!

  • VirginiaJeff

    Hi Major Bumtickle! I don’t think my last reply came through, so I’ll try again. You might check out Daily Kos. It features some good, original commentary. They don’t screen comments at all, but abusive posts (and abusive posters) can be voted off. Definitely read the guidelines. It also lets you post your own original articles, which can then be voted up by other readers.

  • ChesapeakePirate

    Hey, WL! I missed you!!

  • ChesapeakePirate

    Hey, Irish… I was one of those fans! Maybe we’re not HP ‘refugees,’ but a new type of gypsy-commenter.

  • Lindstr7

    There are “good” flags and “bad” flags from what i understand. A good flag means it was flagged for violating TOS. The bad flags are the ones flagged just because someone disagrees or didn’t like the comment. Flagging one who disagrees with you would be a “bad” flag. (yep they keep track!)

  • irishred

    I’ve been on Huffington Post since 2009. Already over 1000 of my fans have left. I’ve been thinking of leaving HP for awhile now. Lately more than half of my comments there have been either not posted or deleted and why, I don’t know. It’s not like I’m a newbie who don’t know how to write flagged free acceptable comments. After all, I’ve been commenting on HP since 2009. The real kicker before the FB fiasco was that HP moderators let in spam comments all the time. I wrote several comments complaining about it but not one of those got posted. It take me awhile to write thoughtful comments and to see spam get first preference over mine led me to almost want to leave until now. This latest fiasco about HP demanding FB account and cell phone number is the last straw. I am now going over to HP and close my account.

  • Lindstr7

    They did make an announcement in August, but no one saw the article (if there even was one on HP).

  • ChesapeakePirate

    I truly made a lot of friends on HP. There are (were) some really nice and gifted people there and I was able to learn a lot from them and their posts. We’d trade barbs on occasion, sometimes find a long and quiet thread somewhere to have one on one conversations and it was a really good time.

  • dvncmdy

    Hahahaha……I think they’re a bit overwhelmed. One of the moderators welcomed us and asked for some patience since the exodus. It was a very nice comment…..I think both of these sites will be a great way to continue with people we have met at HP.

  • ChesapeakePirate

    I’m in ‘moderation’ at the other one right now. Yikes!! Sounds like HP all over again. Don’t know what I said that would have hit the moderation bit, though.

  • dvncmdy

    After I found this place yesterday I was actually happy…..

  • dvncmdy

    You are absolutely right!

  • VirginiaJeff

    Hi, UCBAlum! You might look at Daily Kos (named for its founder, Markos.) It’s a progressive site with some high-caliber original commentary about the day’s big stories. (The Kos site even earned an incoherent rant from Bill O’Reilly.) It does not pre-screen its comments, but abusive posts (and posters) can be voted off. You can even write and post your own commentary, which then can be voted up by other readers into a featured piece. http://www.dailykos.com

  • TheRewd

    I’ve been a registered Democrat since day one in 1976, more centrist than anything, but for discussion sake I’m a Contrarian or Devil’s Advocate. I found that even questioning or poking holes in the Liberal/Progressive orthodoxy at HP would get my comments deleted whether before or after posting. Got to the point of “why bother”.

  • dvncmdy

    Yes….I’m going back and forth between these two…..

    :)

  • ChesapeakePirate

    I know of other award winning journalists, judges, some politicians, police, whistle-blowers, etc. who’ve left !!! It’s a hell of a ‘brain drain.’ If somebody’s wise enough to get them all back together commenting on their site, they’ll have one heck of a great team!

  • ChesapeakePirate
  • ChesapeakePirate

    HP has turned into a bunch of morons. If we commenters didn’t like each other so much, we’d have all left HP over their idiot moderating policies a year ago.

  • TheRewd

    Accuracy or Huffington Post Accuracy? I’m sure by simply flagging right-of-center remarks you could easily meet the criteria for the latter.

  • dvncmdy

    and then there was this post

    “Most of us who are still here are huddling together on this thread and not commenting anywhere else. Personally, I’ve lost my zest for Huff.”

  • dvncmdy

    Just read this post on HP “If I were another site I would be advertising “Come join us, we value your opinion and privacy.”

  • ChesapeakePirate

    Hey, anybody awake here?

  • Lindstr7

    I would bet that HP is busy “scrubbing” any links that lead to sites like Poynter and Epochtimes or any site that may have articles about the huge drop in users at HP and the mass exodus after 12/11/13. Here’s an article about scrubbing from New York Magazine. (or am I just getting paranoid.)

    http://nymag.com/news/features/online-reputation-management-2013-6/

  • dvncmdy

    The more I think I about it the more I think you have a great point….but I still think people on the net are very resourceful….and will somehow find us regardless of their devious hindrances. We’re like the Resistance of being able to write freely……I feel like such and anarchist! hahahahaha

  • FDRliberal

    Yes likewise – good to see you as well…It would be fun to see their site continue to plummet in the rankings, getting what they deserve.

  • dvncmdy

    That’s true! I only found the one story and that led me here!

  • TechYes

    It’s worth more to them than any fee they could levy.

  • Lindstr7

    Offering up your information is a form of pay.

  • dvncmdy

    Ha! They are a lot alike, aren’t they? Brunettes, annoying speakers, phony….

  • TechYes

    At least one former HP regular says his account is still open and connected through FB, but when he tries to post he gets a message saying he’s banned.

  • Lindstr7

    Here’s the article about internet “scrubbing.”

    http://nymag.com/news/features/online-reputation-management-2013-6/

  • jcinco

    good to see you! I think I’ve gotten through withdrawal rather nicely. Seeing folks like you who feel the same way confirms I made the right choice in deleting my account.

  • TheRewd

    I just had a thought. Anyone else think this is only a step towards Huffington Post having paid memberships? The whole ” you can fan and fave but can’t communicate without being a member” is how most social sites work.

    YES DAMMIT I VISITED DATING SITES IN MY DAY, lol.

  • Lindstr7

    My guess is that that’s why we’re not seeing any links when googling. I read a story about it in New York Magazine a while back. I’ll try to find the link for that as well. You can literally “scrub” your past google history to erase negative links.

  • TechYes

    Why else do you think they made the switch and THEN announced it?? So nobody would be able to challenge them on it UNLESS they first complied with the mandatory FB rule. Sneaky and underhanded work from the Land of Civility.

  • jcinco

    she’s the sarah palin of on-line “news” sites. :) the great divider.

  • dvncmdy

    Interesting and scary…but I’d like to see them try…. :)

    Thanks for sharing!

  • jcinco

    agreed, I’m done with them. Good to see you too. I feel a lot less frustration since the break-up. I found myself being very angry when they would post articles about the president and then let the trolls run rampant with their racist, horrid comments. I would try to comment how outrageous it was only to have my comment never post.

  • JainDohNYC

    oh I just replied to you upthread. yes, they have some paid mods but nowhere near enough. and the ones they have are ridiculously underpaid and overworked. they try to recruit posters to do some modding for them…..and “pay” them with virtual badges. which is virtually insane, IMO.

  • dvncmdy

    Yes….I am sure they do. But where there is a will, there’s a way. We are finding each other once again my friend….even Arianna herself can’t keep us apart!

  • jcinco

    it has been an abusive relationship for awhile now. I’m just glad I broke-up with them & walked away. We’re all too good for them anyway. :)

  • TechYes

    Place and time, Rewd. Place and time.

  • Lindstr7
  • JainDohNYC

    well, they definitely have some paid mods, just not enough. and since they’re notoriously cheap, they won’t hire anymore. esp if they can get their users to do the modding for them…..

  • TechYes

    Agreed. Most of the threads show lots of the same names. Huffington Post has become Huffington Ghost Town.

  • dvncmdy

    Great to see ya! Even if they did I wouldn’t go back….they can kiss my arse

  • jcinco

    we can only hope.

  • jcinco

    they probably have google by the short hairs somehow.

  • TheRewd

    I posted to a story about a recipe and got the “due to the sensitive nature” alert, lmao.

  • jcinco

    me too..I suppose I’m secretly fantasizing that they will apologize, admit their mistake and beg us to come back. That’s as likely as that bad-boy love-of-our-life when we were 18 crawling back begging our forgiveness. .

  • TechYes

    AND their FB partner in crime.

  • TechYes

    Hey there, FDR! Good to see another HP ex-pat! Totally agree with your statement. The comments sections and the community of regular posters there was the biggest attraction of that site. The few comments sections I looked at in the last couple days are basically reduced to homogenized pablum.

  • TheRewd

    boohiss

  • dvncmdy

    Hahahahahahaha……I love it!

  • Lindstr7

    We need a “deep throat” to report back to us. Someone who actually works at HP. This is war!

  • dvncmdy

    I’m just curious by nature…and it’s almost become compulsive to go back and check every hour or so to see the comments on Tim McDonalds story. It’s really pathetic. There are some that are sticking with it but their posts seem so hopeless. I keep wanting to reply to one of their sad posts and say come over to here….but then remember I can’t anymore. Old habits are hard to break. I will at some point stop looking at the train wrack that is HP.

  • Lindstr7

    Do they even hire mods? Or just invite users to become mods. I’m sure they’ve got their support staff busy 24/7 “scrubbing” any links on google that lead to negative publicity for this takeover. My guess is that they may have at one point hired their mods but segued into inviting users (which may explain why many of my comments never showed up on the threads) to take their place. We need a “deep throat” to report back to us from inside the bunker.

  • TheRewd

    Don’t just look at the number of comments, look at the number of people making them. That’s key, and it’s way down.

  • JainDohNYC

    definitely. I’ve only been using it for 2 hours and it’s FAR AND AWAY better than HP’s new crap format.
    HP wanted diversity of thought years ago; now, not so much. the new HP/AOL behemoth is more interested in making $$, and Arianna is more interested in global domination. I wonder when she’ll launch HP Papua, New Guinea??

  • jcinco

    I love disqus. I’ve been with them almost as long as hp. I was jcinco then stardust memories at hp after being banned. I walked out after deleting my account on wednesday with others.

  • jcinco

    fourth!

  • TheRewd

    Yep, and Facebook joins S&P on December 20th …

  • dvncmdy

    How exactly can they do that?

  • Jrlh

    Yea, HP acted like they wanted diversity of thought, and then did not approve of spirited debate?….It had to be a money thing….Otherwise it makes no sense.
    Although as far as am am concerned, Disqus is the only way to fly….I am sure the more people using it, the more sites will use them as their comment handlers.

  • Lindstr7

    I was just thinking the same thing. But they’re already trying to do something about it by hiring “scrubbers” to suppress any links that might lead to those complaining about their new policy.

  • FDRliberal

    Good to see that HP’s traffic is down. They seriously underestimated the worth of the comments sections. That is what certainly made me go there, far more than most of their joke ‘reports’ or re-printing of AP articles.

  • TheRewd

    I think it was national news solely because those in the media are part of the HP clique, it was news to them so it made the news.

  • RF_Dude

    That’s OK Trilby16 – to each their own. Jack’s is more of a social thing, the other sites (and this one) have newslinks and are more like the HP of old.

  • dvncmdy

    hahahahha

  • TheRewd

    Washington Post has a seriously poor commenting interface. I rarely post there, usually just a drive by comment now and then. It was my hometown for years so I look in now and then. You have to hand it to HP they did have a good system for comments that garnered them a loyal membership but with all the heavy handed moderating and now this move not so much. I’ll be looking around at other sites to see if anything looks appealing.

  • dvncmdy

    How much would anyone bet HP is at these sites to see what us deserters are saying about them……and they can’t do a frigging thing about it.

  • FDRliberal

    Nice to see you….I have a few sites I normally just lurk on that use Disqus…I guess we’ll have to spread the love around. Lol

  • missjulz

    a pox upon them. ;)

  • dvncmdy

    No doubt turning out to be a very unlucky day for HP

  • Lindstr7

    Happy Friday the 13th everyone!

  • FDRliberal

    Daily Kos is a good site, if you are a Democrat that is. I used to like HP in order to debate with the TP’ers, Libertarians, and others.

  • Trilby16

    They are just posting bits of gibberish there.

    Sorry, this is making me crabby.

  • missjulz

    We are all the HP diaspora now. ;)

  • missjulz

    LOL :)

  • dvncmdy

    Yes! I know that whenever I tried to tell people how she used to boast about being a Republican my comments would never post. Notzi Beeatch that she is

  • Trilby16

    DailyKos is trying to welcome HuffPo refugees but figuring out how to use that site? I already have a job! It feels very “in-crowd” over there. Discouraging.

  • Lindstr7

    So right. The users built HP and they thank them/us by selling our info as a commodity. On the upside, I’m learning about lots of new sites that I’d have not found if not for this move on HP. So, thanks HP for getting me off my (virtual) butt and seeing what else is out there (like PlanetPOV, Epochtimes, and Poynter among others I’m still learning about).

  • JainDohNYC

    excellent idea! “When Commenters are Displaced From Their Natural Habitats: Tales of Digital Encroachment.”

  • TechYes

    missjulz! Hey there! The notion that the nickel posters and trolls on HP won’t follow commenters to their FB page is as ludicrous as it is naive. HP is setting up the entire commenting community for this type of thing. For that and other reasons associated with FB, I said “Hell NO!” too.

  • JainDohNYC

    she’s horrible. a total fraud. it’s crazy that people think she’s a liberal…. she’s only liberal about things like women’s rights and gay rights. when it comes to money or capitalism (or a whole host of other issues)?? she’s not much different than a Koch-ster.
    she’s run HP like a sweatshop. half their troll problems could’ve been solved if she were willing to hire more moderators. but she’s too cheap for that. besides, if she did hire more, she’d have no pretense for forcing users to use FB in order to “increase civility.”
    people like Breitbart and Rupert are her social circle, people don’t seem to realize that. another thing Arianna’s done REALLY well over the years is quash any public criticism of her via SEO. there was a bunch of stuff written about how horrible she is, and all of it’s been buried on google. I might try and dig some it up, see if I can post links here!

  • geesepeace

    Thankyou I will check that out.

  • Lindstr7

    I would imagine that HP has their entire support staff busy “scrubbing” anything that has to do with this takeover from Google. (And it is a takeover imo.) The voices that MADE HP what it is today are now muted because they refuse to sell out to the nefariously omnipresent FB. The VOICE of HP was the people who commented there and we made it mainstream, a household name. It was a measuring stick and a sounding board for those making policy but now the only people who will be represented are those who sold out to Facebook. It goes against everything I thought HP stood for but in the end….it’s just a business. Sad.

  • missjulz

    It might become a fascinating yet predictable anthropological study: How a community reacts to being dismantled.

    Even in the virtual world this was a community nonetheless. And what do you know? People don’t like their communities ruined.

  • dvncmdy

    Arianna’s a fraud. Her and Breitbart. I’ll never forget the when Breitbart passed away….no one could comment unless you said something nice about the guy…and who could? we wound up going to other threads to vent about how horrible he was….

  • Lindstr7

    Was just in an exchange with someone here who said he was asked by HP to be a moderator. I’m not sure they actually have paid moderators on their staff but rather “invite” HP users who have a high “flagging” ratio (good flags) and invite them to be mods. What gets my goat is that it was WE users who built HP and made it the powerhouse that it is today and this is the thanks we get? I hope they tank and it won’t be soon enough when they do. I

    jake481
    18 hours ago…..I should also mention Huffpo asked me to be a moderator just recently and now i can’t even post there?

    ReplyLindstr7 to jake481
    17 hours ago

    Out of curiosity, are all their
    mods from their online community? I thought they hired people to do
    that. What did they offer you to be a mod?

    jake481 to Lindstr7
    3 hours ago
    First they contacted me to tell
    me my “flagging” accuracy percentage was particularly high and that my
    “flags” would have 5xs the “weight” of other posters and that eventually
    I’d be able to delete other peoples posts myself. I really had no interest on doing that.

  • dvncmdy

    I was shaken one day when I saw my real name responded to me on one of my posts. That someone actually knew who was freaked me out. I finally figured out that it someone who knew me where I live and figured me out by my user name….I use it for other things as well. He was just clever. I can only imagine what it would be like for everyone to figure out who I am. I stand by my comments but I sure don’t need the world to know me personally.

  • Popgirl

    Agreed. I have now left HuffPo. I don’t want my identity known on a site where I make comments regarding all kinds of subjects/ I am always respectful, but my identity is nobody’s business past what I choose to disclose in a post regarding my life or life experiences. What a disappointment and a huge mistake, I believe.

  • JainDohNYC

    I hear ya. I saw a lot of changes there over 8 yrs, but always stayed for 2 reasons: they had a great commenting platform and I liked the people. I never minded the trolls THAT much (and most of them came from AOL anyway, after HP actively recruited them).
    but since they changed the format, trying to post there was just ridiculous. and the FB thing was just the final kick in the head for me. I strongly suspect HP will feel the pain of this….

  • GallopingGoat

    A few huff users have congregated on the epoch times. I am another refugee – what a shame they ruined HP – I’ve enjoyed being a part of it for the last five years.

  • TechYes

    POV doesn’t use Disqus (wish they did!), so try again maybe?

  • Lindstr7

    (love POV but for some reason I can’t log in. It keeps telling me to verify through my email but I don’t recall ever signing up with them and can’t find an email from them. I’m wondering if my signup is linked with Disqus, but don’t know how to correct this…any thoughts?) Thanks.

  • missjulz

    You know, at first I was mad about the facebook thing because of personal security.

    Today I’m more po’d about how they’re lying to all of us re: the rationale of “civility”. It’s like they’re saying “we think you are just that stupid that you will buy this”.

    Insult to injury and today I feel even better about canceling.

    Hey HP, you didn’t build that!

  • Cynth

    Well, there is here [:-)] and the various sites that use DISQUS; and RFDude has kiindly listed some others, below.

  • missjulz

    Yes, I see you have migrated here as well and planet pov.

    Personally I hated the new format at HP and stopped commenting as much for the last few months anyhow, then noticed the overbearing moderation, and now this. With 3800 accumulated fans and after five years I don’t regret leaving at all. Plus I think it’s obvious they are lying through their teeth about the rationale and that’s insulting as hell.

  • Lindstr7

    They do seem to have a lock down on the search engine results don’t they. There are “scrubbers” at work here!

  • JainDohNYC

    haha, cheers for that! and welcome :)

  • aquarius2

    Hit the enter button, it will go to the next line. Hit it again for double space.

  • aquarius2

    I knew I could not be the only person angry with Huffington Post’s new comment guideline. I had to go to page 4 on a Google search to find any sign of written discontent. Is it too insane to think Huffington Post holds sway over Google,but that is not my issue for today.

    I have been more than mildly upset over the past few months by the moderation issues at HP. The last addition of “due to sensitive issues your comment may be delayed” or similar wording has me grinding my teeth. I was beginning to grow weary of seeing this line. The pending number on many article comments exceeded the actual number of comments. But if I thought this was annoying, I had a bigger surprise waiting for me.

    Two days ago when I went to comment I got the notice, as many others, that I had to verify my authenticity with Facebook. I thought this very odd but thought what the heck. I went through the process UNTIL I got to the part where Facebook demanded my cell phone number. What? I reread it and sure enough, I had to supply a cell phone number. Now this is where I draw the line. Under no circumstances would I give out my cell phone number, especially to Facebook. With the privacy issues at Facebook (even though they swear it’s all fixed) why would anyone be willing to give out their cell number? Also, what happens if you don’t have a cell phone or a cell phone with text ability?

    HP, which I think is subtly turning right, has gone too far. Actually, Facebook has, in my opinion, gone too far. Facebook is like a giant octopus snaring every independent site. Everyone seems to be jumping on this, use Facebook band wagon.

    That is my rant for today. I left Huffington Post and am looking for a new hang out. Any ideas would be appreciated.

  • JainDohNYC

    for years, HP’s tried to make us log-in thru FB. and anyone who pimped HP out across FB and other social media sites were rewarded with dog biscuits, i mean….. with badges. now instead of letting people VOLUNTARILY pimp for them, they’re forcing users to do it. well, this girl won’t trick for anyone….least of all anyone named Arianna or Zuck.

  • JainDohNYC

    ok, I give up – how do you double-space on here??

  • JainDohNYC

    oh, I’ve had stalkers as well. it’s part of the reason I guard my privacy so much (plus, as a new yorker, my natural state is semi-paranoia anyway)! it’s nice to see you, missjulz – I know we were fans over there, so welcome!

  • missjulz

    as someone who had an online stalker who hacked my fb account, contacted my family and was decidedly mentally ill- I totally get it. I cannot imagine a worse decision for a heated political forum than to allow all of us to be tracked basically! There’s a “no” and there’s a “hell no”.

  • JainDohNYC

    yea, they’re incredibly nice and friendly there. they’re all expats too!

  • TechYes

    What a nice bunch of people they are, too! Welcomed this HuffPo ex-pat with open arms!

  • JainDohNYC

    yeah, I wasn’t leaving there without letting them know exactly how I felt (well, within the limits of what would actually post). thanks for the suggestions on other sites.
    one thing I always liked about HP – they’re the best online news aggregator. but their content quality has deteriorated so much in 2 yrs, it’s astounding. anyway, it’s nice to know that we’re all looking for new digital homes and can suggest sites to each other.

  • RF_Dude

    Today the all-len-all site seems to be having server access problems – it was up yesterday when I posted this, perhaps a temporary glitch from a huge influx of expat-HPers?? ;-) The other links are good, and again many thanks to Poynter for providing this forum for us to gather.

  • Lindstr7

    Interesting. I had thought they hired actual staff to do that. Thanks.

  • dvncmdy

    If I were still on HP I would have done the same, I am soooooooooooooo done with them!

  • JainDohNYC

    what’s less hilarious, IMO, is how well HP’s locked down their SEO. searching for things like “HP critics” or “users leave HP” or any variation you can think of over the past 2 days, yields pages and pages of links to HP stories only. maybe I should’ve tried duckduckgo.com or something other than google to search….

  • RF_Dude

    Hi Jain, I saw many of your posts on the ‘Death of Anonymity’ thread there, priceless!

    We’re all in transition, many other sites await for us that offer a troll-free (or at least limited-troll) environment, free exchange of conversation and ideas. Like HP used to offer, but will never be again.

    There are links to some good sites downthread, additionally jackholesrealm.wordpress.com has a lot of long-time HPers.

    Congratulations on finding this place, and best luck on your internet explorations.

  • JainDohNYC

    oh, I remember when they started PlanetPOV, after the merger. I even posted there a few times. thanks for the reminder!

  • JainDohNYC

    cheers :) it’s really nice to see so many familiar faces (so to speak). there are a bunch of others still on HP searching for us….. I’ve tried posting this link there, but won’t hold my breath.

  • JainDohNYC

    hey there, cynth. good to see you too! i’ll look for RFDude’s post – he was a friend of mine there as well.

  • Cynth

    Great to see you and great post. And RFDude has provided a community service by listing the other sites, below.

  • Cynth

    I agree. I like discussing issues, questioning ideas, and having my own tested, as well, and I found plenty of it there. After the AOL acquisition and the influx of people who were less knowledgeable, I found the quality of the discussions diminished; however, there were still opportunities to engage people. Since the policy change, the site has been pretty lame, with bland posts, less interesting discussions, and the some remaining long-timers and pundits sharing their thoughts to less engaged members. It’s sad to see an erosion of something good.

  • tpartynitwit

    They lost long-standing commenters like Coinyer101 “The King of Doobiestan,” a Community Moderator with 10,000 fans. Poof! Gone in an instant. This will be a classic case study of how to not treat your internet audience, and a boon to more serious, substantive sites. Alas, I’ll never know the seven things I’m doing wrong with yogurt!

  • dvncmdy

    Hey you! You know what they say….Better Late than Never. Good to see ya! Great pst by way!

  • JainDohNYC

    i see i’m late to the party here….I see lots of familiar names, tho. add me to the growing list of HP refugees (I posted there for almost 8 yrs as OutToLunch).
    truth is, the site’s gone seriously downhill since the merger in Feb 2011, which lots of us foresaw. but here’s the irony of HP’s situation now: there HAS been a serious influx of trolls over the past 2 1/2 yrs, and most of them from AOL. HP not only encouraged AOLers to come, they actively recruited them with ridiculously inflammatory ledes there. they’d post a scary-looking pic of Obama with something like, “Will He Take Your Guns?” and a link to a story on HP, ensuring that AOL’s largely older & white users would be sufficiently angry and worked up by the time they commented.
    and now HP claims they’re trying to bring “civility” to their site?? they’ve done everything in their power to encourage trolls there, yet seem genuinely surprised that the level of discourse has deteriorated.
    of course, the easiest way to address the problem is one that’s been suggested repeatedly: hire more moderators! but because Arianna doesn’t want to pay anyone, that’s not an option. they’d rather make a deal with FB and sacrifice their longtime community to the gods of data collection.
    the past 3 months have been horrible, now that they’ve scaled for mobile. “unwieldy” doesn’t begin to describe the format change. but “an utterly exhausting exercise in futility” DOES describe the commenting process there now.
    anyhoo, that’s my rant. wish I’d found you 2 days ago (HP’s really gotten their SEO down pat. i REALLY had to search for this article). to all the familiar names and faces here….. cheers! it’s nice to see people landing on other forums…..

  • Trilby16

    Me too as well. It’s about the only satisfaction you can get!

  • Trilby16

    Ooh! i forgot about Raw Story. Raw Story, here I come.

  • Trilby16

    Can’t get enough of those persistent sidebars! Right up there with sticky nav bars (which you can get rid of using Ad-Blocker, FYI).

  • SharynTG

    Ha ha ha. Good one.

  • tpartynitwit

    The Irish eventually forget everything but a grudge. This crass, back-stabbing move by Fluffpo is unforgivable.

  • tpartynitwit

    Third.

  • tigerp

    I go out of my way not to discuss politics or religion on facebook – I feel that those who wish to engage in the political dialogue have many outlets to do so without bringing the battle to social networks. So ta ta for now, HuffPo!

  • tpartynitwit

    I kept waiting for them to cover Ken Yay and Kim Meh on their weekly library visit, but it was all in vain.

  • tpartynitwit

    Ditto to all that, I cancelled within seconds of realizing what they’ve done.

  • tpartynitwit

    Admittedly, I’ve been enjoying taunting them via the “send us scoops” function, but will keep it to one per day now. Thanks for the heads up, and to Huffpo, I say “monetize this, scumbags!”

  • jake481

    First they contacted me to tell me my “flagging” accuracy percentage was particularly high and that my “flags” would have 5xs the “weight” of other posters and that eventually I’d be able to delete other peoples posts myself.

    I really had no interest on doing that.

  • TechYes

    Here, of course, but also PlanetPOV (lots of former HPers there) and RawStory (also lots of HP refugees around).

  • TechYes

    I’ve used Disqus on other sites, and you’re absolutely correct: they ARE responsive to their users, and the moderation is light and well-placed.

  • TechYes

    Agreed!

  • TechYes

    Thanks for the heads-up, Wolf. Now that I’m living outside the HuffBox, I’m finding lots of other interesting progressive sites – and coming across lots of HuffPo ex-pats as well! I won’t provide them any more clicks to boost their numbers.

  • TechYes

    Don’t know if you’re aware of it or not, but explore.org (run by Annenberg) is a site you might like as a nature/geese lover. Lots of live cams showing animals in their natural habitats. Be warned though: it’s real nature, not the Disney version, but quite addictive and gratifying as well.

  • dvncmdy

    YES! soooooo wonderful! HP did us all a favor…we’re finding new and exciting things!

  • TechYes

    explore.org is run by Annenberg and features live cams of different animals in their natural habitats. Addictive!

  • TechYes

    Did a quick check of the main at HuffPo this morning. Only 3 stories have more than 1,000 commments, and two of those have been up for more than 24 hours. Traffic is waaay down, and most articles have just a handful of comments.

  • geesepeace

    I used to use my real name believing I could back up anything I said and that anything I said I would say in public, BUT then in a discussion on a subject I care a lot about someone googled my name, found tons of comments I had made and info about me on the internet and used that to amateurly profile me. I belonged to an injured workers group therefore it followed I was a liar trying to steal money from WCB…and according to this nitwit I had no credibility due to his presumptive profiling. I had no idea why I should have to prove my WCB claim to him on an article about geeese. Well that discussion totally pissed me off, it was totally off the subject of GEESE, and I decided I didn’t need that kind of BS so I quit using my real name on that site.

    Also one time one commenter on a group FB page just came on to make one comment and it was such a viscous vile murderous comment about innocent geese I thought they must be mental so I looked at their FB and found creepy photos of a typical quasi military looking guy with all kinds of weapons, big knives and guns, and I decided there I didn’t want all the creeps in the world I disagreed with knowing my real name.

    And why HP wants to know all my FB friends AND HAVE ACCESS TO MY NEWSFEED is suspect….my newsfeed includes everything I comment on, everything I say, my photos, my friends comments, posts from groups I belong too…… There is no reason in the world they need to know my friends or have access to my newsfeed. The other thing is the site has failed a lot since I joined; fairly benign comments get deleted or never appear; their headlines are often misleading so they get more clicks; they have too much National Enquirer type BS on their front page. What they will have now are yes people who never say much but are quite happy with that.

  • dvncmdy

    Dig it…..I’ll check that one too

  • dvncmdy

    Not surprised one bit!

  • Major Bumtickle

    Thank you, Smot. See you there :-)

  • cdbook

    https://developers.facebook.com/blog/post/2013/11/06/introducing-new-like-and-share-buttons/

    Interesting read. HP is mentioned: ” The Huffington Post is one of the most popular domains in number of links posted back to Facebook and takes full advantage of the new Like and Share buttons. Like lets people post links to Facebook with one click, while Share allows them to add a personalized message and customize their target audience before posting.”.

    Quote from HP’s Nico Pitney (Head of Product): “We place the Like and Share buttons right below the headline of our articles and in a persistent left side bar that stays with the user when they scroll down the page. We want to give people every opportunity to like and share content, and, at this point, I like to think we’ve made it hard not to engage in social actions.”
    I believe we can all know for certain that the new identification policy at HP has nothing to do with civility. According to Shareaholic , FB drives at least 17% of traffic for publishers who use the LIKE button. Now with the rollout of the SHARE button that percentage is bound to increase.
    Might be why ONLY Facebook can be used as a HP login.
    So HP lied and worse, treated their users like complete idiots.

  • Jrlh

    Yea, It did not make any sense from that stand point….I thought the comments were always pretty diverse…. I was never in the liberal state of mind, yet never wanted to hang out with people that just thought like me. Where’s the exchange of ideas in that?

  • Jrlh

    Disqus….Seems to be the best bet….What has impressed me in the short time I have used it, is that they actually communicate and inform their users…..If moderation is slow, they give you a heads up….To me, letting people know they are people, and treating them as such, is he best way to encourage civility.

  • dvncmdy

    And glad to meet you as well! I look forward to a fresh start with new and old acquaintances. Thanks for the heads up on getting around. Like anything new it will take a little time but then become old hat. I was so relieved to find this story and all the people that are coming here and seeking refuge in place to be able to write without giving up our frigging privacy!

  • dvncmdy

    You got that right my friend!

  • Wolf58

    To everyone who canceled their Hufpo accounts. In case you are still going over to the site to view whats going on, Don’t. Every time you go there it increases their web traffic count and that is what they need and want. Their numbers of people drop by over 2 million from the 9th to 11th according to https://www.quantcast.com/huffingtonpost.com the more people that stay away the more their numbers will continue to drop.

  • TechYes

    Well said! This move seems designed more to enrich Arianna and Zuckerberg than the commenting experience at HuffPo. By giving HP access to your real (!??!!!) FB account, they can now spam your friends and family with junk ads, too! Holiday dinners might be a little awkward from now on…..

  • ChrisDC

    Great! I suspect I’ll be doing the same.

    Look into the Disqus features, especially their Dashboard. I had not known about that. For example, I just “followed” you, and you just “followed” me. (I’m flattered — thanks.) You’ll show up on my Disqus Dashboard when you use that ID, and vice versa.

    So, we’ll be both get notified whenever either of us says anything.

    Given the privacy issue that’s central to all of this, that’s something to think about. But not a problem in your case. :-)

    I did, however, have to figure out how to route those notifications to a special folder in my Outlook Inbox. I did but, honestly, I think just using the Disqus Dashboard is going to be an easier way to see what my friends are weighing in on.

    Great to meet you!

  • dvncmdy

    Wow, very cool. Okay…thanks for clarifying!

  • kjdoeshk

    A lot of comments so apologies upfront if this was covered – as HP has become a habit, any suggestions for alternatives?

  • TechYes

    explore.org uses Disqus on all its sites; that’s how I first encountered it.

  • TechYes

    Hear! Hear! Having my opinions challenged regularly caused me to dig deeper and think harder about why I feel the way I do and develop better, more persuasive arguments. The few comments sections I’ve checked at HP over last two days have grown dull and homogenized. Given that I had a ‘Predictor’ badge there, I predict the exodus will continue. Nobody likes boring.

  • Json

    No. They just just the same commenting software. (Disqus)
    The discus website says that it is used on 2.5 million websites, but I have yet to find a list of major sites that use it. I guess we will learn…

  • dvncmdy

    I’m confused….is Epoch Times and Poynter the same?

  • dvncmdy

    Dear Sam Kirland and Poynter….thank you SO much for writing this piece and allowing us to find you and other like minded people that enjoy a venue to speak freely and unencumbered!

  • cdbook

    I deleted my HP account and was very sorry to have to leave the site. I wanted to comment tho on McDonald’s post so I created an empty FB account but when I tried to post was informed I had been banned from posting. No idea why since I’ve always been civil, etc. Of course I haven’t received an answer from HP and don’t expect to.
    There are many people posting at HP with fake FB accounts and fake names. However many posters have linked their actual FB with HP. They seem worried that HP posts will appear on their FB but don’t seem to have given much thought to the privacy of their friends and family. By linking to FB you are giving HP complete access to your FB. (Says so on the HP login.)
    I don’t believe HP’s new policy has anything at all to do with fostering civility but instead with data mining for profit. I would like to possess as much privacy in the digital world as possible and also wouldn’t want to offer up my friends and family to hungry ad machines.

  • dvncmdy

    Indeed! This kind of reaction I think speaks volumes about the necessity of protest! What good would it be if one can’t speak their minds freely. Even though a lot of the comments on HP were extremely volatile and and down mean and nasty, I still flourish better in an environment that allows me to be challenged. Oh well, their lose…they will become hum drum and dull. While we reunite, and grow and have our freedom of speech….civil or uncivil! :)

  • TechYes

    Suckers, spot on! It’s a lot worse than most people think, especially the ones who have tasted of the FB Kool-aid. Once you post ANY data on FB, you NO LONGER OWN IT, Facebook does. And they can and will use it for their own purposes, including running shadow accounts on you and all your FB friends, contacts, etc., including people who aren’t even FB members, so they have a place to store all the data they mine from your account and your friends’. Ever wonder why they’re such a juicy target for the NSA? FB has done most of the leg-work already!

  • TechYes

    That’s how I found it, too. With all the boards at HP so quiet, it was clear to me that lots of people were either muzzled or had left, and it seemed odd there was so little reporting of a mass exodus from a prominent website. So I went looking for reaction, and found coverage of the story here – along with many of my old HuffPo buds. Bonus!

  • dvncmdy

    Thanks…I’ll go there as well as keep posting here

  • dvncmdy

    I have looking for them myself. I have a feeling there will be.

  • LiberalUnderYourBed

    Ha! I hardly miss it as well.
    In fact, it was somewhat liberating to delete my HP account!
    It’s also delicious to witness the insanely dramatic drop off in comments.
    HuffPo is toast. Buh-bye

  • dvncmdy

    Well…this looks like a great place to start making new friends (and seeing old ones as well) and snark away. I found this place by searching for anyone miffed by what HP has done…I’m hoping others will find there way here as well.

  • Trilby16

    It is hilarious to do a google search for “Huffington Post Facebook” and see SO MANY articles HuffPo has published about security problems with FB and unhappiness over this and that on FB, etc., but now they demand that all their commenters be on FB. Idiots! They must be getting well paid.

  • dvncmdy

    ‘)

  • Simon Delancey

    HP is not “Big Brother” – they just want the Facebook tie-in for advertising purposes. I don’t visit them anymore because the site is so badly coded it runs poorly on a standard PC.

  • Stephen54321

    1) First of all it is NOT your PHONE number Facebook wants but your MOBILE number. Land line numbers don’t work with Facebook’s system. Which means for those of us who don’t have a mobile (and don’t want to have to go out and buy one just for the privilege of “verifying” ourselves with Facebook), tough luck, kiddo!

    2) Just what the heck does “verifying prove anyway? If this is supposed to be some kind of ID check, then the geniuses at Facebook and Huffington Post would seem to be unaware of the existence of prepaid mobiles which anyone can buy with perfect anonymity,

    True, Facebook won’t let the same mobile number verify more than one account, but there is nothing to stop the truly desperate going out and buying multiple prepaid mobiles so they can have multiple verified Facebook accounts.

  • UCBAlum

    But the announced privacy change last August was national news. I think GMA even covered it. Now there’s nada. Not a peep…while long-time users are raging or quitting.

  • UCBAlum

    I think comment volume is about 10% of what it was. After 1 hour there were 49 comments on “KIM EXECUTES UNCLE”. Two days ago it would have been at least a thousand or more.

  • UCBAlum

    Just shy of 11% here with 2,020 to start. I stopped tracking it this afternoon, but at that time I was confident 10% was a good estimate. Several other long-timers with huge friends lists were right about there.

    I couldn’t be more pissed. I refuse to tie social media to political/social commentary. I just think it’s a bad move in light of the fact that sites like FB are going to monetize my data any way they can in coming years.

  • UCBAlum

    Hey VJ – UCBAlum here. I’ve been posting my disgust at HP on HP for days but I’m about out of steam. I’m almost ready to cut ties. So…what looks good? I’ve been so content at HP that I have no idea what my options are. I thought WaPo, Epoch, maybe TPM….but I really don’t know. Any suggestions you may have would be appreciated…

  • MarkJinLA

    I’ve read HuffPost since shortly after it was launched, and I became a member several years ago. I’ve contributed hundreds of comments over the years, and I’d be happy to attach my full name to any of them. But I will NOT under ANY circumstances join Facebook or any other social media outlet in order to participate in the HuffPost community. In fact, in light of this obnoxious requirement, I’ve just terminated my HuffPost account. Moreover, I will no longer visit the HuffPost site. Despite my frequent use of the site in the past, I don’t expect giving it up to be much of a loss. The quality of the site’s content has declined considerably since it was purchased by AOL. It’s now top-heavy with garbage and celebrity gossip and the news stories it does run are typically short, shallow and poorly written. By forcing active community members to join Facebook and open themselves to the intrusive marketing and data sharing policies of Facebook, HuffPost has permanently lost this former subscriber.

  • SharynTG

    Yes. I had no idea I would actually need this account some day. And, you can change your name if you ever did get a stalker troll. I changed my name to be closer to what it was on huffpoop. Oops, I mean huffpo. :)

  • TheGingerbreadman

    Just went and looked at it myself, there’s some pretty good stuff there. I must say I’m glad to have stumbled across Poynter, also. Some interesting articles here. Certainly no one else seems to be talking about the plight of the disgruntled ex-huffposters!

  • Lindstr7

    Better yet, send them a message and delete your account like most of us here have. Their numbers are dropping sharply because of this and the more people who delete their accounts, the more they’ll feel OUR numbers.

  • brbr2424

    It is crazy. Their traffic will dry up. It is too frustrating to read articles and not be able to participate in the discussions. I will not link to Facebook.

  • Lindstr7

    HAdn’t heard of the Daily Banter. I’ll check it out. (I’m starting to think there’s an upside to this freeze-out).

  • brbr2424

    I used to go to Huffpo several times a day. I have stopped visiting the site because I end up reading articles that I want to comment, on but I will not link to Facebook. It is too frustrating to not be able to comment so better to abstain all together.

  • TheGingerbreadman

    Not a list, no. I’ve used it on Mother Jones and The Daily Banter. Oh, and Poynter!

  • Json

    Have you seen a list of major sites that uses Disqus?

  • TheGingerbreadman

    Yeah it was really starting to resemble TMZ or something. Will have to get in the swing of things with Disqus, haven’t used it much and it’s been a while. Pretty cool that you can use it on so many sites, though.

  • Major Bumtickle

    Thanks, Chris. I have it bookmarked. See you there!

  • SharynTG

    The Miley/Kimye stuff was really killing my soul. How much can we take?

  • SharynTG

    No doubt. My company would have fired me. All very angry, red-faced republicans. I got them to like me by putting a Bill O’Reilly book on my desk as bait and it worked. If they’d found out. Eeeeeew.

  • SharynTG

    I was actually glad to swap. I’d sold that car so long ago and didnt really like my egotistical name :)

    Now I’m just me. Glad you are here!

  • TheGingerbreadman

    Ah, this must be where we come to vent. Really cruddy of Huffpo- what they did, and the way they did it. Was certainly surprised when I went to comment this morning. After using the same screen name since ’09, I’ve deactivated my account and uninstalled the app from my phone. Very disappointing, but they’ve been going downhill since the AOL merger anyway. Now I’ll have to read about Kimye and Miley somewhere else, I guess.

  • Json

    I got lucky and got the same name :)

  • RF_Dude

    To the Site Moderator: the links I combined into one comment and posted here and on the other article are intended to provide paths for the HP folks here to move to other sites where they can join old friends and comment.

    I realize this site is not intended for the purpose to which we have put it, nor do I wish to seem like I am spamming the thread – I sincerely believe the folks here are better off finding new homes rather than congregating here for an extended time.

    Apologies if I’ve unnecessarily tripped the moderation limit, and once again thank you for your patience and for providing us with important updates.

    R.F.Dude

  • Cynth

    McDonald’s statement jumped out at me: “We expected many users would not be happy with this transition, but are confident that as we move forward, this will make for a more engaged and diverse community.”

    They are happy to be out with the old and in with the new, except I can’t imagine a more engaged community than what they’d had (the outcry is proof). And “diverse”? What do they mean by that? Was it too liberal for them? Too intelligent? Too mature? Didn’t they have a problem with some of the “diversity” to censor comments?

  • SmotPoker

    Nope, but i can be very vindictive when I wish to be….I’m probably not the best source to ask….

  • Lindstr7

    Let them eat themselves lol. (Carrion comfort) Is that too harsh?

  • SmotPoker

    We may not be able to burn HP to the ground, but we can starve it.

  • unlackey

    Thank you!

  • unlackey

    I remain your fan :)

  • Lindstr7

    I’ll second that.

  • Lindstr7

    They’ll be in bed with Fox before you know it. Someone has a master plan somewhere. We’re just the schmucks that find out after it’s too late.

  • SharynTG

    Also- it’s used all over the place! We can comment at many sites using it. It’s very cool.

  • SharynTG

    Thanks and just in that one article I see three friends from huffpo. Very cool!

  • SmotPoker

    Just a quick thank you to Poynter.org for their welcoming of the HP refugees. I also want to thank you for allowing the links to other like minded sites to be posted without worrying about your own traffic so that the HP refugees can try to keep in touch. Classy. Thank you.

  • Leslie

    Hmmmm….. http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/396442-huffington-post-comments-huffpost-exec-dismisses-widespread-criticism-of-new-system/

    Interesting that they are finally feeling the need to “dismiss” the “widespread criticism.”

    I particularly like this gem:

    On Twitter, Julia Oceania confronted McDonald over the promise.

    “I can’t comment on HP, the new policy,” she said. “Respectfully, I
    feel lied to as per August promise we’d be grandfathered in. HP lost
    me.”

    McDonald responded: “I’m sorry. We didn’t change our stance, but did change the grandfathering.”

    WTF?????????

  • Lindstr7

    I’m kind of liking this Disqus. A single system for multiple sites using the same profile. And you don’t have to give a cell phone number and your first born!

  • SharynTG

    Thanks!! I will head over there now.

  • RF_Dude

    Looks interesting, will check it out! Thanks!

  • Lindstr7
  • SharynTG

    If you’re here and you left huff, you can switch your disqus name and avatar to your old huff one so we can recognize each other. I was Sharyn350z on huff (but sold the car). We don’t need no stinking Huffpo.

  • Lindstr7

    Thanks, yeah I was at POV today, hilarious satire on HP. Someone told me about this site today.

    Epochtimes

    http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/394651-new-comment-requirements-on-huffington-post-riling-users-many-are-leaving/

  • SharynTG

    Oh that’s not a bad thing, merely a reflex proving you are in great health.

  • RF_Dude

    There is also jackholesrealm.wordpress.com – all HP folks, many from the old days when you could post music at HP.

    Another new site all-len-all.com where many familiar faces have migrated in the past several weeks.

  • TechYes

    I’ve been at The Planet today. Great place and very welcoming to us refugees!

  • TechYes

    FaceBRAG. Brilliant! Don’t know why, but every time I see a picture of Zuckerberg, I have the urge to smack him upside the head…. Weird.

  • RF_Dude

    planetpov.com is one place – it was established after the AOL buyout, contains the first wave of refugees.

    I haven’t been to them, but I am told by a reliable source that Alternet and Rawstory are two other sites with lots of HP ex-pats.

    Those are the ones I know about at the moment.

    Good sailing!

  • TechYes

    When I first joined HuffPo, I quickly realized that the biggest draw was the commenting community. Back then, few articles had any moderating except for the self-policing by the community, and it was a blast. I stayed up late far too many nights because it was such a good time. But all that changed after the sale to AOL ushered in the age of uber-moderation. I think the last time I had a really good time on HP was during the live blogging at the concert for Sandy Relief. For a few hours, the trolls couldn’t get a toe-hold, the mods backed off, and it felt like the old days again. That’s what I’ll miss: the old HP. Not this new, FB sell-out, faux version.

  • TechYes

    Think about it for a minute. This is a site that flatly lied to all their existing users by claiming that their accounts would be grandfathered, then they reneged on that promise by saying ‘things change’ and people STILL trust them with personal data tied to their social networking account. P. T. Barnum was right!

  • TechYes

    Seriously. Stroll around the old place today and all you hear on most threads is crickets.

  • Lindstr7

    Basically they’re demonstrating a policy that requires a “buy in” for free speech. HP was built by its users. Most of the stories on HP are links, not much real journalism there, but we gathered because of the need for a left leaning news oriented site that allowed people to speak their minds, exchange ideas, debate, show support or disapproval. Let’s hope someone smart out there realizes there is a sea of HP refugees that need a place to land and call home for awhile at least.

  • TechYes

    For the kids, being on FB these days is like showing up at a night club and finding your parents there. Not. Cool.

  • TechYes

    Optimist, definitely!

  • SmotPoker

    Yeah it occurred to me after I said it that it made me sound like either the worlds biggest optimist or the biggest moron….

  • SharynTG

    Yup. Not to mention the “new account” business they are giving faceBRAG.

  • Lindstr7

    When one door closes as they say……. I surely hope others will follow and not give in to this blackmail attempt simply because they have an addiction to HP (just say no folks). Of the people…by the .p..facebook? urg.

  • Lindstr7

    In any case, I’m so glad we were able to help at least ONE person reach the 1%. On the backs of the little people as usual.

  • ClemTan

    Yup. Has teens and young adult kids. Facebook is a dodo.

  • SmotPoker

    Oh really? *googles PlanetPOV* Hmmmmm…..

  • TheRewd

    This reply was to another post, one I received via an email notification. How it ended up here I have no idea.

  • SharynTG

    We are refugees! I feel that way. My huff name was Sharyn350z though and since I sold that ego-mobile I’m glad to have a new identity. Ill embrace the change and hang out in the many spots you can use disqus.

  • TheRewd

    To be honest I think Huffington Post, and what occurs there, is pretty much of interest only to Huffington Post and it’s members. It’s not real life, lol.

  • SharynTG

    Exactly!!!!! They think we are stupid and it irks me. Screw it. In updated my disqus file and will hang out elsewhere! Be well.

  • TechYes

    Wow, you mean accountability for the BRASS at HP? I love your optimism!

  • RF_Dude

    Hello Vega – the Soni and Pavley statements were pretty clear, and what they clearly stated implied nothing about a change at a later-date. Their statements were confirmed by other members of the HP staff who came into the comment threads – it was unequivocal that ‘established users’ would be grandfathered in and that only ‘new’ users would be required to provide FB verification.

    If anything, I am as guilty as any of the ‘established users’ who were comforted by that fact. And perhaps I would not have poofed my account had I not been personally required to provide a FB account. – that is my failing.

    But I was quite active on the two stories posted by Mr. Kirkland and had engaged HP staff via eMail regarding this and the new format, and had been provided assurances that old accounts would be ‘grandfathered-in’.

    Well, the events of last Tuesday put-paid to that little bit of misinformation…

  • TheRewd

    Acct_Pre_Deleted here if anyone cares.

  • Vega

    they have likely partnered to share their users data.

  • geezer 56

    Hey John, I saw your comments to my post above and tried to reply, but I couldn’t because they were pending moderation, and now they’ve just disappeared. Glad to know I was your last “fave.” (I wondered at first if I may have been your last snarky reply!) Come over to Epoch Times–they have 2 articles about this and have gathered quite a few of us HP refugees.

  • TechYes

    Welcome to the afterlife, smot!

  • Vega

    as of yesterday they have ……

  • TheRewd

    You know what else I find interesting? Facebook requires your phone number in order to verify your identity … a cell phone number … so that they can text you a code to enter.

    I hate to break to anyone but lots of people either don’t have text enabled phones, don’t pay for a text package from their carrier or simply just don’t text period, and don’t forget some folks still only have a landline.

    I know it may be a shock but many people still use a phone for a phone.

  • ClemTan

    Indeed. What I am seeing, for those that are staying, is users linking to what are obviously “throw away” facebook accounts which completely undermines HP’s accountability angle. Surely they must have realised this would happen so I just don’t buy accountability as the reason they have hopped into bed with FB. The whole thing is so ill thought out it’s almost comical.

  • SmotPoker

    It is available. I’m logged in there via Discus, and it allowed me to follow a link and post here. Quite cool actually…

  • TechYes

    Lots of former HPers are over at PlanetPOV, too. Also a welcoming spot with self-modding in the community, you know, like the good old days at HP.

  • SmotPoker

    Indeed, I found that to be quite insulting. I look forward to reading in the future just how many lose their jobs over this mistake.

  • SmotPoker

    Rather than wait to see what happens I went ahead and pulled the plug on good old SmotPoker at HP. SmotPoker is dead, long live SmotPoker…

  • Vega

    thanks Wolf58

  • Trilby16

    Arianna’s mind has disengaged and floated into the air above.

  • TechYes

    To me, the MOST insulting thing was the ‘explanation’ for their reneging on the promise to grandfather existing accounts by saying, ‘things change’. They might just as well have added ‘suckers!’

  • Lindstr7

    Thanks for the heads up.

  • TheRewd

    I find the entire premise of civility to be quite odd.

    As I said in my original post, how can a site that has the most extreme word filters in the business, where every post is pre-moderated and said posts are subject to being flagged as inappropriate after the fact, how can that type of comment system not be “civilized” to begin with?

    Huffington Post wants access to the information in your Facebook page … and it’s not because of comments.

  • TechYes

    Exactly right, Sharyn. There has been article after article about problems with FB, including one a couple of days ago about how 2 million passwords were hacked and published online. And THIS is the site they’re forcing people onto to ‘verify’ themselves??? My mama didn’t raise no fool!

  • Trilby16

    Thanks for that!
    Oh wait, no Discus? I don’t use any of their available comment log-ins. :-(

  • Lindstr7

    You make a very good point. Some info you WANT to remain anonymous for very personal reasons that may have nothing to do with not wanting to give out your cell phone number, especially when they reserve the right to re-post your comments without your permission! Can you imagine?! And that includes all your past posts as well! The horror!

  • SmotPoker

    Great minds and all that, I went and looked at that earlier. Fascinating, and very telling. To hell with HP.

  • Vega

    AH got her $365 million, it seems that’s all she cared about.

  • HarukoHaruhara

    x2

  • SmotPoker

    About 3 yrs although recent account says I arrived in Feb 2011 it was my 2nd account. 13k comments, and 2045 fans. Oh well.

    http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/394651-new-comment-requirements-on-huffington-post-riling-users-many-are-leaving/

  • Lindstr7

    I’m sure they counted on it. They likely predicted there would be a drop in numbers in the first few days but would climb back up after everyone registered with FB lol. Just how out of touch are they at AOL. Only grandmas think its “cool” to be on facebook anymore so they’re certainly not shooting for a younger demographic. Desperate times call for desperate measures I suppose.

  • SmotPoker
  • TheRewd

    As far as I know. They’ve also been having problems with users email addresses showing as invalid when the Facebook verification is tried.

    I was reading some more of the posts responding to Tim McDonald’s blog. I find it hilarious that people are just incensed and irate about this change … yet they’re there. Just the kind of principled stand Huffington Post was counting on.

    I’m not going back so whether or not the delete is real, idgaf.

  • SmotPoker
  • SmotPoker

    I’m liking The Enoch Times. Us ex-Huffers are being made to feel quite welcome, and i’m liking the commenting format. I would recommend that you come check it out. http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/394651-new-comment-requirements-on-huffington-post-riling-users-many-are-leaving/ as there are quite a few ex Huffers there already. Spread the word.

  • Vega

    clicks and traffic are money to them. if their click rate and traffic diminish sufficiently, so will their revenue.

  • SharynTG

    You think other sites will report on what’s happening at huff or are they all too much in bed together?

  • SmotPoker

    I hear you, I only lost a little over 2000 but to hell with HP.

  • Lindstr7

    I’m scratching my head at all the suckers who gave them 1) a cell phone number; 2) their list of friends (!); and 3) their home town info. And you just KNOW the trolls are going to find a way to keep on trolling — fake facebook and uncle fred’s cell phone# and et voila, “TEDNUGENTisMYgod” is free to troll again.

  • ClemTan

    The Huffpo Divorce section was my guilty pleasure. A bit of free therapy if you will. I found it quite cathartic to discuss some of the more sensitive issue surrounding divorce with people who have been through it. Even when things got heated in there it was always illuminating to see everyone elses POV. I have no desire to discuss these things with my friends and family. I have no desire to link any of these comments to my personal facebook account. I have a feeling plenty of the frequent flyers over at the divorce section must feel the same as its tumbleweeds in there today. Comments are way way down, many of my HP friends have deactivated their accounts. As have I. Its a shame as many of them are insightful commenters who’s views I will miss. However I wont be back there. Not while this facebook scam sticks.

  • SharynTG

    Exactly. Plus all the new fake accounts people were basically forced to set up at FB actually count as new accounts towards FB’s bottom line. They are a publicly traded stock, after all.

  • SmotPoker

    Last month HP would have led the lynch mob against Facebook. Today, they are in bed with FB. A data mining money grab. The worst of it? The INSULTING manner in which they try to defend their actions hiding behind the cause of “civility”. The truth is so far removed from that premise as to be completely laughable. They must believe that their users were all as brain dead as Congress.

  • Wolf58

    just follow the points on the graph and look at the tabs on top. you will see the change on each point.

  • SharynTG

    And their explanation as to why they reneged?

    “Things change.”

    Ha ha.

  • SharynTG

    And the article that “explained” their decision, it was practically buried. Boo on them! I peppered the other stories with negative comments about the new policy and the horrid new format and they were removed! Ha! “This comment has been deleted.”

    =WIN

  • Vega

    it may be, but to what end, you are still dealing with Big Brother, and what ever else they are doing behind the scenes. HP has shown its true colors, and I prefer to avoid them now.

  • SharynTG

    I hope it bites them, too. I was getting tired of all the Miley Cyrus stories anyways.

  • SharynTG

    They think we are too stupid to realize that they WANT people to open fake FB accounts to be able to comment.

    Any new FB account is great for FB’s bottom line and they will show it to their board. The stock price will go up and they are happy.

    The data they take from us- likes, friends, location, posts, etc., have nothing to do with troll prevention. Nothing. It’s a frigging SCAM, really.

  • Vega

    which chart/table on that page gives you that info? I’ll likely keep an eye on it for a while.

  • Vega

    sad but true, lol godfathered

  • SharynTG

    I know and like you!!! I’m Sharyn350z on huff. Nice to see ya here.

  • ChrisDC

    Are you sure about that TheRewd? Out of curiosity, I clicked on the link they sent me to reactivate my profile, and I got an “Invalid Email to Reactivate” message. (I didn’t really want to reactive it, but I was curious.)

  • SharynTG

    This is about money.

    Three weeks ago a huffpo article about FB stated their account numbers were so low that they’d lowered their age restriction to 13 in order to attract new accounts.

    Ha! Now they devised a way to get new accounts opened and old accounts re-activated by partnering with huff.

    Better numbers for FB means profit and their stock will go up. Huff probably gets cash and half the data mined. It’s all a big lie under the guise of getting rid if trolls.

    They became total hypocrites. Just look up all the previous articles about Facebook and privacy violations! And what? They expect US TO TRUST THEM NOW?

  • Vega

    that was in effect until the 9th when HP decided everyone was required to give their identity and private info to themselves via facebook. there was no warning prior to the 10th when I was met with the “give up your privacy or you can’t post” (sic) message. 20 minutes of perusing the HP site yielded no announcement of policy change. a quick google search at 9am found a lot of very upset HP and ex HP users.

  • ChrisDC

    There’s another angle, too.

    If you work in politics and government, unless you’re an elected official or a press secretary, you can’t talk about your work publicly under your own name because you’ll always be seen as a spokesperson for your boss, or your agency, or your client.

    Every Congressional staffer, political appointee, and consultant I know who used to post on HuffPo has left for precisely that reason. They’d lose their jobs if they turned into rogue press secretaries.

    And that’s across the political spectrum – it’s a basic part of the job. You don’t get publicly get out in front of the people you work for or with, unless you clear it first.

  • SharynTG

    They became total hypocrites. Just look up all the previous articles about Facebook and privacy violations! And what? They expect US TO TRUST THEM NOW?

  • SharynTG

    I was very stunned. I had over 4,100 friends there and that dwindled to 3,800 in two days. Sad. I had great talks with many people.

  • SharynTG

    I feel the same way. Even worse is the new comment format they started. On mobile I could only view ONE comment at a time and had to arrow left or right to see more. I thought it was an error, but nope. Combine that with their new plans to help FB get more accounts opened and thus increase their stock value and bam! I’m done.

  • Lindstr7

    Out of curiosity, are all their mods from their online community? I thought they hired people to do that. What did they offer you to be a mod?

  • SharynTG

    Good for you! I haven’t commented either since I also refuse to give them what they want.

  • ChrisDC

    I’m sure they’ve seen a drop in members.

    But they’re not telling anybody about it. I checked. (I hated to give them clicks, but I wanted to see.) My account, though deleted, still shows up on people’s Fans and Friends lists.

    I didn’t check through all 800 of my Fans/Friends, but a spot check of the people I really want to stay in touch with shows that only one of them has posted anything in the last two days.

  • Vega

    most google, yahoo, and bing searches for “HP Facebook policy” are returning HP articles.

  • ChrisDC

    A bunch of us are over at Epoch Times — the only other site that, like Poynter, reported on what’s going on at HuffPo. LoganDC1 here. :-)

  • Vega

    like any political entity, sell your agenda with what sounds good, not with what is based on fact. Its just too easy to find anyone’s address or phone number by a quick message containing code.

    This flies in the face of any logic, those threats on the board may now become face to face, and HP will be the enabler.

  • ChrisDC

    I deleted mine, and it is deleted.

    But their system still lists me on people’s Friends and Fans lists. No doubt because they don’t want people to know how many of us are left.

    Just out of curiosity, when I deleted my account, they sent me an email to reactivate it. Which contains a link, which when clicked on, says “Invalid email to reactivate.”

    I think they’re deliberately dumbing down. They don’t want us back.

    A bunch of us are also over on Epoch Times, as well as here.

  • justanaverageguy

    I’ve seen some posts and alerts about the need to verify the Disqus account emails. Check it out.

    Unless we ALL decide to unite and fight this HP movement as fed-up Americans etc, and demand our rights of privacy and anonymity, and the need to trash all FB and AOL ties, the big media will attempt to force this down our throat.

    WE can do this from the comfort of our own home and computer without a need to even march on the streets. But if we can’t do this as Americans….we might as well hand over the keys to the corporate entities that wish to control us and the country.

  • ChrisDC

    I’ll add another point to the excellent one you made.

    One big group of people who are leaving Huffington Post are Congressional staffers, political appointees, government employees, lawyers, consultants — basically anybody with a boss or an agency or a client where they can’t speak publicly without being seen as spokespeople. We can’t stay there and post under our names without being seen as a horde of rogue press secretaries.

    It’s not that the people we work for or represent would disagree with what we post — it’s just that they may not want to deal with that particular issue on that particular day. And it’s their policy agenda schedule — not ours.

    There’s also a psychiatrist who, understandably, bolted. She doesn’t want her patients to be sifting around through her discussions about politics.

  • Vega

    some do not care about their privacy or their security, some just don’t know what having a Facebook account can cost you should a hacker get your info.

  • RF_Dude

    Hello Mr. Kirkland – In a comment on your new story, I left you a link to the Pavley thread, where the CTO of HuffPo stated that ‘ Those who already have a Huffpost account will not have to do a thing’…

    Together with Mr. Soni’s similar statement, it seems there is some kind of communication issue at The Poo (as it was so affectionately known).

  • Vega

    HP partners up with Facebook who they have criticized profusely for security and privacy breaches, Hypocrites. Money has that effect, even on the extremely wealthy.

    Keep your ad laden, and now big brother style board, my account has been deleted. It would seem many others have too, I had over 8400 friends on the 9th, and just over 5200 when I deleted the account.

  • RF_Dude

    Wow – 235 comments on this, more than the main at ‘the old place’ ;-)

    WOOT!

  • jake481

    …..I should also mention Huffpo asked me to be a moderator just recently and now i can’t even post there?

  • jake481

    I had almost 4,000 followers on Huffpo and because I have a very legitimate problem with Facebook I’m no longer welcome there? WOW.

  • Opposition Research

    Perhaps you have email notifications turned on and your inbox filled up and started bouncing?

  • Opposition Research

    When Jesse Helms was in office, his office phone was (202) BAGOFGAS

    Serious.

  • Lindstr7

    Guess we should have seen this coming. Just who IS the real AH. (pulled this from the link)

    “Mrs. Huffington is the chair of the Center for Effective
    Compassion, which explores and demonstrates ways to provide
    compassion and effective alternatives to the welfare state.”

    Compassionate alternatives to the “welfare state.” Like labor camps maybe?

  • Simon Delancey

    You’re right about the ID card – but on the upside, it’s child’s play to set up a bogus Facebook account and “verify” it as well ;)

  • Major Bumtickle

    Oops! Here I am on poynter already. Hahaa

  • geezer 56

    So did “geezer,” at the time! I regretted it at first, but then it kinda grew on me, after all.

  • Sam Kirkland

    FYI, all: Here’s a quick follow-up regarding Facebook verification coming to HuffPost mobile apps as well: http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/mediawire/233464/commenters-on-huffpost-mobile-apps-will-soon-need-facebook-verification-too/

  • Major Bumtickle

    The user name Gas-Bag seemed like a good idea at the time, hahaaaa.

  • Major Bumtickle

    Hi Guest. Thanks for the tip on poynter.org!

    regards, aka Gas-Bag.

  • geezer 56

    OK, that cracks me up, since a few of my HP comments were immediately vaporized when “gasbag” was the only word that could possibly have been interpreted as objectionable. And mind you, it was directed at politicians, not other users.

  • Major Bumtickle

    Hi Warrior, nice to see you here. My HP screen name was Gas-Bag, maybe you remember me. Let me know if you discover a good alternative to HP. Thanks, and take care.

  • Lindstr7

    That’s odd. My user name just disappeared and all my comments are now labeled “guest.” Had to re-verify my Disqus acct. Did this happen to anyone else here or am I just getting paranoid.

  • cubanflowers

    i can’t believe how many idiots are actually going to and have already given their cell number to facebook just to post on huff!!!!….

    i was tempted to validate my account because i wanted to respond to someone who replied to my comment with asininity…

    i figured… my facebook is bogus anyway..

    but then i seen that they wanted phone numbers.. social security numbers… naturalization number… DOB .. etc… . so i was like pluck it and huff…

    i need to be doing the JOB NYC is paying me to do… not posting on a gottttttdmn website!!!!!…

    be blessed.

  • RF_Dude

    Hi Vanillasteve, you are completely correct in your posting.

    I would just add that throughout history the ‘masses’ have submitted to totalitarian rule submissively for the most part. The resistance to oppressive dictator-states captures the imagination and headlines (not to mention movies and books), but without the willing compliance of a majority of the population dictators could never stay in power.

    It is only when enough of the population gets pushed into the corner that true change happens. It is usually after a long period of increasing oppression, and comes usually at a high cost.

    Only when that cost is ‘worth it’ to the masses does change happen.

  • Major Bumtickle

    Hi Jeff, Gas-Bag here. Can you suggest an alternative news site?

  • Major Bumtickle

    Good to see some of my friends here from HP. I am so disappointed with what has happened.

    Can someone suggest an alternative news site that allows commentary that I can try?

    (Known as Gas-Bag at HP.)

  • Opposition Research
  • TechYes

    I forgot about that! LOL! I do remember her appearing on Bill Maher’s old show on Comedy Central in the ‘Strange Bedfellows’ skits with Al Frankenstein – she was wearing her conservative mask back then. Now, I realize she always has been. sigh……

  • Leslie

    Thanks! I did find a few more articles, including one on Daily Kos.

  • Leslie

    Yes – I actually had to go to my history to find the article and it took a while to come up so I was a little nervous for a minute there.

  • Lindstr7

    “The Huffington Post founder suggested her feelings about
    anonymity have been colored by recent rape and death threats against
    women in Britain, even though most of these—including a sustained attack on freelance journalist Caroline Criado-Perez that took place over a number of days—actually occurred on Twitter”

    What the WHAT? Isn’t it easier to find someone when you know their real name and the town they live in? This is ludicrous. A complete sham. Shame on you AH, you’re still a Republican at heart. I guess all those years living a lie with your closeted gay republican husband taught you how “fake it” pretty well. Now you’re “faking it” when you say it’s all about the safety of your users! Not buying it. (apologies to all closeted gay republicans and their wives)

  • Leslie

    And then there’s the whole first name last initial thing, which is almost as bad as real names. How many people are out there with the same first name and last initial? What if someone who shares yours makes some truly awful comment and someone who doesn’t like you see it, decides it’s you and “reports” you to your employer or someone.

  • Leslie

    Oh, good – I also HATE the video starting up as soon as you click on the story and not being able to turn it off. One more thing I won’t miss.

  • Leslie

    Yes – it’s funny, but that article regarding the policy CLAIMED that moderation had been around since the beginning, but that’s not how I remember it. Maybe it was less heavy-handed in the beginning so I didn’t notice it. My memory of it goes back to whe Dick Cheney went to Afghanistan and there was an attack very close to where he was, and a couple of people posted saying in effect “Too bad they missed.” Which was definitely out of bounds, but the right-wing went nuts over it and that’s when I remember the moderation starting or at least becoming obtrusive.

  • Lindstr7

    Just a reminder to click “Star this Discussion” in the upper left corner of the “comments” section. I would hate to see this thread fizzle out and go away.

  • Opposition Research

    See if you get anything with this:

    huffington post comments facebook

    It came up for me, but that could change. The big central search engine *IS* as much an enabler of censorship as it is of information discovery.

  • Leslie

    Thanks. I did that.

  • Leslie

    Amen. What I always found incredibly ridiculous is that you would post on some completely innocuous article about puppies or something (though cats were more likely) and you would get this notice that “due to the sensitive nature of this article” or something of the sort, your post was being held for moderation. There was a great blogger who posted about books, and he was always apologizing for people saying that their comments had been stuck in moderation for HOURS. It seems as if, especially in this day and age, they could have had several levels of moderation (maybe stricter for stories about real hot-button issues), but as it was, they only had two – heavy-handed, as you said, and no comments allowed at all for certain posts.

  • Lindstr7

    She’s probably one of the greatest actresses of the century. Married to a repressed gay Republican. Lot’s of practice “faking it.”

  • Lindstr7

    It really is the stymieing of a huge voice of those leaning to the left of center. HP was a place to go to take the pulse on a political issue and now it’s just a rag for those with a FB account with absolutely no political clout.

  • missjulz

    The fact that they are suggesting you can use a fake FB account rather disintegrates their rationale that this is about getting rid of anonymity for the sake of civility. It’s always about $$$. But they could well put people at risk with this policy. There are lots of disturbed individuals out there.

  • Leslie

    Hey – I remember you! Hi. My HP screen name was eserafina42.

  • Json

    That is very odd. Earlier when I ran a search for articles about this, I saw this one and mediabistro one. Now the search only finds the mediabistro article which (coincidentally) was favorable towards HP.

    Actually,I can’t seem to use any combination of search words to find this article anymore.

    In fact if I type in the terms
    huffington post anonymous comments poynter
    (with no quotation marks) I get ZERO hits

  • Leslie

    Amen. I was a member since 2006 and had posted something like 11,000 comments. I’m using Disqus here – why not allow us to “verify” through that? Oh, that’s right – they wouldn’t get that ton of marketing info they would get with Facebook.

  • Leslie

    Yes. I used to check it obsessively, and the first thing I would look at was whether there were any replies to my comments. Now that I’ve deleted my account, I’ve only been checking a couple of times a day, mostly to rub my hands together and chuckle nastily at the small numbers of comments on the stories on the main page, and to check out the (mainly negative) responses on the story regarding the policy change. Imagine what it would look like if they hadn’t essentially pre-emptively banned all the people who refused to “verify” their accounts before announcing it.

    I’m actually surprised at how little I miss it. Even if they backtrack I don’t know if I would bother to reactivate my account.

  • Lindstr7

    Curiouser and curiouser.

  • Peeker Boo

    Ain’t that the truth!

  • Leslie

    I find it VERY curious that this story is no longer showing up using the original search terms I used for it (“new huffington post comment policy”). Does Arianna have powerful friends at Google? Also that this is the ONLY story I can find at all about this – most of the results for that search are from August when they made their false claim that current users wouldn’t be affected. (They came for the new users, but I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a new user….) Is there some sort of news blackout on this? It looks to me like their comment numbers have plummeted in the two days since they instituted this policy, and one would think that would be a story if the views are dropping similarly

  • TechYes

    There IS life after HuffPo! Cheers!

  • TechYes

    LOL! Just having you FB account linked to HuffPo would be enough to disqualify you!

  • TechYes

    I first heard of Arianna Huffington when she made a splash on the national scene as Newt Gingrich’s muse. Probably should have been a warning…..

  • TechYes

    Now that’s the kind of intelligent snark I love! If we were back on the old stomping grounds, I’d say F&F!

  • TechYes

    Exactly right, Json! If all you do is capitulate and then complain about it, they won’t listen because they already got what they want. If you really believe, as I do, that this is an unwarranted violation of your privacy, you have to draw the line and leave. I made lots of friends and fans in my years on HuffPo, and I’ll miss connecting with them, but enough is enough!

  • Opposition Research

    Yup… Pulled the plug at 1,896 fans.

    But, in the face of such abject betrayal, leaving HP without looking back was a surprisingly easy move.

  • Json

    It felt a little weird hitting the “Remove Account” at HP after almost 6 years 1100 fans, and 15000 comments, but it felt right.

    What they are doing is wrong and how they are doing it is despicable. It’s rare that you get a moment to have your voice heard like this. HP is one of the most trafficed newsites on the web and people are leaving in droves. I think it is the responsibility of every HP member to stand up for what they believe. HP is watching this and so are many others on the web. The response by we the people to this treatment by HP will dictate how we (and our privacy) are treated going forward.

  • Opposition Research

    I have long suspected that political trolls aren’t the only trolls at comment sites.

    I have suspected anti-privacy trolls too. They show up in amazing numbers on news stories about information privacy, bashing the bejeebus out of privacy advocates and/or trying to convince people that safeguarding privacy is futile and a battle already lost, so “stop even trying to protect yourself.”

    While it’s true that absolute anonymity is virtually impossible, one can still greatly increase the difficulty factor encountered by those who would try to track you down, and greatly reduce their certainty factor when they think they might have found you.

  • ajamandadam

    So now I have to have a FB account;What a stupid ass move,Bye bye HP.

  • Lindstr7

    Scarey thought but you are absolutely right. It’s already happened with those who chose to turn over their personal information to AOL to be bought and sold. I like expressing my opinion, but not at the total sacrifice of my privacy. Next they’ll want you to set up a facebook account for every member of your family before you can access the site. HP is destined to become a model of “how NOT to alienate your online community base” at business schools across the country.

  • Lindstr7

    That’s great but there is no WAY I’d give FB or HP a phone number of ANY kind. I say, eff HP and lets all find a site that isn’t using us as a blatant commodity.

  • Lindstr7

    Not just “using” a FB account. They want your cell phone number and your friends list and reserve the right to contact your friends, use your email address and post tweets in your name! Let the Theatre of the Absurd commence!

  • dvncmdy

    Instead of “grandfathering” us in, they Godfathered us in…..but that was an offer we COULD refuse

  • Lindstr7

    True, If I se one more Kimye article I might lose my lunch.

  • Lindstr7

    It feels like communist China! They want our “list of friends!” For what?!

  • dvncmdy

    I’ve gone back to look at peoples comments. No real heart or soul in them…just blah. I think people leave out of boredom and HP will be “meh”

  • Lindstr7

    My guess would be that they’re trying to expand their “Huffpost Live” division (and I haven’t found ANYONE who likes it and wants more, that’s not why we frequented HP!) and are attempting to create revenue to hire more “interviewers” and “reporters” (link hunters) and less moderators for their site. Total miscalculation imho. BTW, Good Posts! Let us know if you find a sites worth visiting. There are a lot of us HP “refugees” out there who need a place to voice our opinions without being censored.

  • ottlh

    I have no sympathy for HP but I do feel a little for the messengers. I’m guessing that this decision was made at a higher level than Tim McDonald.
    However, I completely agree that the worst possible decision has been handled in the worst possible way by HP. I don’t know how they could have imagined that this would work out differently.

  • Lindstr7

    I think its apparent now that they knew they would go this route during negotiations with AOL. They needed AH as a figurehead for the site to make this transition and their swift segue into suddenly being concerned about anonymity to control “trolls” is just a smokescreen for their plan to link FB with HP. We’ve been duped by AH and AOL. AH is a sellout and I’ve lost ALL respect for her. She is now one of the nefarious 1% HP is so famous for chastising.

  • Lindstr7

    PlanetPOV. Awesome, thanks for the heads up.

  • JustaGurlinseattle

    a LOT of Huff Post regulars are here….

    http://all-len-all.com/the-all-len-all-chat-room-2/

  • Lindstr7

    It’s the new reality. (I wonder if any Koch Industries employees dare to have a facebook account? I know I wouldn’t make it through the application process if they knew my political views!)

  • Trilby16

    If you like your account, you can keep your account! Heard that before.

  • Trilby16

    Delete your account! It’s the only satisfaction you’re going to get.

  • TechYes

    And don’t forget that lots of companies’ HR departments, as well as recruiters, monitor the FB activity of their employees and job applicants. Imagine what could happen if your boss finds out your politics are ‘out of sync’ with his or the company’s…..

  • Peeker Boo

    I remember when her site was called Arianna Online & the conversations were always riveting! Then it morphed into HuffPo & it became overwhelming & harder to keep up.

    Now with the marriage to Facebook it’s a sellout.

    HuffPo, “don’t ask for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee.”

  • vanillasteve

    Unfortunately, I think you are right. Forget the fantasy depicted in dooms day movies of jack booted thugs stamping hands or implanting chips. People will VOLUNTARILY and GLEEFULLY surrender everything about themselves for vanity, much like a foolish young college student signing up for years of usurious cc debt for a mere trinket or t-shirt.

  • TechYes

    HuffPo has shown the same level of regard for its community as TimeWarner does for its customers.

  • Opposition Research

    Amazing, and scary, how a rinky-dink personal bulletin board like Facebook can have the incredible luck to appear at the right moment to hit the economic Lotto, get itself integrated into darned near everything, and make itself the keys to the new police state.

    I have warned for years that Facebook is vying to become the Official Internet ID Card.

  • TechYes

    Metaphor would be my guess, but what do I know?!! I’m glad I left, too. Just found another ‘cell’ of former HPers over at PlanetPOV. Yay!

  • Wolf58

    I won’t even go over to check it out because doing so gives them higher web traffic numbers. They lost over 2 million from the 9th to the 11th and I expect that trend to continue.

  • Peeker Boo

    HuffPo will care when they stop getting clicks on the site & advertising revenues start to slide. They’d probably be just as happy to see a drop in posts as they have to pay for that.

    People are already leaving Facebook in droves & HuffPo miscalculated by not really understanding how many people hate that site.

  • vanillasteve

    Great! Deleting accounts is the ONLY way. Those folks who shake their fist but ‘stick around’ are like people who complain about Walmart as they drive by their local hardware store.

  • Wolf58

    HP has lost over two million people between Dec 9th to Dec 11th or 8 percent.
    https://www.quantcast.com/huffingtonpost.com

    Will have to see if tomorrow is even larger, I’ll bet it is.

  • vanillasteve

    Huffpost censorship of ‘sensitive’ articles had gotten so absurd I began to wonder what is NOT a ‘sensitive’ issue. I don’t like to be dramatic or fatalistic, but I think they have done those who enjoy the free flow of ideas and information a great service with this policy. People, I believe, will come to the conclusion that concentrating the power of the control of their online to one or two entities is dangerous. My sincerest hope is that everyone who finds this objectionable does not ‘stick around’ to see what happens but deletes their accounts. The line has been crossed. Even a reversal of this policy should be insufficient for people to every trust this organization again.

  • vanillasteve

    Folks, if technology has taught us anything, it is that when one door closes many more open up. I sincerely hope folks don’t ‘stick around’ hoping they will change their minds. They have shown their hands and they damage is done. Even if they reverse the policy, they have demonstrated a willingness to arbitrarily and unilaterally cut you off from years of work for monetary gain. This is not a lapse of judgment, this is a fundamental shift, and should have shocked you into reality. Your online profiles–work, effort, relationships–are at the mercy of ONE company. I think this is a lesson to us all.

  • dvncmdy

    Hahahahaha….I love the metaphor, or would that be a simile? I never know. Truly pathetic. Glad I left and came here.

  • Opposition Research

    Law enforcement agencies strongly advise against revealing your real identity in comment forums.

    There is a reason.

    HP is trying to coerce users to go against the tenets of basic Internet safety and cyber-bullying countermeasures put fort by federal, state and local law enforcement agencies across the nation.

  • Cynth

    I definitely have no sympathy for him or for HP regarding this, since they knew full well, given the reaction in August that this was not a popular decision. They had plenty of time since to find better solutions, including their promise that existing accounts would be grandfathered. If other sites have implemented effective solutions that don’t alienate their users, so can HP. And their reaction and responses to the recent outcry has been weak or nonexistent. They mishandled this, plain and simple.

  • Cynth

    Yes, I’m at about 5%, too, but it’s rising. I’ve been lurking on the forums, since I refuse to use FB.

    The execution and Tim’s replies suggest that they are fully aware that they went back on their word to long-time users. I don’t typically wish ill on other people, but I hope this does come back to bite them in participation, clicks, and advertising revenue.

  • vanillasteve

    Unfortunately, unless you delete your account, no one will care. There is only one way to send messages in this world and that is decisive action.

  • ottlh

    I do almost feel sorry for him. However, saying that he’s enjoying the conversation after such long absences smacks of insincerity. He’s barely commented since the first day, even though the number of angry comments on that article continue to rise. Over 3,000 at this point. By far the busiest article on Huffington Post.

  • vanillasteve

    I just deleted my account on HuffPo. It was a tough decision that I made in 30 seconds of seeing the new ‘verification”. I had thousands of comments and many fans and followers, but I refuse to be bullied into linking all of my information to facebook. You see, It always starts out innocent enough. But the ultimate aim is to root out anonymous speech. I will not participate.

  • Json

    They knew people would be outraged. That’s why they lied to users about being grandfathered in 3 months. That way, all current users wouldn’t be concerned about the new policy (and of course potential future wouldn’t really care at that point)

    Then they implemented the policy BEFORE publishing the article about it. That way you had to accept the policy in order to comment to complain about the policy. It’s incredibly obvious and sleazy.

    This is going to hurt them WAY more than they think. Most people have been reporting losses of friends in the 3-10%.. I’m at about 5%. But when I looked at my remaining friends, very few had linked FB accounts. So they (like me) are unable to comment and will certainly be clicking less and quite possibly leaving altogether,

  • JustaGurlinseattle

    OK… This is ODD, where is my actual post???

    I originally said that I HATE that HP Live….

    I like to READ my news…. HP seems to want to destroy a ONCE
    GREAT news site.

  • TechYes

    The comments on McDonald’s article from yesterday have the feel of shell-shocked people huddling around the fire for comfort and protection. But that article is the ONLY one with anywhere near the ‘normal’ number of comments for a HuffPo piece. This screw-up appears to have resulted in a mass exodus of posters.

  • dvncmdy

    well, at least you didn’t have to verify your mobile phone number to face book…. :)

  • dvncmdy

    Hahahaaha….I love it! very clever inded

  • dvncmdy

    Good, HP deserves to loss all its good posters in droves. I’m beyond disappointed and feel down right betrayed.

  • Trilby16

    It looks like comments are WAAAAAY down on HuffPo. Most articles are in double- or triple-digits only.

  • dvncmdy

    Amen brother!

  • dvncmdy

    I know, right? how rich is that frigging hypocrisy! Phony outrage by a sell out!

  • dvncmdy

    another user name I recognize….glad to see ya! left them too….good riddance to another corporate hack!

  • TechYes

    Same here. The reneging on the grandfathering of long-time accounts was especially galling. I’ve been an HP member for a number of years, and they already knew how to contact me – and had done so several times. There are lots of people I looked forward to ‘seeing’ at HuffPo, but last I heard, most of them had split over this policy. The number of comments has dropped through the floor since yesterday. Good! Maybe they’ll get the message.

  • Tony R.

    At this point, who cares anymore? I just deleted my Huffington Post account and I won’t ever go back.

  • Billy_boe

    And the twitter feed.
    GOD, the twitter feed.
    Fortunately poster Ellis Dee wrote a personalized Chrome adblocker script to eliminate that fiasco.

  • Tony R.

    Huffington Post just made themselves irrelevant. They may get compliance from their most brain-dead followers who don’t care about privacy, but that is precisely why it’s no longer worth visiting their site, either for their leftist articles or the fawning comments by a gaggle of yes-men.

  • dvncmdy

    Hey you! Me too….glad to see some familiar faces!

  • Cynth

    Of course they wouldn’t. They didn’t want to repeat the backlash they received in August announcing the change (then assuring us that existing accounts in good standing would be grandfathered). I’m glad I had the chance to say goodbye to many people then, but I will still miss the community.

  • dvncmdy

    I left HP yesterday. I refuse to conform to their demands just so I can vent. Since then I have sought out and found other places to vent, freely…without being watched by the same people that complain about the NSA. They will not be data mining my information if I can help it.

  • Cynth

    …or they did think this through and decided that the trade-off was worth it. I prefer to think that it’s the former, but there are enough signs that it’s the latter to wonder….

  • Json

    Exactly. I might add that over the years I have received numerous personal threats from HP users. I’m sure those comments and users have been deleted, but my account has been the same for 5-6 years. I’m not going to put my personal safety at risk just to help HP’s profit margin.
    And you know what…I barely miss it!! The huge decline in quality at HP made this a much easier move,

  • TechYes

    LOL!!

  • TechYes

    Hear! Hear! The new ‘conversations’ format was designed to promote anything BUT actual conversations – especially when the comments took hours to get posted, if at all.

  • TechYes

    Arrgh! The misleading, hyperbolic headlines! The 24/7 Kardashian, Miley Cyrus coverage!

  • TechYes

    It’s called ‘voting with your feet’ (or at least with your clicks!), Dave!

  • Dave Kozlowski

    Best thing we can do if we don’t like it is stop commenting on HuffPo. I’ve pretty much resigned myself to not reading it. Interactivity is where it’s at.

  • TechYes

    One of the cheerleaders actually compared the new HP policy to the ‘wonderful’ idea of voter ID laws. Totally clueless….

  • TechYes

    It’s comments like that one that will make me miss HP! If we were still there, I’d say F&F!

  • TechYes

    Well said, John. I deleted my account as well after coming back on yesterday afternoon and being asked for a link to my FB account in order to post. Don’t have, don’t want, won’t set up a FB account. I’ve been at HP for several years, and they forced me out as well. Today, the number of comments has sunk like a stone, and what remains is mostly pablum.

  • TechYes

    Agreed, exfl. Obama slams in this context are uncalled for, but some people can’t help themselves – all roads lead to Obama.

  • TechYes

    Hi, VJ! Glad to you and so many former HPers here. I would have been nice if HuffPo has done us all the courtesy of allowing us to post comments under the article announcing this change so that we could have said good-bye to our many friends and fans before canceling our accounts.

  • TechYes

    Agree with all your sentiments, but I would add that in many parts of the country and at many companies, it is equally dangerous to ‘come out’ as liberal, progressive or moderate.

  • Allymax

    I deleted my HP account because there was no way I was giving Facebook access to my phone number. FB just had millions of passwords hacked, and what if you don’t have or want a FB account. HP didn’t think this through.

  • Trilby16

    Too funny! Tim McDonald, blogger on HuffPo regarding the dreadful new “conversations” style of comments writes, “Enjoying this conversation. I do want to know what you think and we are seeing pending times go down, which is allowing for more conversations to happen in closer to real time.” Haha! Way to spin “users leaving in droves,” Tim!

  • Tmurphy

    Once they realize how many posters have deleted their accounts.

  • Tmurphy

    I’m not comfortable exposing my friends and family to strangers. HuffPost was once a lively community and fun to interact with like minded readers, now it’s so heavy and biased in it’s so called moderation, it’s no longer a welcoming or enjoyable site to comment. The articles have become a bit tabloidish in content anyway. Politco, Media Matters much better reporting.

  • KG

    big brother at its best I wont be using Huffington post anymore. There is absolutely NO reason for them to be attached to my Facebook.

  • jokamachi

    And you as well, Cynth.

  • TheRewd

    Thanks, lol, I saw that.

  • Steve

    Canceled mine today, don’t want, need or desire a facebook account. There’s enough crap going round already, I don’t need complete strangers offering me their crap as well.

    HP will suffer, and I need a new medium to vent.

  • Trilby16

    I was a HuffPo member/poster sine Nov. 2005. Yesterday I deleted my account and also my HuffPo bookmarks. Moving on.

    They pretty much destroyed their comments a few weeks ago when they went to the ridiculous and unwieldy “discussions” format. This FB thing is the final nail in the coffin.

  • http://www.expnowhere.com/ Mr.B

    I have only commented on their posts, because I didn’t have to register. I mean, I have no problem with registering, but when someone asks me for verification and only way to do so is by using FB account, it makes me feel constrained from my freedom of choice. From now on, they can keep their comment system for themselves.

  • RemyC

    Same here, no cell phone, an additional expense I do not need, especially now that free online services like Skype enable you to place calls to family and friends via any available wifi hot spot.

  • ottlh

    I noticed that too with the number of comments. Checked it out this morning and the number is at over 2,800. By the way, congratulations on being quoted in Epoch Times!

  • RemyC

    Hear Hear!

  • RemyC

    Those of us affected by this, who do not own a cell phone, started a page in the facebook help comments. https://www.facebook.com/help/community/question/?id=10201538085517591

  • l. g.

    I have been a HuffPo member for about five years. Promote civility by using your real name? Not hardly. I will still call you a fucking idiot (if deserved) whether I post as Laura G. or l.g. This new policy has nothing to do with promoting civil discourse, but it has eveything to do with money. I have a FB account that I rarely use but I will not be linking it to HuffPo. This was a bad move on HuffPo’s part. It will be interesting to watch the site commit suicide.

  • j238

    You can work around that with a free texting app.

  • sdcd

    We’re all banned now. Cheers!

  • sdcd

    HuffPo you really upchucked all over yourself with this one. Where do I even begin?

    (1) Facebook is uncool. To make that the de facto sign-on standard shows you are four years behind the times.

    (2) You promised longtime users like myself (2008) would be grandfathered in. You lied.

    (3) Facebook is a privacy and security nightmare. Do you read your own articles?

    (4) Commenting DRIVES THE SITE. (Did anyone comment reply to my comment? Did anyone fave my comment? Let me log back in to HuffPo and see!) vs. (I’m locked out anyway…who cares?)

    (5) Think (THINK!!) for one second about the ramifications of posting strong political opinions under your real name if you live in an intolerant community, have a vengeful ex, have a boss with differing views. You want watered down, milquetoast opinions? Enjoy them…that’s your new reality.

  • WarriorLemming

    Yeah, fake FB accounts with throw-away phones and they’re in business.

  • WarriorLemming

    I got the same cosmic smack up-side-the-head, mados, an electrifying wake-up call and much appreciated. There’s life out there happening while we expound on the nonsense at HP.

  • Lindstr7

    This is rich. These two links are from HP’s own website reporting on the data collecting practices of Facebook, even calling them “insidious.” Guilty by association.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-fiorella/the-insidiousness-of-face_b_4365645.html

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/28/facebook-android-app-phone-numbers_n_3518652.html

  • Lindstr7

    I can’t imagine that AH failed to see this would not go over well with many of the HP regulars. I would guess this was their plan all along and it was part of the deal AH made with AOL when she handed over the keys. They thought the bitter pill would be easier to swallow if Arianna used the whole “anonymity” and “trolls” as a guise to push this on HP users. Ugh. Just feel so betrayed on so many levels.

  • Lindstr7

    Good luck with that. I doubt even one of your comments will get through. Last time I peeked in at HP, there were (not surprisingly) no comments complaining about the new policy, not ONE. So my bet is the mods have been instructed to delete any and all negative comments about the new Facebook marriage. If we don’t see any complaints there must not be any! HP, the new face of fascism. Who’d a thunk it.

  • JustaGurlinseattle

    VERY well said….

    may I add the really stupid Huff Post Live….
    I hate clicking on an article only to end up on that
    stupid Live page….

    Huff Post really messed up this time……

    They should just go back to the way it was when it started…..

  • JustaGurlinseattle

    Ohhhhh I also hate that Huff Post live….

    It is sooo FREAKINg annoying…..

    I am more than capable of READING my NEWS thank you….

  • JustaGurlinseattle

    I wish I could like this comment a “thousand” times…..

    That is EXACTLY what Huffington Post is doing… and I too would not be shocked
    if they paid BIG money for this ill idea.

  • JustaGurlinseattle

    This has NOTHING to do with Civility and EVERYTHING to do with DATA MINING….

    If this was only to confirm who I am, I MIGHT have taken the bait….
    BUT, when I was about to link my Facebook page to my LONG LONG time
    Huffington Post account, the prompt says that they will have access to my
    personal page and my friends lists and their information.

    There are other ways to make for a more civil tone, one would be for HP to stop
    censoring EVERY SINGLE post a person makes….

    I’m quite liberal, and am always polite in my comments on HP and have not been
    into name calling or using abusive language, HOWEVER, I would say only about 50% of my
    posts make it past moderation.
    That in my opinion makes people LESS civil in that they want to start pushing harder and
    harder to see if they can get an abusive post past the moderators.

    In past, I have belonged to MANY different news sites,
    some that don’t even have harsh moderation and people kept a civil tone
    out of respect for the site and their being able to have such freedom.
    People naturally want to rebel when they are too heavily moderated.

    Though, like I said,…. this has NOTHING to do with civility….
    They chose Facebook for the MONEY and Data mining…..
    NOTHING MORE…. NOTHING less….

  • VP kuttam
  • JustaGurlinseattle

    Ohhhhh I also hate that Huff Post live….

    It is sooo FREAKINg annoying…..

    I am more than capable of READING my NEWS thank you….

  • JustaGurlinseattle

    I wish I could like this comment a “thousand” times…..

    That is EXACTLY what Huffington Post is doing… and I too would not be shocked
    if they paid BIG money for this ill idea.

  • JustaGurlinseattle

    This has NOTHING to do with Civility and EVERYTHING to do with DATA MINING….

    If this was only to confirm who I am, I MIGHT have taken the bait….
    BUT, when I was about to link my Facebook page to my LONG LONG time
    Huffington Post account, the prompt says that they will have access to my
    personal page and my friends lists and their information.

    There are other ways to make for a more civil tone, one would be for HP to stop
    censoring EVERY SINGLE post a person makes….

    I’m quite liberal, and am always polite in my comments on HP and have not been
    into name calling or using abusive language, HOWEVER, I would say only about 50% of my
    posts make it past moderation.
    That in my opinion makes people LESS civil in that they want to start pushing harder and
    harder to see if they can get an abusive post past the moderators.

    In past, I have belonged to MANY different news sites,
    some that don’t even have harsh moderation and people kept a civil tone
    out of respect for the site and their being able to have such freedom.
    People naturally want to rebel when they are too heavily moderated.

    Though, like I said,…. this has NOTHING to do with civility….
    They chose Facebook for the MONEY and Data mining…..
    NOTHING MORE…. NOTHING less….

  • Lindstr7

    It seemed to me there was an influx of neo-con trolls posting trite nonsense after the AOL takeover and I wondered where they all came from. From AOL accounts I guess (didn’t know anyone still used AOL). Anyway, thanks for the very good post. Let us know if you find a new home or at least some good news sites that have a decent commenting platform. Who will be the next HP…….?

  • Kim willay

    Yep.

    See, I thought about making a “Johnny Smith” Facebook for commenting on various sites but now that cannot be done because you MUST verify your Facebook by way of a mobile phone number.

    Look, I get that everyone has a mobile now but you do not HAVE to have one.

    Honestly, I am now thinking of buying a 19 dollar TracFone “burner” just to verify a phony Facebook just so I can comment anonymously on the internet.

    Because it is too scary to have your information out there.

    If someone disagrees with you, they can contact your employer and make claims about what you have posted online.

    I will bet most large companies would fire first and ask questions later in those cases.

    Worse is if you disagree with a wackjob, they may be interested in hunting you down.

    So, looks like I will be spending 20 bucks on a phony cell phone so I can verify a phony Facebook page so I can leave my TRUE feelings in comment sections without fear of reprisal.

    I wonder if Facebook would then decide to only allow you to verify your page if you have AT&T or Verizon.

  • Kim willay

    THIS.

    Why in the world would you DARE engage in a political discussion only to have your real identity known?

    Same with topics involving drugs, race, sex, etc.

    There are A LOT of people who cannot come out as conservative as this would harm their careers.

    Also, what happens if you disagree with someone and they take such personal offense that they now wish to seek you down?

    Then they will contact your employers or relatives and make your life hell because of a petty grudge.

    Look, people do take these things seriously and people do get very angry when people oppose their viewpoints so I could definitely see trolls looking to get people fired from their jobs.

    Hey, John Smith who works for Widgets and Stuff just said he was against gay marriage?

    Boy, let me contact Widgets and Stuff and tell them they have lost a customer because they hire homophobes!

    See what can happen?

    A company would then fire a guy because it’s easier to get a new hire than to replace a customer and everyone is trigger happy when it comes to canning someone for being politically incorrect.

    Don’t like someone who left a comment?

    Look them up on Facebook, contact their employer and tell them off and suddenly you can get someone fired for disagreeing with you on HuffPo.

    The internet is built on anonymity.

    It is sad that it is being taken away.

  • Cynth

    Glad to see you here, VirginiaJeff. Yes, it’s mind-boggling how out-of-touch HP has been with the community that helped to establish the site. How did they realistically expect many people to react to a flawed policy and botched execution? I hope this story gains more traction in the broader press and become the poster child for how NOT to alienate your online community.

  • RF_Dude

    Now, to actually comment on this well-written article.

    First off, I had been (until Tuesday night) a poster at HP for just over 4 years – anonymous during the entire time. I interacted with literally thousands of others, all except for a very few also posting anonymously. While there were some ‘trolls’ during the first 2 years, by far the vast majority of my interactions there were pleasant and educational, _even_ with other strangers who held quite different political opinions from mine.

    After the HPH/AOL merger, though, the experience changed very quickly, and not for the better.

    Many thousands of new accounts rolled into HP from AOL, vastly increasing the commenter-community and introducing what we came to call the ‘nickel poster’ trolls. These are paid political trolls (also known as ‘blog warriors’) who come into threads with the sole intent of disrupting conversation and spreading unrest.

    Now, here is the interesting thing. It was noticed by many long-time, experienced posters that the moderation filters were blocking an increasing percentage of user posts but almost never blocking the paid troll postings. It was amazing – on many occasions I saw postings, even ones that clearly violated the sketchy TOS guidelines, stand and even be copied again and again to keep the comment on the first or second page of a thread.

    Paid posters, those very same disruptive trolls that HP ‘says’ it is trying to eliminate, were allowed to run freely in the threads while the ‘civilian’ posters experienced an ever-tightening moderation and comment rejection that effectively choked off any hope of ‘conversation’.

    Now, under the claim of ‘civility’, ALL posters must supply a verified FaceBook account. The reason given is to ‘ increase civility’ – a false argument, as HP itself has enabled the very incivility that it now claims it is trying to control. This is obvious to anyone who has been commenting on the threads for the past several years.

    There is much more to this story, but the bottom line is always ‘follow the money’. What does HP gain from this new policy? That’s obvious – they gain open access to FB data contained in the accounts of the many unsophisticated users who know nothing about personal security online. Their data, friends, links, political ‘likes’, buying habits and all the other ‘stuff’ people post on FB will be wide-open to the agglomeration machine that is HP, and it will be QUITE profitable for HP in terms of advertising revenue.

    So yeah, given all this and a LOT of other things I will no longer participate in the HP ‘experience’.

  • Lindstr7

    We have been reduced to a commodity. No cell phone? No face book? We don’t want to hear from you. How very egalitarian. Who on earth would give out their cell phone number? I have a new opinion of HP commenters post 12/10/13. (suckers)

  • dmac

    It’s year zero at Huffington Post. Excluding the death part, of course.

  • Cynth

    Well, if you say so, of course… “Happy Commenting!”

  • mados123

    Even w/ a fake FB account, doesn’t FB need an active cell number to “verify” you for HP? They are unbelievable.

  • Cynth

    Same here. With the continued exodus and imposed lurking of many long-time members, the forums have become bland, less informative, and uninteresting. There are other ways to address abuses (if this is the only or primary intention) than having to verify through to a service that many people despise and avoid. There are also ways of treating one’s readership and community that conveys more consideration and respect. I have no love for HP anymore, only for the community it once supported.

  • Lindstr7

    Dear HP, I’m a spy from former soviet bloc country, i haaf many enemies, please to accept my application to post anonymously, much thanks in advance….boris?

  • Cynth

    I posted this in Epoch Times, but thought I’d do it here, too:

    Many people have addressed the various flaws with this policy, so I won’t; but the application to comment anonymously hasn’t received as much attention. How will HP do this? Will they verify the person through another means? If so, why do others need to use Facebook? If not, why bother with the policy in the first place? How will HP determine the legitimacy of the application?

    This is another indication of how this idea and execution is ill-conceived.

  • Json

    The new policy will not make HP more civil, because the way to circumvent the policy is by making fake accounts and verifying fake information, and guess who is really good at that…Trolls!!
    It is plainly obvious to users that this is a data grab. The article explaining the new policy has about 99.9% comments slamming the new policy with comments getting hundreds of fav’s.
    I have been on there for years with over a 1000 fans and 15000 comments. I will NOT link to my facebook account. I am giving FB a few weeks to reverse this policy. If they don’t, I will be cancelling my account, because I am not going to pad their user numbers.
    It sounds like many people (especially long-time users) are viewing this as a great excuse to leave. People were getting tired of the misleading headlines, the terrible slideshows, and jthe all around lousy journalism. This new policy may be the straw that breaks the camel’s back for many (myself included)

    Greetings to any friends and fans :)

  • Cynth

    And that’s just it. Facebook (and now HP) can’t be trusted on their policies. As we’ve seen, too often, what they say now will not so be later…

  • Cynth

    Agreed, jokamachi. I will miss posters like you who help make the community what it was.

  • Cynth

    And many more of us would have weighed in, if we wanted to get in bed with the Facebook.

  • RF_Dude

    I, like many others here, closed my HP account last night after the
    latest change to their commenting policy. I’ve been there for just over
    4 years, but given all of the recent changes at HP, I concluded that I
    no longer wanted to support or be a member of that site.

    For the
    first few years it was a good community and for the last 6 months it
    became more and more dysfunctional as new, arbitrary policies were put
    in place.

    There are many familiar ‘faces’ that I recognize in
    this thread. Wishing all of you fair sailing to wherever you find
    haven, hopefully we shall run into each other from time to time on the
    Internetz.

    It was fun there while it lasted, hope to see you again.

  • RF_Dude

    Sorry, needed to verify

  • KillerRamen

    Yeah… I’m done with HuffPo. I’m not giving them my phone number and private information.

  • jackholesrealm

    What is happening on the Huffington Post is a dangerous trend that unless people get motivated will become the norm. here is a little holiday cheer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkbpJDBJUSE&feature=c4-overview&list=UU2pN9L19ep0D6jEpJEBXYlw

  • justanaverageguy

    Anonymity of opinion is fundamental to democracy and freedom. What’s next, no more’secret ballots? Anonymity allowed this country to be born.

    Facebook is already losing steam as users are discovering that social media that requires identified users can be very dangerous to ones career, not just tomorrow but 10 years from now.. Your opinion can get you fired.

    I don’t even visit sites such as Gannett, that don’t allow customers to comment anonymously. HP will rue the day that they have collaborated with FB in an effort to steal the anonymity of their members.

  • HarukoHaruhara

    A) I *barely* trust FB with what little personal information I have given them.

    B) NOTHING will stop the most vile trolls from simply setting up fake FB accounts to get into HP, so this will do NOTHING to stop trolling, so I don’t see how this will possibly make HuffPost move “civil.”

    C) Huffpost flat out LIED that they would not do this to longstanding posters. They plain lied. They’ve actually admitted they lied, but their euphemism was “oh, we’re sorry if you felt (sic) mislead.”

  • majorwiblit

    Gone are those Friday nights,,full of music and laughter,,,commenting,,
    clinking glass’s,,people talking about how their week went..
    Gone are those mid-week afternoons,,when the thread seemed to be flying by
    cause a big story broke,,and it seemed like everyone you knew fans/friends
    were there!
    Gone are those sad stories,,that touch people’s hearts,,and make them think
    and comment about their own lives..
    Gone are those friends,,,who you saw almost every day,,,for what 2-3 years?
    For some people 3-5 years??
    Gone are those great conversations we would have,,,facts,,opinions,,traded
    back and forth
    Gone,,,is that HP community,,of people,,and not just clicks

    I was banned a few months ago,,,,and I was never told why,,,even after 8 e-mails to them
    So that’s that,,oh well to bad so sad,,,

  • Lindstr7

    Definitely. It feels like a double slap in the face. One up for the big corporations and one down for the people. This is a money deal and they’ve frozen out many voices that used HP as a valuable social media tool. Now we are muted unless we agree to give up our personal information (cell phones, i doubt it!). Our PRIVACY. It’s a bad move on their part but on the bright side it will open the door for smaller news sites that will absorb those of us on the left who use social media in some form to voice our opinions, exchange ideas, etc.

  • Gregory Roth

    The most offensive thing is to pretend this is about creating a civil environment, What they really want is verifiable information that is more valuable to sell to advertisers, I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out Huffington Post got some kind of sweetheart deal from facebook for doing this too, its a sleazy advertising cash grab, which is why I deleted my account today, shame on you Huffington post,

  • Gregory Roth

    missed that bit.

  • Ramon

    How did they do this in the age of proven NSA and the lies widespread surveillance??? I, like so many other, would never give a site like FB my phone number, not specially after it became known there were, or still are by the looks of it, in cahoots with spy agencies.

  • BryceButler1

    I closed my HuffPo account. Over 3k comments, and almost 2k fans. I wouldn’t have mind creating a non-verified Facebook account to comment, but I refuse to give Facebook my cell # to have a verified account.

  • Big Rob

    AOL has taken one of its best assets and ruined it. Site traffic will plummet. The reason a lot of people on both sides of the fence liked HuffPost was anonymous commenting, just like Discus.

    I can get my news elsewhere. The news on the site wasn’t that great anyway.

  • Billy_boe

    Yes, at least they weaned us off it to some extent.
    The new format cut my posts in half before this new policy cut my interest completely.

  • Jonathan Dough

    I just cancelled my account on Huffington Post. I don’t have a Facebook account; and the account would not be verified with my cell phone/GPS tracking device if I did have one; and I certainly would not give any of that to AOL.

    Posting comments was one of the attractions to Huffington Post, along with a very user friendly content layout. But the format alone is unlikely to keep my interest, especially since there are plenty of other choices that I have been to lazy to check out until now.

    Not like me ditching Huffington Post is much for them to care about. I use adblock plus; so I wasn’t making anyone any money anyway.

  • Billy_boe

    How to get phone calls from unknown solicitors at all hours of the day and night??

    Give your number to Facebook.

  • Billy_boe

    Just cancelled my account after 6 years and thousands of fans.
    Give Facebook my phone number?
    Never going to happen.
    And people claim the government is intrusive.

  • Billy_boe

    Huffington lost a lot more liberal posters over this than conservative posters.
    This is about as corporate media making a buck. There is no liberal media.

  • Lindstr7

    They should have gotten a clue when they gave Tim McDonald (huffpo community director) the task of telling the HP community that they would be required as of tomorrow (today) be required to link with Facebook. He got two “favs” and one “thank you.” The rest of the 2,368 comments were, as expected, overwhelmingly negative.

  • ScootFla

    When did the left ever have anything to do with mainstream media? Even MSNBC is moderate at best. Please name anything in the mainstream that’s open-minded, generous, and freethinking (all the requirements to be considered “left”).

  • john649

    totally agree!

  • john649

    WOW!! HP totally screwed this move up. Comments are waaaay down. NO way am I giving HP my personal FB data and PHONE NUMBER???? Are they crazy?? No way am I linking FB to HP. With a poor moderation system, comment threads that keeps getting worse the more they change it and their annoying auto-video play so they can push their move into HP tv on us perhaps this is the best “kicked to the curb” wake-up call I could ever have.

  • Lindstr7

    You’re voicing what many people are thinking. They want cell phone numbers….what’s that tell you. Smacks of potential data mining revenue.

  • Jack McCoy

    Any indication that this decision was financially motivated? fb will surely gain a great number of new users as a result of this change, any chance they’re kicking something back to HuffPost for the favor?

  • Lindstr7

    Exactly right. They’re basically stymieing 2/3rds of their users (comments are WAY down) and think (hoping) we’re so in love with HP that we’re willing to trade our personal info (plus friends too! and cell phone numbers!) just for the privilege of posting our opinions there. Think again AOL.

  • Lindstr7

    Many people are giving up their HP habit because of this and looking for alternative sites. This smacks of data mining for profit and many of us will have none of it.

  • jokamachi

    I’ve been a HP poster for over five years now with more than 21,000 posts and over 8,400 fans. By and large I have found the community there to to be intelligent, stimulating, and more than worth knowing, but very little about this new deceptive, authoritarian policy appeals to me. I’m not interested in giving up my personal information in order to be profiled and set upon my advertisers, spammers, and stalkers via my Facebook account. HP’s need for a so-called troll-free environment is a joke, as HP has the most heavy handed moderators in the business, and the notion that the tone of the site will change overnight is little more than window-dressing for their real purpose of selling your personal information to the highest bidder. Keep in mind there are many sites out there that are just as good if not better than HP. True I will miss many of the colorful personalities I have had the pleasure of acquainting myself with over the years, but in no way am I so desperate that I would sacrifice my freedom and right to anonymity in order to continue my relationship with HP.

    Grandfather this in, HuffPo liars: Up yours.

  • Lindstr7

    I know its silly but as a loyal HP user and regular commenter, I’m kind of stunned at this move. It pretty much goes against the zeitgeist of HP and its followers. Oh well, they’ve just opened up the door for places like poynter.org to fill the void….free market!

  • Lindstr7

    here here!

  • Deaf girl

    It’s a total hatchet job. I hope they see the drop in members. They buried that one explanation article so deep it’s hard to find. They delete all negative comments about the changes, too.

  • Lindstr7

    Not to mention profit from data mining. Truth is, I’m surprised it didn’t happen sooner with AOL at the helm.

  • Lindstr7

    Amen to that.

  • Lindstr7

    Lol @ change the world. I know, I was practically sobbing when I went in for my daily dose of HP and they imposed this awful awful thing called Facebook on me (before I even had coffee). Then I took a breath and realized, hey, Thanks AOL, I really do need a break from this anyway, I’m not really changing the world here right? (But I’m still pissed that they’re making this money grab for our personal info.)

  • Lindstr7

    I think it was the combination of news with its left(ish) bent and its awesome commenting system before they decided to change that too (with a deluge of complaints about that as well). I personally think this was a major screw up on their part and will have the exact opposite effect than they intended. They will likely lose viewers (or whatever you call them) and in turn, revenue. What a bunch of idjits.

  • Deaf girl

    Excellent post !!!

  • Deaf girl

    They stink now. Too slow. They are in bed with Facebook to boot! You say anything about not liking the new format and they delete your comment. Why call it News & Opinion when it’s only their opinion now? I’m mad at them.

  • Lindstr7

    Finally, I can voice my extreme disappointment in HP’s new commenting requirements via FAceBook! What a crock.
    I’ve been commenting there for years and while there are lots of trolls
    and poseurs, it’s pretty easy to tell who was just being an idiot and
    who was making genuine comments. This seems to be nothing more than a
    corporate maneuver to boost Facebook stock or AOL trying to eek more
    revenue out of HP or both. It pretty much goes against the zeitgeist of
    HP. There are many MANY who REFUSE to give them detailed personal
    information (phone number?! yeahright!) (which facebook has proudly stated they OWN and can sell) so that they can turn around and SELL it?! Eff off AOL. Your days are numbered lol.

  • da_veritas

    Huffpost seems to be suicidal. They are going to lose a ton of visitors if they don’t reverse this. First off they’ve always been heavy handed on the censorship with many comments being delayed or deleted for no discernable reason. Then they went to a new commenting format that is harder to follow than calculus. Now this inability to post without having a facebook account has people leaving in droves. I personally went from 2110 fans to 1716 just from yesterday to today.

  • Guest

    I deleted my HuffPo account this morning. This reaks of data mining and I can’t believe HuffPo things we’re that stupid. How does having access to my cat pictures improve civility? Furthermore, this civility problem that HuffPo keeps referring to is a mystery to me. Even before they became obsessed with moderation a few years back, it wasn’t that bad in the comments section. 99% of people are on topic and don’t resort to personal attacks. Disagreeing is not a personal attack. It seems like they want all comments to say, “I agree with this piece.”

  • ThatGuyD

    Just deleted mine 5 mins ago. I’m guessing it’s to get more bang for
    their buck when selling your info to 3rd parties. The price those
    parties pay probably doubles or triples with a phone number attached to
    it.

    NOW. The real question. Where can I start going for
    a decent sized community like HuffPo was? I can’t say for sure what it
    was about that place, maybe it was all of the ignorant people that gave
    me a chuckle first thing in the morning, or the fact I could catch up on
    something I may have missed on Reddit in the previous days (since
    that’s where they get a ton of their material from), but it will be
    missed.

  • TheRewd

    Go ahead and delete it, it only deactivates. Your profile is still waiting for your return, all you need to do is log in and it’s like you never left .. you just have to link a verified Facebook account, the reason you left to begin with.

  • TheRewd

    If you like your current health care plan, you can keep it .. kinda, well not really I never said that.

    :/

  • TheRewd

    The problem for me, as well as thousands of others, was that there was no notice the change was going to occur. I arrived on the site yesterday, went to comment and *boom* up came the window telling me to link to Facebook or remain on the sidelines. I would have liked to have participated in the conversation that was going on with Tim McDonald but in order to do so I would have had to verify my account through Facebook. So my thoughts and opinions, as I’m sure hundreds of thousands of others, simply couldn’t get expressed.

    No doubt the decision to spring this new policy on longtime members was calculated in order to keep irate dissent to a minimum, though I did see several posts noticing that critical comments were getting spiked by moderators.

    I looked at HuffingtonPost this afternoon and the story with by far the most comments was Mr.McDonald’s post, around 2k, whereas most stories on the site are in the low hundreds and many others are simply bereft of any comments at all. The people who were posting to the aforementioned story were all noticing a rapid disappearance of “friends” and “followers” from their accounts, last number I saw was an average of 10% in one day.

    The true believers have no problem seeing the new policy as wonderful since they consider anyone who disagrees with them as an “uncivil troll”, so maybe that’s Arianna’s goal … a site for those who agree with one another. Can’t get much more civil than that.

    Plus they get all the new revenue from Facebook data.

  • TheRewd

    After 5 years Obama slams are finally acceptable, just making up for lost time.

  • exfl

    I agree totally. I am done with them. The only reason I have not deleted my account is a faint hope that they will have a disastrous enough decline in revenue to revoke this obnoxious and intrusive policy that honestly makes me feel I might be at risk from some of the crazies who populate my small town. (I also assume that this policy was made by someone who has no clue about the social dynamics of small towns in the rural South.)

  • dermutt

    Just deleted HP account after 4 years. Maybe I’ll give up commenting anywhere, I’m not going to change the world…oh, and Facebook??…how regressive, it’s 2013 for goodness sake.

  • exfl

    We agree on everything but the Obama slam. I hope to have the opportunity to discuss issues with you on some other site.

  • exfl

    Way, way too intrusive. I spent a considerable amount of time interacting with people on Huffington Post. I was polite and reasonable. However, if I was personally identified, my moderate to liberal comments would probably get me fired from my job here in ultra-conservative Tea Party dominated South Carolina. I will no longer pay much attention to Huffington Post despite having over 1200 followers there. I wonder how many other people will avoid this venue because their identity would be too available to political extremists who might wish to harm them.

  • mados123

    HP did me a favor. 6,339 comments over the past 4 years and I can say it did 3 things best for me. 1) It gave me an opportunity to hone my writing and thinking skills and which I am grateful for 2) Realize that the hyperbole such as “You won’t be able to Unsee this” or “Your heart will melt after reading this” is about as clever as “You have inherited money from Nigeria.” 3) Gave me another way to procrastinate when I should of been doing other, more productive things which would be more fulfilling. Funny how my last comment was “Penny wise, dollar foolish.” After seeing the minimal number of comments with the headline stories now, I wonder if that same shortsightedness applies. I look forward now to the extra time I will have – thank you HP.

  • MBG9

    I’m done with HuffPo, and I had triple-digit fans. Talk about Big Brother. Fuggeddabbouddit!

  • VirginiaJeff

    Thanks for covering this story. I’ve had an account with HP for five years. Cancelled it yesterday and won’t be back. The whole situation, from premise (“This will make people more civil) to broken promise (“Existing users won’t be affected”) is just weird, and the way it was sprung on us was extremely disrespectful.

  • R. Millis

    This approach now being dictated by HuffPost should set off warning bells. It smacks of authoriatarian rule and an undercover survelliance tactic.
    I WILL NOT be posting at HuffPost until this policy is usurped by those who are outraged.

  • geezer 56

    I haven’t deleted my HuffPost account yet, but about 20 of my friends already have, and hardly any of the rest have signed up and resumed commenting. HP flat-out LIED when they said existing accounts would be grandfathered in, and I’m more than slightly ticked off about that. Not to mention that if “civility” is really the reason behind this, I can already see it’s not working.

  • Peeker Boo

    Not to mention, Facebook changes their policies at the drop of a hat & it’s up to the user to try to keep track of the newest hoops they must jump through in order to attempt to monitor the convoluted “privacy” settings.

    I don’t trust social sites such as Facebook or Twitter as far as I can throw them. They don’t have the user’s interest at heart – they are looking to make money & they will do whatever they can to make a buck.

  • Peeker Boo

    Gregory Roth, the way I read things: the article describing the upcoming changes was written in August so as of then any new users had to sign up through Facebook & HuffPo regulars were still able to post without being forced to link to a Facebook acct…. YET. They were temporarily “grandfathered in.”

    Now all users are expected to embrace Facebook if they want to continue to post at HuffPo.

  • Peeker Boo

    Goodbye HuffPo.

    People have to be CRAZY to link all their internet activity back to any single acct.

    Arianna must be nuts if she thinks people will feel comfortable discussing controversial topics such as personal relationships, politics or religion using their real names that can eventually be traced to their Facebook account where employers can punish people they disagree with.

    Instead of attempting to force people to identify themselves without knowing what kind of databases are being created & for what purposes they might eventually be used – let them employ software to monitor for unacceptable posts AND take action against posters who violate THEIR rules.

    HuffPo has shirked their responsibility to police themselves & now wants to take the easy way out. And I’ll bet my bottom dollar they are making a boatload of money by marrying Facebook. A marriage made in Hell.

  • John Doe

    HuffPost has fewer and fewer stories. Half are just click through links (do they get paid per click?) to stories on other sites. Not even a paragraph telling what the story is about, and the horrible headlines do not tell what the story is about. Click to another site if you want to find out? No thanks. The other half of the stories are tabloid style fake outrage and “Miley sideboob sightings” articles. Not much real news any more on the Huff Post.

  • John Doe

    “The change will only affect users creating new accounts on HuffPost. Existing accounts will be grandfathered into the new system.”– Jimmy Soni, HP Managing Editor, 8/23/2013

    Nothing like bait and switch. Since getting $315 million from AOL for her blog, Arianna Huffington has lost her values. (Did you know the previous sentence could never be posted on HP? The auto delete moderator would not allow the words “$315 million” to be posted. We were not allowed to talk about the owner.)

    I have been a HuffPost poster for most of its years. I have tens of thousands of posts and thousands of fans. Well, I used to. I lose about one or two fans per week from normal attrition. Over 60 of my long term fans have cancelled their HP accounts in the last 24 hours. One every 30 minutes, and I expect this to continue for a while.

    I can no longer comment, only Fave posts, Fan posters, and (helpful hint) Flag posts I disagree with. (They are offensive, right?) The only way to contact the HP staff is to use the Appeal to Remain Anonymous form and send them an anonymous message.

    When will other media and advertisers notice the Huff Post decline in readership? Few articles in the last 24 hours have over 100 comments. A typical one has 19 comments, while last week the same article would have 300 to 500 comments in the same time frame.

    HP wants a Facebook account with real name, email, and a cell phone number linked to every post. Bad enough for new posts, but they plan to retroactively apply this to every post a person ever anonymously posted over the years. Facebook’s datamining computer will suck keywords out of every anonymous post ever made and link them to the advertising database of your cell number. Not going to happen in my house.

    I am one of the posters who made HP what it is. HP just kicked me out.

  • j238

    Really don’t want to link my FB account to anything. Don’t have the time to read the fine print about what they will & won’t do with my information & who can see what.

    I’ve been active on HuffPo for years.

    Maybe I’ll link to a fake FB account. Maybe I’ll just cut down my Huffington Post usage.

  • 20WilliamHolder10

    Some poor people and others who may not live where a cell phone is useful or those who may be homebound without a need for a mobile are disenfranchised by this policy.

  • Kelly

    Thank you for having a spot to vent about this! I have been a member of Huffpo for years and have never wanted Facebook, don’t want now. Feeling very lied to and manipulated. It’s like we’ve been ‘Obamacared’ ( same lies about the grandfathering in the old accounts insurance providers!) Free speech is dead at Huffpo.

  • ottlh

    It’s pretty fun seeing all of the people complaining about the new system on the article that discusses the changes. I’ve got to imagine that this is probably not HP staff’s best day ever. Many people have perfectly legitimate reasons for wanting to post under a pseudonym. This new policy is so unbelievable tone deaf and it looks like HP is already paying the price with the drop in both comments and subscribers.

  • BillygoatsGruff312

    Yep. I’m done with HP also. Its all about getting personal data for their advertisers (and possibly a side deal HP made with Facebook). I suppose I’ll have to get my news from actual news websites now. Goodbye HP!

  • Gregory Roth

    Hmm grandfathered in? I’ve been on HP for years and it still demanded I verify with facebook.

  • 6 one way half a dozen another

    HuffPost doesn’t really have many worthwhile stories to begin with, let alone any real reason to want to comment. Short and lightweight is how I see most of them, rarely having to actually scroll down once you center that text. Ever since Arianna sold it, it hasn’t really gotten its chops back. It’s now just a few steps above Buzzfeed for true relevance. Why couldn’t they just go through Discus like we are right now? Oh, that’s right. I would have to become John Doe or John D. to do it. Well, no real great loss. Sorry, HuffPost, but you just aren’t worth even bothering to read with any regularity (or semi-regularity either).

  • DissentNow

    It’s truly sickening. What you will hear from the proponents, in total obliviousness to its irony, will be a familiar refrain: “well, if you have nothing to hide, then what is the problem?” Imagine, for example, the Arab Spring, except everyone’s exact digits and data are directly linked for ready access by whomever with the power to demand it or backdoor it, or hack it or whatever other method the NSA currently uses stateside?

  • TheRewd

    Former HP member here, deleted my account last evening when it was demanded that I link to my Facebook page. I was also going to be required to give Facebook my phone number, which I refuse to do, in order to become “verified”.

    This has to do with one thing and that being the data contained in my Facebook account. I was not about to give HP access to that just so they could further their advertising not only to me but also my “friends”. They say it’s about “civility” but you’re talking about a site that has one of the most onerous filters in the industry plus a system that “premoderates” every comment. In practice that means you have ideologically driven moderators who spike comments most times simply because they disagree with the point being made, not for any amount of civility though I guess having a website made up of nothing but people who think alike might be considered so. HuffingtonPost is extremely protective of their contributors and will go to great lengths to not publish comments that disagree with them.

    I think sites such as HP take themselves way too seriously. Sure there might be a select few who blog regularly or feel the need to comment heavily but for most it’s just another “thing to do” on the web. The vast majority of users don’t need this level of a security clearance, geez.

    Not that I do a whole lot on Facebook anyway, but somehow being required by company A to participate with company B is highly inappropriate especially given the superficial nature of the entire endeavor unless, again, the profit to be made by company A is the objective.

    Have to laugh though, when I went to delete my account it turns out they won’t let you break up with them you’re only allowed to “deactivate” the thing. Just return, log in and presto! all your profile is back as it was. I guess they see themselves on par with Facebook or G+ as a social networking site as opposed to just another news venue where people can comment on what’s going on.

    Bye HP! *waves*