HuffPost policy banishes trolls — and drives away some frequent commenters

When The Huffington Post announced that all commenters — not just new registrants — would be required starting Dec. 10 to link their profiles to Facebook accounts verified with a phone number and have their real names displayed when commenting, the reaction was fierce. Commenters, many of whom had left thousands of comments and amassed thousands of “fans” over five or more years on the site, felt betrayed.

When I asked about the reasoning behind the policy via email last month, HuffPost Director of Community Tim McDonald referred me to comments from Arianna Huffington reported by GigaOm earlier in the year: “Trolls are just getting more and more aggressive and uglier and I just came from London where there are rape and death threats.” And: “I feel that freedom of expression is given to people who stand up for what they say and [are] not hiding behind anonymity. …We need to evolve a platform to meet the needs of the grown-up Internet.”

But the more than 1,100 comments on a Poynter story reporting the new policy don’t seem to be written by trolls or children. Here’s a representative example:

HuffPo must be nuts if they think people will feel comfortable discussing controversial topics such as personal relationships, politics or religion using their real names that can eventually be traced to their Facebook account where employers can punish people they disagree with.

Anonymity is a major loss for some HuffPost commenters. They face the choice of leaving a community they had come to call home or setting up a Facebook account and revealing their names at a place where anonymity previously had made them comfortable discussing sensitive topics. (Users also have speculated that Facebook and HuffPost cut some kind of business deal. McDonald told the Epoch Times that wasn’t the case.)

McDonald told me HuffPost expected some outcry, but said it is “confident that as we move forward, this will make for a more engaged and diverse community.” So HuffPost is choosing to lose some hardcore readers, such as those commenting on Poynter posts, in exchange for debate less likely to go off the rails. But how likely is civil discussion to happen? And what’s the danger when debate gets too tidy?

Anonymity’s impact

An in-depth report on online commenting policies published in October by the World Association of Newspapers and News Publishers (available for free) summarized news organizations’ feeling toward anonymity:

Real name registration vs. allowing anonymity is a divisive issue, with no consensus of which was preferable. There is a general feeling that requiring real names leads to a better quality of conversation, though smaller in terms of numbers. However, many organisations believe it is important to offer anonymity as an option to those who might not be able to speak freely under their real names.

Among the findings of the report: articles on politics attract the most comments. That’s a topic HuffPost users mentioned time and again as one they’d hesitate to comment on if their bosses could come across their views with a simple Google name search. Said commenter Popgirl reacting to one Poynter.org story:

I have a lot of Republican clients and/or very conservative ciients. Why would I have my identity known when discussing political views and views on abortion, etc, on a very public forum? I dropped off of Facebook a long time ago anyway for privacy concerns.

The WAN-IFRA report notes that Haaretz in Israel offers users the choice of either anonymous commenting or Facebook commenting; unsurprisingly, 99 percent choose anonymity. Meanwhile, Disqus, the social commenting plugin that powers Poynter.org’s comments, said in 2012 that 61 percent of comments are left by readers using pseudonyms, while 35 percent are left by completely anonymous readers. Just 4 percent chose to use a real name.

So what has happened to news organizations that chose to ban anonymity altogether? From the WAN-IFRA report:

Zero Hora, Brazil, switched from a registration-free system to one that requires 
a full name, email address and ID number: “We used to have a huge number of comments but they were very poor – it wasn’t 
a relevant debate. So we decided to close that and now we have this registration requirement for everyone who wants to comment. This is also strategic so that we have fewer comments and we can monitor them with more attention.”

At HuffPost, where homepage stories used to routinely attract thousands of comments, relatively few front-page stories seem to be cracking quadruple digits now, as HuffPost “ex-pats” have rather gleefully — and anecdotally — noted. (For a nonscientific example, contrast this mid-day homepage from mid-November with this one from mid-December.) Certainly being able to divert fewer resources to comment moderation is an advantage, but HuffPost seems more concerned with the quality of comments than the quantity.

(Via email, I asked HuffPost’s McDonald to give me some idea of what he has observed in comment drop off, but he hasn’t gotten back to me. We’ll add his response if he does.) See update below for a statement from McDonald.

Interestingly, TechCrunch, an AOL property like HuffPost, offers a relevant example of what happens after employing new anti-troll tactics. The site switched to Facebook comments (different from HuffPost’s commenting system that links verified Facebook accounts to existing site profiles) in 2011, but two years later declared: “Commenters, We Want You Back.”

But we eventually discovered that our anti-troll tactic worked too well; The bullies and asshats left our comments sections, but so did everyone else. Now, several years later, after dozens of endless meetings and conference calls, we’ve decided we’re going to try out Livefyre instead of Facebook Comments.

Well, that didn’t last: TechCrunch returned to Facebook comments just last month after Livefyre proved slow and unstable. The takeaway: there’s no easy, enduring solution to the vexing problem of comments.

Botched execution?

TechCrunch also offers a particularly useful lesson in transparency and requiring real names as palatable as possible to users. A week into its first switch to Facebook comments, TechCrunch asked its readers whether anti-troll measures were working too well, resulting in “overly sycophantic,” gushing comments. That’s some admirable transparency.

Meanwhile, HuffPost users are leaving the site, expressing anger at what they see as a lack of transparency — and broken promises, since they expected to be grandfathered into the new commenting system based on remarks by HuffPost Managing Editor Jimmy Soni. Of course, it’s too early to draw any conclusions on whether the new commenting system will substantially affect site traffic: early Quantcast data seems to show a not insignificant dropoff since the change, but seasonal factors may also play a part.

While few news organizations have created the level of commenting communities fostered by HuffPost, one major lesson has emerged from the site’s commenting policy: taking loyal readers by surprise leads to unnecessary resentment. Why not communicate big changes transparently and in advance to minimize backlash and afford readers — in this case readers who helped build HuffPost into the media behemoth that it is today — a little more respect?

UPDATE, Jan. 13: HuffPost’s McDonald sent me this statement via email:

We are very happy with the results so far. Comments are better, commenters are more cilivil, moderation has become easier, and the community is very healthy. We continue to work on improvements to provide a great reading and commenting experience and the positive results are visible to anyone who visits our site today. One of our commenters sums up what we are seeing and hope more experience:

“Everyone can say what they want – but I have noticed the respect level on comments has gone way up, and people are treating each other much more humanely. I am not noticing as many cheap, insulting blows to people….rather they are expressing opinions in a more intelligent and thought out manner.” – Christina R.

Previously: Commenters on HuffPost mobile apps will soon need Facebook verification too | Want to comment on HuffPost? Just give Facebook your phone number first | Huffington Post will end anonymous comments

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  • OnyxE

    Someone should ask Tim if HP had to let their paid clickers go. How do you explain the nosedive in viewers yesterday, a supposedly normal Tuesday but suddenly less visitors than they have had since April, 2011. And this is after they have expanded to include Brazil Post and World Post.

    https://www.quantcast.com/huffingtonpost.com#!traffic

  • geezer 56

    It’s the troll version of “New Coke.” Same old thing, just blander.

  • Ramanusia

    Expressing one’s political views is “self indulgence”? But that’s exactly what your gods did, indulge themselves all over the place under a pseudonym, embracing their anonymity and evading your counterparts of their day, who deified the King and worshiped England. Your opinion means something, and expressing that opinion and reading the opinions of others does change something: all that makes up your vote.

    Perhaps it’s just your comments that have no impact on society, but those who are informed, educated and argue their points intelligently, THOSE comments have a quantifiable impact on society. What’s ridiculous is you. Posting anonymous messages on the internet is not a federal crime, but taking away anonymity so that the crazed psychopaths can identify you so that they CAN more effectively threaten and endanger you? Well, it shouldn’t take very much common sense to figure out what that’s a bad and dangerous thing for all concerned, though I’m seeing why you don’t seem to grasp that.

  • Ramanusia

    Wow. Apparently they are just pretending all the racist, misogynistic garbage being posted just isn’t there?

  • DTVM

    Very well said!

    In answer to vainglorious blowhards who claimed people should be willing to risk their lives in making public statements under their real names if they were serious about their beliefs — first on HP and then on EPOCH TIMES after I stopped posting on HP in protest — I told of the 2 serious threats I got in the mail for giving (in a letter to the letter of a newspaper which required real names as a condition of publication) my measured opinion of a radical political group and its malignant influence on our country.

    Several people who read my story on ET urged me to post it to you on
    jackholesrealm, as you were collecting accounts of why droves of us
    were leaving HP and thought my tale belonged there. I did so, and a
    little later submitted another post. Both appeared over my screen name of “No Man Is An Island.”
    I was told you would try to get the attention of the national press with
    all our stories, but I haven’t learned yet if you did. Regardless of that
    you have done, and are doing a public service. I’m sure you have
    taken far more heat and worse than I have, but as one living with the
    knowledge a would-be assassin knows where I live and wants to kill me for disagreeing with his political party, I don’t have to imagine what you
    face — I’ve been there.
    Someone got the screen name “No Man Is An Island” on Disqus before
    I could, but I’m still “No Man Is An Island” on other sites, and often sign
    myself as such in the body of a Disqus post, as I will here….
    No Man Is An Island

  • Intolerantcentrist

    Could be that they are afraid. They live in fear. Seems they fear a debate because the risk of losing a debate is too great. More importantly, they exhibit the irrational fear of the mysterious person in the debate. Which is what drives their personal need to end anonymity.

  • http://thehuffingtonposter.wordpress.com/ Forrest Grump

    You know, you’ve basically just described the behaviour of an internet forum troll. Get in, knock some heads around with a few choice inflammatory words in order to incite the crowd, don’t stand behind or debate a damn word that you say, then leave after you’ve done enough damage. Make sure you leave a parting shot against the group when you go. Call them “bums” or some veiled threat or something. Mix it all together, and there you have the classic recipe for “internet forum troll”.

    I challenged him to a debate on Epoch. I said show me how you stand by your words, I’ll show you how I stand by mine. His response was to run as fast his legs will take him, back to HP.

    So far, the score for the anti-anonymity true believers remains at ZERO. I mean that. In over 7 years of hearing this malarkey about “standing behind your words” because you decide to put your real name out there, I have not been able to get a *single* one of these people to debate me on the issue. That’s all anyone needs to know about these freaks if you ask me….

  • OnyxE

    Calling yourself a nerd is supposed to be cool, like wearing sock hats and big ugly glasses. It’s like you’re so cool you can act uncool. Verrry boring and transparent.

  • OnyxE

    The one comment on his last HP blog wasn’t too impressive.

  • Lindstr7

    Joe thinks his short quips and curt responses make him look Socratic but the truth is simply that his views don’t stand up to scrutiny. I think after a few days of exchanges here, he realizes this and is using the “incivility” and group IQ nonsense as an excuse to get out of any real debate.

    Many of my friends here knew of his blog on HP and recommended him as someone to watch. After watching him interact with people here, they can’t believe it’s the same Joe. Have you seen his blog page here? Eight days ago he accused me of being “out of line” for suggesting that he explore ET and follow the comment threads before dissing us as a group. I challenged him to address the concerns of people like ChrisDC (and many others) who could lose his job if his real name was attached retroactively to all of his comments.

    I also challenged him to explain how using real names will PROTECT people when it’s been proven (many times by Sharyn) how easy it is to find someone and stalk them via facebook when using a real name.

    His last parting comment here was that he didn’t “have to” engage in debate and that he was leaving ET. Cop out.

  • Tyroanee

    Ba!

  • Canukistani

    Yes, I gained the sense that he would only be comfortable ‘debating’ in his own HP environment where he can sit behind their moderation and rig the deck in whatever way suits him.

    As you and others have clearly demonstrated his arguments were made of the thinnest of tissue paper and fell apart at the first hint of an honest challenge. By his own words and behavior, he’s certainly has lost any right to be respected as an honorable supporter of anything.

    As for debating him, at one time I would have done so myself, with the understanding I previously mentioned regarding debates, but now I feel it would be an utter waste of time.

    You would get no truth from him and I think the gallery has also seen enough to understand him as well. At this point, I don’t think there’s any reason to have any further serious discussion with him on anything. Whatever he may say now, with all that’s gone on over this, has no importance.

  • http://thehuffingtonposter.wordpress.com/ Forrest Grump

    As I mentioned on Poynter, I tried to engage Joe in a debate on the issue of anonymity. First, I tried to get him to define what he meant by “he stands up for what he says”. To me, that’s such an inane thing to suggest that only people (allegedly) using their real names “stand up for what they say”, that I did not want him to say I was misinterpreting him later. But he refused to stand up for what he says, and tell me exactly what he means by that. Instead, he just kind of insulted me with some nonsense about how I don’t recognize someone from the “real world” (because only people from the “real world” use their real names, see. Everyone else is from the “fake world” and not a real person).

    Then I brought up an American historical fact to support anonymity, by mentioning that a number of the people who wrote the Constitution of the United States, the document the country was founded on, don’t have a problem with anonymity. In a very lame response, he countered with an exception to the rule; one “Gouverneur Morris” who did not follow in the footsteps of his colleagues. As if an exception changes my point. Then I countered that by pointing out that he had not provided proof that Gouverneur Morris withdrew from the group for the reasons he specified.

    Then I provided evidence that his Gouverneur Morris may actually have published elsewhere under a pseudonym. Joe Ferraro had no answer to that, except deflection, saying I had the wrong Morris (I did not). I was very curious to see where this would go, to see if he could carry on a debate with *facts*, and try to win it with *facts*. Next thing I knew he was telling me to ignore his responses. Then straight after that, he was telling me to stop responding to him!

    This is the sort of behavior you can expect when you are winning a debate with Joe Ferraro. That’s when I knew I was dealing with an intellectual coward, a lying hypocrite, a man who does *not* ‘stand behind what he says’, and just parrots the meaningless, empty new HP credo. No one at HP will defend those words either, note. Try to pin them down on that, they’ll delete your comment. Just like Joe would.

    Finally, just to confirm I wasn’t dreaming, I challenged Joe to a debate on Epoch. No response, what a surprise. Joe Ferraro is a dishonorable man who’s lost my respect. He won’t stand behind a word he says, and he certainly won’t admit he is wrong in anything, when he is proven wrong. In this, he’s no better than a YouTube troll.

  • Canukistani

    I appreciate getting your viewpoint on this and, no surprise, I find I’m in agreement. I’ve been trying make sense of this whole thing when it seems pretty senseless and what you’re saying is helpful.

    Oddly to me in retrospect, even though I didn’t follow him on HP, I was one of those who tried to tell people that he deserved a second chance after the initial bad impression he made on ET.
    I’m not sure why I did that, it just seemed right at the time.

    When I saw the discussion he was generating here I felt sorry for him too at first, until I saw how it was unfolding and the things he was saying. And the hypocrisy he was exposing.

    I agree with you about appreciating an honest debate too. That’s one of the ways we can learn. But I expect whoever is on the other side to bring facts to support their opinion. I like it even better when what they say shows that they’ve thought about the issue that’s under discussion and considered that there may be another side. Beating people over the heads with empty slogans and name calling should be no part of it, though.

    To me, a debate should be something of a contract where each side is willing to put their views on the table and weight them honestly against the other side. There should be respect and also, each side should be willing to be persuaded that they might possibly be wrong at least in some part of what they’re saying. We had none of that here, though.

    This wasn’t a debate, it was just a brawl based on pure opinion that could never be resolved in any rational way. I’m not even sure why it happened except that maybe he felt some need to browbeat the people who disagreed with him into submission based solely on his own need to be right.

    As a fellow I once knew used to say, if a belief rests upon nothing, you cannot knock away its foundations. I’ve seen examples of that a number of times over the years and so far it’s stood the test of time.

  • PlutocratsSuck

    Because you’re one of them, spammer. Do not click on that link.

  • HamletsMill

    Many have said “See ya…glad not to be ya!”

    http://tinyurl.com/kps8qy8

  • HamletsMill
  • David Sapper

    Honestly I enjoy the trolls sometimes. They make the comments much more interesting and say the snide comments we all think sometimes
    http://www.automartnv.com

  • Lindstr7

    Exactly right! Just like HP, without the USERS and the fans, they are nothing. Valueless in the eyes of advertisers.

  • Lindstr7

    Okay, I peeked. Lol the only comment is some woman, probably an HP blogger too. Or maybe selling a book. Or insurance. You can find her on facebook and she likes Joe! Gag.

  • Lindstr7

    He’s not going to get a click from me. Nope. NuUh. Ugh. I get nauseous just thinking about it.

  • Lindstr7

    Oh, I just saw your comment about debating Joe. If thAT were to happen, I’d like first row seats please! (never happen, you would give him a verbal flaying). Joe would not go up against you because he knows he would look foolish and be exposed for who he really is (real name and all). As just a blogger lost in the blogging pool and without fans, he doesn’t get clicks and fades back into oblivion. Too bad. Maybe he thinks he’s the pied piper and will lead us all skipping merrily back to HP land and back to ariann’s ample bosom. I don’t doubt he’ll be getting a sweater OR the next-level-bloggers pin this year at the annual bloggers buffet.

  • http://thehuffingtonposter.wordpress.com/ Forrest Grump

    Joe does have a blog on HP. His last article, Jan. 6, has exactly ONE comment on it. He received more here and on Poynter. Maybe that’s why he’s here, then? Rather than asking me not to follow him around, he should be begging me to follow him around. At least, that way he won’t look like the loneliest blogger in the universe.

    p.s. When I scroll down to read the comment, it says that only ONE of my HP friends read the article. Guess who that was? Yup. Joe The Nerd Ferraro. The guy who went out of his way to friend me on HP, and then told me to stop following him around on Poynter….

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-the-nerd-ferraro/the-hypertightcollars-and_b_4545174.html

  • http://thehuffingtonposter.wordpress.com/ Forrest Grump

    We never needed him, so I would have to say yes to that.

    The funny thing is, I had quite a bit of respect for Joe. That started back on HP, when I saw he was the only blogger willing to call his employer out on the TTP thread. Then I learned HP wasn’t exactly his “employer”. By that I mean, he’s just another sucker they are exploiting for free content.

    Then when I saw him here, I thought it was very brave of him to come to Epoch. And ok, he had some screwy ideas about anonymity. But more than most here, I thought he was entitled to them, and I rather enjoyed his ‘fresh point of view’. Because that meant I could debate this with somebody, and we could hash it out like it needs to be. I don’t just want to talk to people that have the same opinions I do; where’s the fun in that? I want to be challenged. So when I saw Joe being piled on, on Poynter by so many, my first reaction was that I felt bad for Joe.

    But if there’s one thing I can’t stand, it’s a hypocrite. And that’s what made me turn very recently on our man Joe. Because in Joe Ferraro, we have that in spades. Example…

    a) He whines about people “flinging poo”. But as you mentioned, Joe Ferraro is certainly not above condescension, and will happily fling poo himself whenever he feels justified. Implying people are bums, scumbags, have low IQ, are mindless “echo chamber” parroters, are pitch-fork wielding village mob folk. Something tells me Joe does not have very many friends or get out very much.

    b) He’ll follow Epoch members all the way from AOL’s news boards to Epoch… but then complain about them going from Epoch to Poynter. Which is a shorter ways, by me!

    c) He’ll condescend against people who try to protect themselves through anonymity, by saying they don’t “stand behind what they say”. But you try to get him to stand up for what he says? It’s like “nailing jello to the wall” as Sharyn might say.

  • Lindstr7

    The few I know have renounced him for good! I suppose there are still those who hold out hope for their friend and that is the sign of a true friend, loyalty, is it not? Kudos to them, but sorry to say, their friend has been a real bore.

  • Lindstr7

    Hey, thanks for the laugh. I always enjoy your comments. I really do hate giving Joe any more airtime on this thing….or anything for that matter. I don’t give a flying fig what he thinks now that I have exchanged comments and emails with him. His character shows through and his arrogance is alarmingly misguided. His blog is not interesting and he knows how we all feel so I wonder, wtf is he even doing here if not just instigating and rousing the crowds for fun. (I refuse to give him anymore fun or attention after this).

    He says he thinks every thread needs a dissenting voice or else its an echo chamber? Talk about unclear on the concept. He thinks THAT’s good healthy dialogue lol. Oh, until we disagree with him. Then we’re a bunch of uncivilized mob on Lord of the Flies Island. His whole schtick about “group IQ is equivalent to blah blah blah is something he seems to get joy out of fabricating so he can use that quote. How lame. Hey, if this guy got a blog on HP you KNOW they’re farm factory bloggers lol. Type faster! Faster!

  • Canukistani

    I would suggest that the fan base has also dwindled somewhat in the last 5 weeks or so.

  • http://thehuffingtonposter.wordpress.com/ Forrest Grump

    Don’t worry, Joe’s fan base are all on here, defending their Nerd hero against all comers. They’re doing a terrific job, too. Slicing and dicing everyone’s criticisms of him, like we were in a Japanese steak house. The problem is, you can’t see any of them because you are a faceless mobster, and do not live in the “real world” that Joe lives in.

    (Sorry. I really tried to say that without laughing, but I couldn’t).

  • http://thehuffingtonposter.wordpress.com/ Forrest Grump

    He won’t, because he can’t. He can’t, because like most things Joe says around here, it is indefensible. First, let’s assume Joe had a brain hiccup and actually meant to say:

    “if you cannot acknowledge someone FROM the real world has responded to you….”

    How do you even begin to defend that? It’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. What is Joe even implying with this little brain hiccup of his? That anyone who does not use a “real sounding name” on their Disqus account is from a ‘different world’ than someone who does??

    It sounds to me like this Joe Ferraro has either eaten some bad mushrooms someone gave him, or truly has a serious case of paranoid personality disorder. He seems to think that people who respond to him either do or don’t exist, based on the name he sees. That is not someone I’d want to share fried onions and cheese steak with, let me say.

  • http://thehuffingtonposter.wordpress.com/ Forrest Grump

    Joe “The Nerd” thought he had a brilliant comeback for me in this thread, when I pointed out one example of our forefathers using pseudonyms to sound off in the historical Federalist Papers. He used an example of exception; that of Gouverneur Morris refusing to take part in the Papers. This was supposed to win his side of the argument, as though the Morris example equalled numerous founding members of the Constitution of the United States.

    There may be many reasons why Morris did not take part. So when I asked Joe to prove Morris refused to take part on the grounds of anonymity…. Joe dashed along and left his words hanging by a cliff. Not very nerd-like, is it?

    Then when I pointed out that some people at the time believed Gouverneur Morris -did- use a pseudonym (e.g. ‘The American’), with quotes from my source of that information (which is more than what Joe ever provided), Joe deflected and pretended I had the wrong Morris guy. That’s only because Joe was not able to read two separate paragraphs, differentiate between the two, and realize I was talking about two guys that had nothing to do with each other, but each with the last name “Morris”.

    Then when I pointed out that Joe had not properly read my comment, that I was indeed talking about Governeur Morris…. Joe scampered away and left his words tied to the train tracks, with a steam engine barreling down on them.

    This is what intellectual cowards always do in debates, when you prove them wrong about something. I’m afraid Joe “The Nerd” Ferraro does not seem to be much of a fan of facts.

  • Lindstr7

    Loved your act with Mike Nichols……

  • http://thehuffingtonposter.wordpress.com/ Forrest Grump

    Not only that, but…

    a) Joe said that in a thread in which I was on before he was. So his accusation was, in fact, a bold-faced lie. It would be more accurate for me to say that he followed me here!
    b) Joe was the one who responded to me; quite willingly. No gun was ever put to Joe’s head, demanding he debate Forrest.
    c) Joe said that in the middle of a debate he was having with me on the subject of anonymity. Which, by the way, he was losing.

    So I have come to learn that “please stop following me!” is actually nerd-speak for “Please stop trying to make me accountable for the stupid things I say and can’t defend. When I said ‘I stand behind what I say because entered a real-sounding name in my Disqus account’…. I didn’t really mean for anyone to take that literally!”.

    I think what our “Joe The Nut Ferraro” has been doing of recent is burning the bridges he started building around here. And I must say, that did not take long.

  • Canukistani

    I find it interesting, in a morbid sort of way, that he seeks us out here and at The Epoch Times, to rain his meaningless, and insupportable invective upon us, calling us scum bags and bums (all the while demanding civility), while we,as far as I know, make no effort at all to find him on HP. Perhaps he needs us more that we need him.

  • Tyroanee

    WORST MOVE EVER! I’m not a troll and have commented for years and years, but you want my FB info so some whack job could find me over a comment he didn’t care for… ummm NO Thanks Huff, see ya!

  • ElaineMay

    Thanks for letting me know.
    Bye bye Huff Post.
    I must maintain my anonymity for employment purposes.

  • http://thehuffingtonposter.wordpress.com/ Forrest Grump

    Thank you for putting it so succinctly. For that is exactly the conclusions I had already come to, about Joe Ferraro. He has a reputation for getting “the authorities” to wipe away dissenting comments against him or his articles, or as he did on HP, he’ll do the job himself. He’s building an even stronger reputation for what are known as “drive-by’s”.

    This is where, instead of responding to an opposing comment, you ignore it and respond with an unrelated comment. It is the online equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and going “LA-LA-LA-LA-LA! I CAN’T HEAR YOU, SO YOU DON’T EXIST!”. Joe’s last “drive-by comment” on Epoch Times was to indirectly threaten everyone who disagreed with him. Of course, when he’s not out threatening people who disagree with him, Drama Queen Joe is accusing them of gang raping him with a pitchfork.

    I am finding that people that feel the need to put their real names to their comments are among the most insecure people you come across on the net. If not the outright dumbest (let’s be honest: its a very stupid thing to do, these days. I personally know people who’ve gotten burned by it; even though they never said a cross word in their lives).

    It appears that “Joe Ferraro” (which it turns out, may not be his real name), is just parroting the new HP byline. The one where they claim they are slapping your real name on your comments, whether you like it or not, because then it means you will “stand by what you say”. I asked Joe here what he meant by that, and he refused to answer. So I don’t think he even knows what it means; he just picked it up from Arianna. Perhaps he’s refusing to defend any of his arguments… because they’re not even his to begin with.

  • apogee2perogee

    Very easily done. DONE

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  • apogee2perogee

    “….for the real world…”

    I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. You probably meant ‘from’ the real world. But of course, we are ALL living in the real world. What isn’t real world is your self styled “the nerd” appellation. You can’t be a nerd in the real world. Nerds are so attached to facts and reasoning that they are often socially inept. Now, I’ll admit you exhibit social struggles. But you haven’t brought anything to your comments except your opinion, bumper sticker assertions, attitude and name calling. What is real are reasoned arguments, the facts, and treating others with grace. None of those things are a function of one’s legal name.

  • apogee2perogee

    I suspect he is simply hoping to ingratiate himself with HP. Or he is drunk. Or both.

  • OnyxE

    It doesn’t have to be targeted against any religion; in fact it would target every religion or belief that did not bow down to its power or take the chip. It’s ultimately about control and this is how one government body will be able to control the entire world.

  • Richard M

    That is true. I don’t see Corporo-Fascism as being specifically targeted at any one religion though. In China the targeted minority faiths are mostly non-Christian

  • Richard M

    Exactly. There will never be an ending to this stomping of the boot of Fascism, in our faces…..Not until we not only say no, but Hell No!

  • OnyxE

    That’s a biblical prediction, the mark of the beast, and nobody will be able to ‘buy or sell’ or do any business at all without it. It will be tied to a one world government.

  • Lindstr7

    Hell, if you’ve got nothing to hide why NOT have the chip implanted (sarcasm). I fear it is the future if we don’t start pushing back.

  • Lindstr7

    Joe has said they’re not paying him which makes it all the more puzzling why he’s sticking to his mantra of “accountability.” I doubt he’d even be here commenting if he hadn’t lost a slew of fans. Have you noticed that he never actually responds to arguments from our side? For example, ChrisDC below made a perfectly legitimate argument for using pseudonyms when commenting online. It could affect his work. He could get fired. All comments he’s made in the past would have is actual name attached to them if he went along with HPs policy. No response from joe. Forrest Grump made the oft repeated argument that Arianna using the rape story as rational is patently absurd considering this action makes it EASIER to stalk and find some (and proven many times by Sharyn.) No response to Forrest except, “stop following me.” What a hack.

  • Richard M

    Here’s an idea for those who favor restricting online posting to only those who use their own verified identities.

    Why not expand your policies beyond the cyberverse? Why not require every person to wear a pendant containing an identifier chip whenever any person leaves their house? Scanning devices at malls, airports, in taxis, at theaters, etc. Would immediately notify proprieters or authorities of the name, bank balance, criminal history, medical history, political views and commenting history of everyone who enters any establishment.

    Obviously the penalties for failing to carry an ID chip, or for having a counterfeit chip would need to be severe. There could be provisions made for those who had religious objections to the requirement, as well. Such persons would need to cover their mouth with a scarlet germ mask. If they spoke to anyone other than a fellow red mask for any reason they would be subject to enforcement of the full penalty of law. If the view of the mask was obstructed in any way, they would be arrested. But as long as they did not speak, they could remain exempt. Speaking to them, by any non-red mask would also be a felony. Obviously, red masks would be forbidden to enter any establishment or facility, unless it was specifically designated as a red mask facility. And any non-red mask would be arrested for entering a red mask store as well.

  • OnyxE

    I doubt Arianna is paying him…she probably promised to buy him a sweater at Christmas. Her sweater buying for her faithful warthogs made the news this year.

  • tracey marie

    free speech does not pertain to a website moderating their business and their policies

  • tracey marie

    so now responding to your ignorant comments on an open debate thread is “following” lmao…your ego is large, ignorant but large

  • tracey marie

    that was a deflection, and a petulant one at that. Care to try again and pretend you are an adult and actually answer Forrest’s question?

  • tracey marie

    I always dissed him on HP. Thought he was just willfully ignorant with a huge ego

  • tracey marie

    what happens if you just go back to hp and whine there. We however do find your kind absolutely hilarious in your willfull ignorance

  • Lindstr7

    Joe does not seem to thrive in a dialogue exchange environment. Unless he has a fan base cooing and in awe of his writing abilities (mediocre at best imo), he’s lost. His responses to comments or inquiries are usually extremely short and curt. True sign of a weak writer imo. FGrump would make a much better blogger, eloquent, funny, insightful, incisive and his comments actually make you think.

  • Lindstr7

    I’m beginning to think you’re right. Joe seems to be making a habit of waiting until no one else is in the room, very late at night, going way down the thread and making pot shots. He did it to me and he’s done it to others. He seems unclear on the concept of retaining a fan base, but he’s doing a stellar job of alienating them.

  • OnyxE

    Exactly…..by the time he did one blog for ET he’d already insulted us so that is not the way you attract fans. And he has that annoying bio about IQ…if its a small group they are intelligent. He must have stole that from Timmy the realtor trying to explain failure.

  • Lindstr7

    Honestly, OnyxE, I think Joe is just trying to stir the pot hoping to get more “eyes” on his blog. Fat chance of that happening now that he’s managed to offend any remaining “fans” he lost to ET.

  • OnyxE

    joe the nerd ferraro “pease stop following me.” This from the person who followed us to ET and trashed us a couple of times and then followed us here and can’t leave us alone. The guy is cuckoo and one good reason nobody wants to use real names on the internet.

  • Lindstr7

    Joe seems to not understand the concept of a dialogue exchange. He’s happiest when he gets to do all the talking and seems genuinely shocked that we’re not all nodding in agreement. Kind of sad really if it weren’t so dang annoying.

  • OnyxE

    I already showed you what Disqus thinks. Why should we worry about something you have dredged up from your imagination? Maybe you should make an appt with your shrink. And quit stalking us.

    “61 Percent Of Disqus Comments Are Made With Pseudonyms”

    “New data from Disqus, the commenting platform, suggests that pseudonyms both encourage more and better comments.

    According to the data, 61 percent of all Disqus comments are made via
    pseudonyms, versus 35 percent anonymous and 4 percent using real names (i.e.
    Facebook). People with pseudonyms also comment 6.5 times more than those
    who comment anonymously and 4.7 times more than commenters who use real
    names.

    Okay, but what about the trolls? Disqus maintains that only does allowing pseudonyms produce more comments, but the quality of the comments is also better, as measured by likes and replies.

    People who use pseudonyms post better comments on Disqus. Their comments are liked more and generate more discussion.”

    …..this article was posted on Tech Crunch…who got rid of anonymous comments
    and later begged their commenters to return, I believe TC is also owned
    by AOL?.

    http://techcrunch.com/2012/01/

  • Lindstr7

    You mean the way you were following me and replying to a comment I made to someone else WAY down the thread in the middle of the night when no one else was in the room? You’ve turned into quite the PR guy for HP. You sound like a paid shill. Is HP paying you now or are you just slumming around looking for your lost fan base. Does it tell you nothing that the fans who left HP did so because they disagree with your views about pseudonyms? Maybe you need some guidance on how to retain a fan base (hint, you don’t tell them they’re all jerks for leaving the site that screwed them over).

  • http://thehuffingtonposter.wordpress.com/ Forrest Grump

    Joe is afraid of being made to defend his position. Which is those who supposedly use their real names on their accounts “stand by what they say”. So far, I have had to literally chase Joe “The Nerd” Ferraro across town, waving papers with his own words on them, trying to get him to stand by what he says. And since I have begun to call him on that, and debunk his flawed argument, what we are seeing now, is Brave Joe Ferraro begging me to stop making him accountable for what he says.

    So much for the courage of the “real namers”. I always knew they were full of it, when it came time to stand behind what they say, and this is a clear example of that.

  • gmb007

    Disingenuous deflection.

    This is an OPEN forum.

    YOU posted a comment and people are responding to it. Duh.

    What are you afraid of, Joe? LOL

  • http://thehuffingtonposter.wordpress.com/ Forrest Grump

    What? What do you mean “following you”? I was posting here before you did! I think you need a recap, sir. You responded to me, I responded back, we were having a debate about anonymity. Which you are unable to keep up with. You said you “stand up for what you say because you say it under a real name”. From all I’ve seen, you seem to be running away from what you say and refusing to defend your own words. What am I supposed to do with them, adopt them?

    A number of people hold the same position you do, that you can’t “stand by what you say’ unless you attach your real name to it. The only problem is, I have yet to see a single person saying that, willing and able to defend their position. That’s quite telling.

  • jackholesrealm

    Hey Joe

    

 it was a view weeks back when HP decided to implode, in what can only be the product of fear – remember AOLanna herself
    claims that it was the insane death and rape threats on Caroline Criado Perez that prompted her to end anonymity on
    HP, that I waited for HP “bloggers” to join us, I am not surprised it was you (who I personally hold in high regard) who is the first; I am just saddened that you stand on the opposite side of the argument. I guess that we will agree to disagree on this one.

    If I had to choose an argument against anonymity it would be
    yours but here is how I see things:

    Cyber bullies/terrorists are nothing but cowards they rely on the anonymity we demand in order to launch the attacks. Early on when I was in good graces with Huffington Post staff, I urged them to sue the worst of the rampant trolls. I’m not talking about the guys who displayed their ignorance on the threads day after day, I am talking about individuals like beej and a few others accused of hacking their
    system.

    This would have been an effective measure early on that would have deterred trolls from evolving into the monsters we now have. Even my argument falls apart if we consider the many ways that they can game the system. I am not about to provide a tutorial for them here but if anybody wants I can email it to them, it is nothing new and most people probably do know this already.

    Given that it is so easy to remain anonymous by setting fake accounts using burner phones and other tricks I see no reason to give up our anonymity because it will put us at risk and allow those individuals to remain free.

    Taking it out on all users is no way to approach the troll issue. Of course all we are talking about here is contingent on HP or any other online news publication acting in good faith, but no one is fooled by HP this s not about protecting the community, hell is not even about monetizing via Facebook, it is about HP influencing the way discourse and free inquiry is done online.

    I can’t stress enough that this is not only affecting the community members but the” official HP bloggers” as well. I urge you and all the other HP bloggers to join the discussion because it will get worse if everyone stands idly by.

    The litigation that you talk about exist and can certainly use
    some fine tuning to make it easier for us to sue those who are attacking us. I support such an effort what I don’t support is it coming at the expense of everyone else’s anonymity.

    Personally I have learned that those trying to harm my reputation,
    such as it is, have done more to prove I am right than anything else. I had death threats, people have launched faults charges against my site, I have been stalked and I am continually being maligned. I can wait until they make a mistake (which has happened already) and sue their pants off. But I really think that no one is listening to maniacs online except other maniacs.

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    please stop following me.

  • http://thehuffingtonposter.wordpress.com/ Forrest Grump

    “Someone for the real world has responded to me”??

    That makes even less sense, than you claiming that “someone who attaches an allegedly real name to their comments means they ‘stand by what they say’”. Could you try that again in English, please?

    So far Joe, in our little debates, I’ve proven you wrong several times over. And even though I keep asking you to do so, you have repeatedly not stood by what you said and supported your words. As far as I can tell, you are just spouting empty rhetoric with this “stand by what you say” catchphrase.

    Evidently, you do not have the courage of your convictions.

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    if you cannot acknowledge someone for the real world has responded to you, please feel free to bypass and ignore my comments.

  • sarchasm1

    So Bruce, just tell us how you voted in the last four presidential elections and then we’ll agree with you.

  • Intolerantcentrist

    Throughout our daily lives, all of us pass by the anonymous faces of ordinary people who share our communities. To an overwhelming degree, we interact peaceable in our anonymous real world. To each other, we are mostly unidentified and ordinary. Not one of us displays our real given name phone number, or active email address (or even Facebook credentials) for the entire world to see. With almost total indifference to the fact we don’t see the real identities of people in our communities; we can still conduct our lives without
    fear of our community. Why? Because in the real world we highly value the security our privacy provides us. We have struck a balance between our desire for safety in public and personal security. And, without question we would bristle at the notion of being required to provide our identities for public consumption, even in the name of public safety.

    So, why is it that some consider safety of the cyber realm so much differently than the real world? Why is it that some believe it necessary for individuals to forgo personal security online so that a perception of online safety may be satisfied? Why it that the insecurities of some must be satisfied at the expense of individuals whose only transgression is they wish to remain anonymous? And just because some freely choose to publically express their identities online, why must their acts then compel all others to follow suit?
    Our real world paradigm is inclusive of the cyber world. Accordingly, the balance between our desire for internet safety and personal security on the internet also reflects the same balance we enjoy in our real world. Therefore the desire to retain personal anonymity in public, on the internet, is not overcome by those beliefs that may be opposed to it.

  • PlutocratsSuck

    Navigating the depths of suckitude. How low can they go? Pretty low, I think.

  • PlutocratsSuck

    Are you asking what if stupidity is contagious? Digital seppuku would be a most unwise business decision.

  • Intolerantcentrist

    What if they don’t…?
    Would you still believe that you are owed some form of justice be administered to some because they do not agree with your opinion?

  • http://thehuffingtonposter.wordpress.com/ Forrest Grump

    So people will decided not to post on Disqus and it will go the way of TechCrunch, SanDiego Press and Huffington Post…. which is crickets and tumbleweeds. And btw, its Disqus that made the study showing that people who use pseudonyms post the highest quality comments. I tend to agree. So no, don’t worry, Disqus won’t be checking your ID at the door. You can still be “Joe The Nerd Ferraro” if you wish.

    Now, I’ve got a question for you, Mr. Nerd: What do you mean by “you stand by what you say” because you attach an allegedly real name to your comments? You can’t mean you support what you say, because I haven’t seen you do that. So what does that phrase mean to you exactly?

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    what happens if the people running the Disqus commenting engine decide that it will require an outside id?

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    then the issue is one of passing and enforcement of online harrassment laws.

  • Intolerantcentrist

    Too funny.
    I suppose that when you excel at sucking, by default, one has to redefine success.

  • HarukoHaruhara

    There is a trace-back … through IP addresses and ISP accounts tied to those addresses.

  • Aquarius 1027

    So true, my eloquent friend! – I also think that there were simply more opportunities previously on HP to engage in discussion. Now the limitations become somewhat of an obstacle. – Yet I agree, the ragtag band of warriors will continue to fight against the tyrannical forces of corporative corruption.

    I especially enjoyed the second clip of music you sent me. I did not know this artist but then I am time warped as a lover of oldies! Yet I have an appreciation for all styles of music, even classical as I once played the violin. – At times, the lyrics of a song may be more significant than even the great music. “. . then peace will guide the planets and love will steer the stars . .” – Wishing you peace for the new year and for all of your journeys. :)

  • http://thehuffingtonposter.wordpress.com/ Forrest Grump

    Nope. The first quote references Gouverneur Morris, whom it was thought by some to have written under pseudonyms. To that end, I’d like to see you stand up for what you say, which you are fond of saying, by actually quoting something from Gouverneur Morris that shows his refusal to write under a nym is his reason for rejecting participation with the Federalist Papers.

    The second quote references Richard B. Morris, a historian speaking about The Federalist Papers. Despite posting under what you allege is a real name, I see that you did not stand up for what you said, when I gave you the opportunity to. I’ll give you another chance to prove your point about how only “real identifiers” stand up for what they say:

    Since you don’t agree with Morris’ view that people who write under pseudonyms have anything worth saying or hearing from, what you know about the Federalist Papers that historian Richard Morris doesn’t?

  • outpost

    Maybe they are an arm of the NSA?

  • outpost

    Now Huff Post is a part of the group that wants to ban Free speech because of a few, when they could just block the few. No one should be forced to be on Facebook to have Free speech since the 1st Amendment protects Free speech of all Americans. Seems as if Zuckerberg is now a Dictator.

  • joe the nerd ferraro
  • joe the nerd ferraro

    Jack – I have the utmost respect for you.

    We are just going to have to disagree here.

    I may write on my experience on why anonymity is incredibly dangerous.

    Someone somewhere needs to know who is writing. It does not have to be a public admission for all to see – but there does need to be some form of trace-back.

    But when libel and slander are committed, where do you go to get your reputation back. We have a court system to hold people accountable.

    If you can hold no one accountable for actions – I do not see how that is good.

    Those who harass need to be held accountable – if only to account for their intimidation of other innocents.

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    I REALLY like this guy.
    Makes me proud to have the same name.

  • http://thehuffingtonposter.wordpress.com/ Forrest Grump

    ” UPDATE, Jan. 13: HuffPost’s McDonald sent me this statement via email:
    We are very happy with the results so far. ”

    Well the results so far, are that Huffington Post is in 15th place in the Quantcast rankings, way behind YELP of all things, and it was around 9th before the policy change. You see? This is what I was talking about, when I said Huffington Post actually WANTS their site to fail, in my article “How To Tank A News Blog In 30 Days Or Less”:

    http://thehuffingtonposter.wordpress.com/2014/01/04/how-to-tank-a-news-blog-in-30-days-or-less/

  • HamletsMill

    Indeed. I loved that guy! He was just great on HP all those years. May he Rest in Peace.

  • gmb007

    Wow, Jack, you nailed it! BRAVO!!! :)

  • MagnaDave

    If I rejoin, you are one of the few who I will tell my new name to. I will let you know on here or at ET. The sad thing is, my favorite pastime was relpying to other people’s comments and reading replies to mine. With the Carousels of Convolution, I’ve noticed that relatively few people are taking the time to click enough to read all the replies. It seems if a reply doesn’t appear in the main thread or upon the first click, it is just about ignored.

    So much for making the format change to reduce clicking and make conversations easier to have. It failed epically at both.

    Always nice to see you, btw!

  • PlutocratsSuck

    I agree with your assessment, it was obviously a business decision and the ambiguous meme of civil discourse was the pretext. However, regardless of their true motivations it shows that they place absolutely no value on the comment community, I don’t care how they try to spin it, the way in which they effectively banished all of us who would not capitulate in one swift stroke demonstrates, quite clearly, that they have absolutely no qualms about alienating their own users, even flat out lying to them.

    If anything they probably see them as a burden now. Mr. McDonald and his merry band of buzzword-babbling MBA’s are completely oblivious as to what actually built the Huffington post, and it wasn’t talking-head videos and linking articles written by other news sources. But it would hardly be the first thing such myopic people have destroyed for short term gain, it seems to be the way they are wired.

  • HamletsMill

    Yes. Your are absolutely right! Uncertainty and a sinking feeling was somehow in the mix in 2012, but those pageable lightning fast threads were still very much in play for the election. You experienced it! We all could still communicate at the speed of light on their incredible cutting edge platform. People had gotten over all the badge system hyper conditioning fears of them making us all into little “B.F. Skinner” and “Pavlov” members of “AOL Jugend” with little UPS uniforms!

    We finally all got back to just getting on with it in hyper rant mode! We all loved it! And information was continuing to be shared nightly in everyone’s total glorious addiction to pure mind-to-mind intimate hyper communication!

    But fears soon again began to appear again. I can clearly see it now after a month of detox since December 10th. For me it was the slow subconscious descent into tablolidization. It wore away at the finer sensibilities of the mind. Yes. I admit to clicking every now and then on sideboob and movie star cleavage. I’m a guy and there is 3 million years of evolution in that temptation. Am I going to see something I have never seen before. Of course not! But mystery is a powerful seduction! But even fin my worst tendencies it ultimately became totally absurd.

    Before the STILL very real in 2014 imminent collapse of the entire World economic system and the unspoken proliferation of nuclear weapons through the Pakistani bomb NEVER mentioned by the blacked out MSM, wasting time on such matters was not useful. Of course, this gave me inspiration for Hitler’s sub-title monologue in my video so it was not exactly worthless when it came to artistic “one liner” expression to send up everybody and everything involved in the whole incredible disaster.!

    So now we are all out here together! Everyone looking good up on the Tire Wall in our post-apocalyptic get ups! All the women here looking good in those White Shoulder Pad things!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmf-HCCZYOg

    Best to you Aquarius 127

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I52eefwAKDE

  • ChrisDC

    Maybe “wily” would be a better word in this case. As in “coyote.”

  • HamletsMill

    I don’t disagree at all with your definition of a “Tarot Card”. But I do have a “Superset” (a Java programming term of ) of them called “Cosmic Tarot Cards”. These cards are in the Hyper C.G. Jung Cosmic Archetype Tarot Deck. But they read far more than individuals. They read entire Human Systems and entire Civilizations. Multiple levels all well known to people in the movie business as part of the craft.

    Your “Inner Rorschach Test” is your fate as you move through the Indra’s Net of human consciousness. Very Hindu. Very Layla Board. Very British Snakes and Ladders. I say people should always at least TRY to know what is very likely behind Door Number 1, Door Number 2, AND Door Number 3 at any given point in their life.

    A sub meme on this Cosmic viewpoint is my philosophy that everyone should know exactly what movie they are in at any given point in their life.

    Right now Arianna is in a very badly written remake of “The Deer Hunter”. Right now she is at this point without a clue. Please excuse the dialogue here. You have to understand that the film is a DREAM as Michael Cimino said in 1978. The terminology has a meaning in the DREAM regarding the Great Steel Mill at the beginning and the history of Clairton, PA. It is a DREAM in Cosmic Time.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlmanKoPLyo

    A Great Cosmic Marker Card came to Arianna. She did not understand it. It has now come to BOTH the Epic Times and Poynter. I wonder if they will understand it? This knowledge comes from my conversation with Bill Fernandez in San Francisco back in 1986. He was the person in human history that INTRODUCED Steve Jobs to Steve Wozniak. His account of the profound psychic experience of it to me in that intimate conversation was very telling of what is in play at the Cosmic level regarding MOSFET technology. His private account was much more detailed to me but is supported in his public account in three long pages in the famous 1984 book “Fire in the Valley” which is most probably now out of print thirty years later.

    I don’t think they cover the “Cosmic Tarot Deck of All Things” at MBA school so these boys have done Arianna no favor. She started out reading Annie Besant and Helena Blavatsky like everybody else including Hitler and everyone in the Thule Society. I guess this John Roger guy too. But they all were all just not thinking Big Enough.

    So it will be very interesting to see how the Epic Times and Poytner and even the Jackholesrealm Blog handle this. Because a Very Big Cosmic Marker Card has suddenly come to these folks. Carolyn Myss on LSD could not have dreamed up this turn of events any better than how it has all now actually unfolded!

    Pass the popcorn and stay tuned for the show as this all plays out! The stakes are Very, Very, Very Great far more than any of the players yet realize!

    Oh, BTW, my friend’s observation was that Arianna has a very great emotional need to be understood by a male. Back in the 70′s she may have even been more anxious because her English was not as advanced as the genius of her mind even though she had been in England for seven years or so and was famously at Oxford..

    My beautiful and lovely Dutch woman who spoke eight languages (we could have been con artists in the Rolodex of Metrolpol across many European countries if we had not been very moral people as she could be a brilliant actress at the drop of a hat!) passed to the next World in September 2000 from a rare genetic illness.

    When I was on HP in 2007 and 2008 I must admidt that I used to fancy Arianna and fantisize about her reading my esoteric Cosmic Philosophy posts (all now ironically deep sixed thanks to her minions!) and e-mailing me: “Mah Dahling Hamkins I haave beeen vreading youu and I vant youu to comme to Neeew Yorrrk vat maee expennsse and speek wittth mee. I aam zending youu teekets to flyy to mee.”

    I liked the idea. Having the help change satin bedsheets would indeed be a step up in life for me! Maybe I wanted to be that male that would finally understand her from her point of view and she would feel that all encompassing mind meld connection with me?

    But, alas, her misinterpretation of guys understanding her came in the from of MBA’s from AOL and she has gone astray again.

    And none of my posts can now ever reach her eyes since her minions have banned me from HP forever for making the forbidden Hitler-AOL video.

    http://tinyurl.com/kps8qy8

    But the profound Cosmic Marker Card has now passed her and is now very much in play with others…

  • OnyxE

    I believe intelligent people can be stupid too. And how intelligent is someone who gets involved with a known cult? Obviously there are cracks or weaknesses in the intelligence.

  • OnyxE

    I don’t think it was a wise business decision since the commenters built the site and AOL hasn’t turned a profit with HP since they bought it. They took it and broke it. Many people including myself went to read comments and not the articles so much. Their headlines could be very misleading and if it was an important story I always went to another site to get more information because HP simply doesn’t have great writers and reporters or journalists. The comments easily could have been managed with another system where commenters flag comments and 3 flags the comment goes to hidden.

    The other thing is there is NO moderation on HP’s facebook page; it’s everything goes there which is kind of funny to see. I tried to post some of the FB comments on ET so people could see what goes on HPs facebook page and the comments never made it by the mods at ET.

  • Sharyn

    Exactly! Well said. Not to mention the creepy people who can google a user name and find your Facebook profile in two minutes. A few of us tried it out on commenters there and it was pretty eye opening. Some people using their real names or even close to their real names don’t seem to know that you can just google that and find every social network they are in and even white pages listings. That’s scary.

  • http://thehuffingtonposter.wordpress.com/ Forrest Grump

    Joe… when are you going to learn? When It’s too late?

    “They put a hit on me. They tried to whack me two, three times and God blessed me. I’m still here. They try to send me a message. People are upset with me,” Mr. Ferraro, 49, told the National Post as he was forced by Canada’s border agents onto a plane to South America. “All because I stand up for myself. Is that wrong?”

    In the underworld, Mr. Ferraro learned, it is.”

    - “How Joe Ferraro made it out of Canada’s gangland alive”: http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/07/22/how-joe-ferraro-made-it-out-of-canadas-gangland-alive/

  • HarukoHaruhara

    I strongly suspect (but do not know) that Huffington Post made a
    business decision balancing a loss of site traffic against the
    escalating cost of managing the comments on the site.

    I have wondered the same exact thing.

  • Aquarius 1027

    Thank you, Hamlet – for recognizing that part of what you so aptly described was still there during my time. That summer of 2012 was incredible and there was much to discuss with the presidential election! – And yes, I was a part of that speed of light, especially during the presidential debates. – Your video was an absolute delight, saw it on another thread and could not stop laughing! And thank you for the wasteland clip, a great comparison to the migrators. – It is good to be with you as well! :)

  • blacklace382

    Hi Dave! I only wish I had thought about using Black Lace as my name when I signed up for FB. So many HPer’s had the forethought to use their HP names when signing up. FB does not make you use your real name on your Welcome screen. I have been fortunate to have most of my comments published of late too. I will definitely stay there, especially with the elections coming up this year. Enjoy the rest of your day! BTW not sure if FB is making any profit. My acct sits idle there. Not sure how that works.

  • ChrisDC

    Having worked for a multi-national at one point, I’m pretty sure that while she’s answerable to AOL, the decisions are still hers. (If that’s wrong, it wouldn’t alter my impression of HuffPo at this point. I’m done with them.)

    Here’s the thing about the Tarot.

    Just like horoscopes in the newspapers, it’s basically an inkblot test. What you see in any reading you get says far more about you than it does about the cards, which are basically a collection of European cultural memes. It’s not that they’re saying anything, it’s that you’re seeing something. Which may, or may not, be real.

    And, just like a Rorschach test, it isn’t sending you a message. You’re using it to find one that you want to find.

    (Sorry — I did an undergraduate psychology research project on the Tarot. That was my conclusion, and I’m sticking to it.)

    :-)

  • HamletsMill

    Absolutely spot on analysis! No. I certainly don’t believe she is dumb at all either! But I think she is just a figure head now after the AOL buy out and none of this is in her focus. I think she needs to meet some new people outside of her current well crafted bubble.

    Strangely a business partner I had in 2006 in a joint endeavor met Arianna in London in the 70′s at some of the meetings that were a pre-curser to the later “John Roger” thing. My friend was researching New Age movements for herself at the time (who wasn’t !!!) She had some interesting observations about the young Arianna in the 70′s when she met her. We we just casually discussed them by pure chance when I discovered the existence of “The Huffington Post” in 2006 never thinking any more about it. Interesting coincidence in light of what has just happened with me getting banned from HP for making the now forbidden Hitler-AOL video!

    Back then my friend became a phenomenally successful fashion designer in London with a seven page spread in “Italian Vogue” at the height of her production Empire. She later left all of it behind in her spiritual quest and that is how I met her in 2004.

    She would also say that Arianna is most definitely not dumb at all! A very formidable intellect indeed! Quite strikingly so! But she did notice some blind spots in her. Surprisingly, a once spiritual mote in her eye in the 1970′s may have now become a plank in 2013 from my friend’s observation back then as I connect the dots now in everything that has just happened. Arianna just may not be thinking Big Enough in her life in her search for a much more profound Cosmic viewpoint!

    Hence, some kind of truly profound Cosmic Tarot Deck Marker Card in the Ages has come to Arianna and she does not know how to read it. Hence, the current debacle. It is all a quite strange turn of events.

  • ChrisDC

    Good to meet you, too! I’ll add two more situations that I had not considered until it was pointed out to me. One of the folks who left (and I suspect she’s not alone) is a psychiatrist. She didn’t want her patients to be able to browse through her political commentary.

    Another is a man who had been raped once, and he shared that story with a teenager to whom the same thing had just happened. The way he put it was that he wouldn’t mind disclosing that in any circumstance where it could help somebody else, but he didn’t want all of his neighbors to necessarily know about it.

    The thing is, I’ve actually met Arianna Huffington on a number of occasions. We weren’t friends before this, and certainly aren’t now, but I was a senior staffer to a Member of the California Congressional Delegation when she was married to a Congressman from California.

    She’s about as far from stupid as it’s possible to get. So, I can’t imagine that she hadn’t thought through the consequences of what she did.

    What corked me off was her rationale. She said she was horrified by trolls making rape and death threats.

    And I thought, “So your solution is to make their intended victims disclose THEIR names? No, sweetheart. I ain’t buying it. I know you’re not that dumb.”

    Although the Congressman she married did turn out to be gay.

    So, you know, there’s that.

    Now, consider whether I could have said that if I had to sign my real name to it. :-)

  • HamletsMill

    Hi Aquarius 1027! What these people once had was lightning in a bottle! Those fast moving community monitored threads of 2010 were spectacular. And that year at the height of their winning site design features they made a $30 million dollar profit! They had the formula for the original “Cocaine Cola” only now in pure intellectual endorphins! It was totally addicting mind to mind connection! An incredible experience every night! People sharing information in the world economic crisis and every breaking political idiocy at the speed of light! I learned something new EVERY SINGLE NIGHT from someone’s profound individual life experience. You saw something still of it in your time frame. You saw enough to realize the mind bending stupidity of their current redesign and December 10th move.

    And so my video stands! Utter corporate hack morons!

    http://tinyurl.com/kps8qy8

    Good to be with you now in the Great Migration to the Camp out here in the vast Wasteland beyond the Walled Cities!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFuzGU1wXq8

  • ChrisDC

    Thanks, and the same to you!

    I did consider asking Huffington Post if I could create a new account — so that my past comments (posted under a guarantee of anonymity) wouldn’t be linked to it. But then I noticed that everybody I was interested in talking to, or with, or debating, was gone. Like me. So there wouldn’t have been any point.

  • Aquarius 1027

    Hi there, ChrisDC! – Completely agreed with your great posts, there has to be respect for the right to privacy. Although it took me a month or two to even put my first post on HP, I participated knowing that my privacy was protected. With that gone, I could no longer stay. – Nice to connect with you! :)

  • Aquarius 1027

    Hi, Hamlett – thank you for sharing your experiences. There has been so much backlash against HP and it just keeps going! – I think this is reflective of the enormous extent of injustice that has been done by HP. While I was there only from 6/12 to 12/13, it was enough time for me to see the changes. Even though I did not observe or know HP from earlier times, I had come to know many of the community. And that loss of community has been the most significant for me. As well as the freedom to share as you have here. – The fact that this all occurred for the bottom line of profit is disgusting and adds insult to injury. – And as HP was my first venture and then it disintegrated, still searching that vast cyberspace for a place to connect. – Good to see you. :)

  • HamletsMill

    No, ChrisDC, I am not offended in any way by the analogy. Both involve telling the truth of any situation. When truth is not told, the realty of things cannot be made known and no progress can happen in human society. But prudence is always helpful to convey truth. When I was anonymous I could speak much more frankly and to the point by protecting my sources who happen to be members of my family. Likewise in your situation just blasting information indiscriminately to the entire world via this new very powerful technology is not helpful to true progress. Which, in your situation, is best on a one on one conversation. The three different aspects of this question about maintaining anonymity illustrated by these three examples are highly relevant. Their policy is ham fisted and completely ill advised for a New Media player that once was an astounding leader. This change has completely destroyed the once great potential of HP before AOL bought it. There is no way HP can survive in the long run. It will eventually be sold by AOL and die in the elephant graveyard of corporate group think idiocy. Because the people with brains are never coming back. Never.

    So good to have met up with you in the Great Exodus!

  • ChrisDC

    I think I’m banned, too. (At least, the reactivation email they sent me registers on their site as invalid. Not that I’m upset at that — I just clicked on in to see what would happen.) My posts, as least for now, are still there.

    When I first created a Facebook page, I did link my Huffington Post account to it, but I very rapidly stopped sharing what I wrote on Huffington Post with Facebook friends. I hope you won’t be offended by the analogy with your story, but I’m openly gay and have recently moved back home to the small Southern town where I grew up. Everyone knows that I’m gay, and that’s producing some really fantastic (and productive) conversations because people who’ve wanted to ask questions contact me and ask them. (I’ve declared myself to be a political correctness free zone. I’m never offended by a question as long I know you actually want to hear the answer, and are willing to accept the occasional ‘sorry, that’s none of your business.)

    I need to have those conversations one-on-one, face-to-face — not just blast my opinions out on the Internet. And there are some bad people around who I don’t want to know what I’m saying. (By bad people I mean, quite literally, Klansmen.)

  • HamletsMill

    That is it in a nutshell. Very well said. What HP did was completely unprofessional if they were serious about being a professional news player in New Media. It revealed the AOL “management” to be completely amateurish hacks.

    The once profound insider information potential that HP once had on those fast moving community monitored threads in 2010 is now gone forever. From 2007-2011 I posted information from the first hand experiences of two of my family members who were on the ground in Afghanistan from 2002-2009 involved in the most successful but completely unknown U.S. humanitarian aid effort of the War. They got medical help at the village level to 9.5 million Afghans across 16 Provinces. They both speak fluent self taught Farsi and Dari and had contacts going back 50 years in U.S.-Afghan relations.

    They saw the incredible debacle of BushCo in Afghanistan up close and personal. They and the Old U.S. Afghan hands going back to the 60′s knew far more about the country on the ground than any Congressman, Senator, U.S. Military General, and President or Vice President.

    I had to veil things in some posts but people found the insider revelations of the mind bending incompetence by the Government of the United States informative. The MSM never told the truth about anything in what was happening in Afghanistan all those years. But no way am I putting my real name on all those posts to put anyone at risk. No way.

    Perhaps it is good now in some way that I am now totally banned from HP by AOL Top Crack Corporate Management for making the Hitler-AOL video and those posts are now completely lost to history from ever being read by anyone who can connect the dots.

    http://tinyurl.com/kps8qy8

  • gmb007

    Thank you, Linds! :)

  • ChrisDC

    You should contemplate the distinctions between analogies and comparisons. (But I do have to congratulate you on a skillful use of manipulative semantics in order to avoid making an actual substantive point. Touche!)

  • HarukoHaruhara

    But by turning commenters into targets for advertising, they aren’t exactly showing their commenters respect are they?

  • ChrisDC

    I strongly suspect (but do not know) that Huffington Post made a business decision balancing a loss of site traffic against the escalating cost of managing the comments on the site.

    That’s their right, although they could have given us a little (or, for that matter, any) warning.

    Here’s the thing: they already had my Facebook page, and Facebook already had my cell phone number.

    What I simply could not do was to retroactively sign my real name to the thousands of posts I’d made on the site over the years. I work in politics and government. None of us can speak with our real names without being presumed to be speaking for the agencies, or elected officials, or clients we represent.

    It’s not that those folks would necessarily disagree with our personal opinions, although in some cases they might. It’s just that, if I write under my real name, I can’t say anything which conflicts with the message the people I work for are focusing on at the time.

    That’s not a matter of being upset — it’s that, structurally, there’s no way for a political professional or agency appointee or employee to participate anymore.

    Huffington Post’s site traffic numbers may climb back up to what they were eventually, but the quality of the commentary will never come back in the Politics section. They’ve rigged it so it can’t because no insiders can possibly afford to participate.

  • jackholesrealm

    Hey Joe!

    

I came to this thread looking for a comment made by Christina
    R on Huffington Post that was quoted by Tim McDonald as a prime example of the maturity level of their new community. The thing is that it was reported on jackholesrealm that out of the 9 or so comments she has made at least one was filled with homophobia. Apparently Mac Donald supports homophobia or most likely shouldhe is completely inept at doing his job as community manager.

    So getting back to you. Sure you have been put on the defensive here so I’m not going to get into that kind of thing but I will say that the community that you are dismissing here as a “MOB” my friend is the
    same community you supported on Huffington Post.

    I have no problem with Huffington Post “bloggers” who
    have chosen to remain on Huffington Post. The news blog is the largest on the Internet and carries a lot of weight in their field. It is that influence and a staggering large audience that you and the rest of the unpaid “bloggers”, mind you the community are bloggers and citizen reporters just like you, want to reach. I know you to be a progressive minded individual so I hope you can understand how shocked we all are to hear that on the anonymity issue you have taken anything but a progressive stance.

    Rather than set up arguments and counter arguments on
    anonymity let me share the reason why it is so important to me that anonymity is preserved on the Internet.

    I suppose that I am like most people on the Internet. I post opinions based on what I know, what I read, what I experience. I generally
    work for influential people in New York City, me? I am just a
    working-class dog but my reputation hinges on keeping other’s confidentiality. Add to that I have to consider my wife’s position in her field – it wouldn’t behoove us having me rant about right-wingers in any way. It is our right to do so but let’s be real the consequences would be severe.

    Anonymity has been the tool that enables me to, on the
    rare occasion I decide to take the Internet seriously, to one; get my ideas across (disjointed as they may be) two; support a community of similar minded individuals.

    For those that know my site, and me it is no surprise that I guard my anonymity they have witnessed the relentless cyber bullying
    aimed at my friends and me.

    There is a deep disconnect between bloggers with political/ professional aspirations and the rest of us community bloggers. As someone who has chosen to be in the public eye you have forfeited anonymity in the hope doing whatever it is you want to achieve. That is your personal choice; in a way I can understand it works for
    you but arguing with individuals who have been harmed by having their anonymity exposed or those who are under constant attack like me that because the actions of a few trolls anonymity should disappear from online comment forums seems incredibly
    dishonest.

    I don’t think anyone here is going to sway opinion either way. However, if you want to take a look at what anonymity means to us the exile “MOB” follow the link below, you may get a
    better understanding of what is at stake for us who prefer to stay out of the limelight.

    http://jackholesrealm.wordpress.com/aolanas-war-on-anonymity/

  • http://thehuffingtonposter.wordpress.com/ Forrest Grump

    Are you sure about that?

    “And Josiah Bartlett, delegate from New Hampshire, pointed out in a July 24 peter to William Whipple that Morris had previously used the pseudonym “the American”. – The Papers of Henry Laurens, Vol. 15

    According to historian Richard B. Morris, the Federalist Papers are an “incomparable exposition of the Constitution, a classic in political science unsurpassed in both breadth and depth by the product of any later American writer.”

    What I’m wondering is, what do you know about the Papers that he doesn’t?

  • MaudeFrickert

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: HumeSkeptic must be writhing in his grave.

  • Smith_90125

    No, it’s not. The decision was to turn commenters into targets for advertising, just as google did with youtube. Trolls are just the excuse.

  • Smith_90125

    The Compost lives down to its name again.

    The decision to force people to give real identities and personal information is NOT about “stopping trolls”. It’s about marketing and making money through targeted ads, the same as with google and youtube. Companies are claiming “trolls” for the same reason the US government cries “terrorism”: to create and excuse for invading people’s privacy.

    A truly determined troll is not going to be deterred by the Compost’s “registration system”. There are ways around their “verification” like disposable phones. There are also free sites online that allow people to receive calls to “prove” they have a phone. If someone like me who is NOT tech savvy and not a troll can figure out how to circumvent such systems, don’t you think a tech savvy scumbag can figure it out?

  • OneOtherPerson

    what a load of whoooeeee.Much of what the founding fathers wrote was done anonymously. Some of the most compelling reasons to leave the Crown were done under false names to prevent retaliation

  • Rick Carufel

    Ha Ha Ha That explains why every time I said Newt wants to be a lizard or a reptile when he grow up they refused to post it. :)

  • PlutocratsSuck
  • Rick Carufel

    I noticed a while back someone there was very pro Newt Gingrich. Every post I made about him was deleted.

  • PlutocratsSuck

    Maybe that’s the day off for moderator staff and they just shift the work load to automation, maybe they’re all at a Tony Robbins motivational seminar on Sundays, who knows? I got moderated 7 days a week on that site, certain threads I wasn’t even allowed to participate in, period, no matter how vanilla I made the comment, instant deletion. The “why conversations” thread was one of them.

    Why they wouldn’t let me in on the “conversation” is because they didn’t want anyone else reading what I had to say. Par for the course on a site like that. So at least you get 6 days to say something, take comfort in that. Otherwise I would suggest leaving, I did.

  • Rick Carufel

    I agree. But the software is set to flag certain accounts by someone and my account is only flagged on Sunday.

  • Lindstr7

    It hurts my brain. It really does. Well said Gmb. I hadn’t seen that til now even though FGrump referenced it before. They are all completely out to lunch.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    It’s their media “careers” of precisely equal distinction that have you confused ;-)

  • Lindstr7

    Hmm….wonder why they refuse to investigate. There are plenty of people who create fake facebook accounts by falsifying information. I fail to see how setting up a verified facebook account will protect authors. Look, you’re online selling something so you’re exposing yourself in the same way a bookstore might be exposed to vandals. Troublemakers, trolls, ….they’ll find a way around the rules.

  • PlutocratsSuck

    lol, you haven’t been there very long have you? The Huffington post censors commentary, it has very little to do with curbing “trolling” in the grand scheme of things. It’s very possible your comment was instantly deleted by software without ever having human eyes laid upon it.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    If it suffers from Insta-delete, the chances are slim that a human eye has even glimpsed it. More likely you are suffering from the Wrath of Julia.

  • geezer 56

    Multiply that by thousands of other commenters whose completely innocuous posts are routinely vaporized instantly or postponed for days, and you might have an inkling about what a tiny fraction of the problem is really about.

  • Rick Carufel

    I’ve been posting on Huff for a few years and have noticed a disturbing trend. Certain Huff mods have their own agenda. I say this because there seems to be one certain mod who works on Sunday who rejects all my comments. I even experience “This post has been deleted”, instantly, when I click the comment button. Never happens any other time only on Sundays. This makes it clear to me that at least one troll works for Huffpost that needs to be rooted out.

  • Lindstr7

    He only seems to thrive in a one way discourse. With mods, in case someone out there should disagree with him.

  • Rick Carufel

    You are sadly wrong. There is clear, ironclad documentation of online stalking of authors by trolls and feds refuse to investigate. I don’t understand your last sentence.

  • Lindstr7

    No doubt. I’m sure he’s “batting” for the other teams rhetoric hoping to get a place at “bat” when HP gains traction and heads for the world series or some such crap lol.

  • PlutocratsSuck

    Half-truths are the only truths you’re ever likely to get out of the likes of Timmy.

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    And Govornor Morris was asked to be a part of the Federalist Papers refused to join because he thought you should stand behind what you write.

  • http://thehuffingtonposter.wordpress.com/ Forrest Grump

    One not shared by the founding fathers of the country you live in, who published opinions under a fake name.

  • http://thehuffingtonposter.wordpress.com/ Forrest Grump

    Not a Mark Twain fan either, I take it.

  • MagnaDave

    I would imagine that many of the world’s problems could be solved over a dinner of cheesesteaks.

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    there is a real world out here -
    with fried onions and mushrooms.

  • MagnaDave

    “Moderation has become easier.”

    Part of the truth finally comes out, however unintentionally.

  • http://thehuffingtonposter.wordpress.com/ Forrest Grump

    “if you cannot put your name behind what you are saying – i discount what you say immediately.”

    Not a Bob Dylan fan, I take it.

  • MagnaDave

    They’re very clever, those folks at HP!

  • MagnaDave

    Now, that sounds good.!My appetite is overwhelming my perception of the presumed credibility of your offer. Kudos!

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    you want to grab a cheesesteak at Tony’s Pizza in Audubon, Pa. I will treat.

  • Lindstr7

    If a crime is committed online, the feds can find them n/p. This is all about advertising dollars and the evolution of “branding” although we’d be hard pressed to find anyone in the media actually writing about that. It’s like breaking through the fourth wall trying to understand what the backroom mechanizations by 24 y/o mba;s

  • gmb007

    Thanks, Blue! :)

  • Shanti108

    as I said, “one line zingers filled with obscenity and vitriol”
    Thanks for providing everyone with a such an excellent example.
    You know guys, isn’t it funny that this guy is exactly what most would consider a troll, and yet HP gives him a blog?
    Well, the only thing to do with a troll, of course, is:
    ignore.

  • geezer 56

    Shanti, I fear that what you just posited isn’t so much a matter of “if” as of “when.” I do not understand why some people refuse to see this, and it really scares me. And makes me HOPPING mad.

  • Blue Eyed Bull

    Bravo Gmb.

  • PlutocratsSuck

    We are very happy with the results so far. Comments are better,
    commenters are more cilivil, moderation has become easier, and the
    community is very healthy.

    I’m sure it’s much easier to censor commentary protect themselves from criticism now that there is much less of it. Also my definition of what constitutes a healthy comment community differs significantly from Tim’s. From what I’ve seen the content there is about as “healthy” as a brain dead person on life support, with a brave few vainly seeking to resuscitate what is essentially a breathing corpse. Technically alive, but only technically.

  • Blue Eyed Bull

    If you could teleport yourself to Colorado you would still have a ways to go before you arrived in Phoenix Arizona.

  • RockyMissouri

    Thank you! A kind gesture.. Too bad I can’t teleport myself to Colorado…{sigh} I’ll just have to hope my state receives enlightenment….(and I live that long)….!! The wheels of justice seem to be rusted at times… Just as long as they don’t roll backwards..!!

  • HamletsMill

    Yep. Going down.

    http://tinyurl.com/kps8qy8

  • gmb007

    Hey, Timmy –

    WHY did it take you SIX DAYS to respond to Poynter’s email?

    How many times did your happy little email have to clear Corporate and Legal? LOL

    You don’t appear to be a “Director” of anything, much less “Community”. More like a boot-licking lapdog.

    Fascinating that you chose to quote a “glowing review” by a 6-month HP member with 9 fans.

    What, you couldn’t find Forpeace?

    You remember her – 89,977posts 4320 fans – CTO John Pavley’s* “star” HP commenter, a member HP had previously held up as an ideal of “integrity”?

    She, like many, was openly (always civilly) critical of HP’s draconian, misguided strategies.

    Not surprisingly, she – like tens (hundreds?) of thousands of loyal HP dissenters – is now persona non grata, exiled.

    Tell us, Timmy – how is the HP/AOL Ideology essentially any different than North Korea’s Kim Jong Un – who re-writes and re-arranges history to comply with his public “reality”?

    Forcing out loyal, long-time members unless they swear allegiance to FB, hand over their cell phone numbers (can you say data mining?) and “disappearing” dissenting comments – even banning veteran members – is the mark of TYRANTS.

    ..

    * “Our best HuffPost users create colorful identities that they wear like vanity license plates on their comments identifying their inner selves with usernames like “forpeace” and “Patriot1942″. These users build up a fan base and a solid reputation. If all Internet users had the integrity of “forpeace” and “Patriot1942″ we would not have a problem that we need solve on our pages.”
    - CTO John Pavley 9.1.13

  • Shanti108

    For Shop and Save to know what brand of toilet paper I prefer is not the same as some psycho stalker redneck in Alabama with a shot gun knowing where I live and work and go to church and where my children go to school. All of which can be gotten from a verified fb account by almost anyone. Furthermore, chances are, they won’t even have to work for it. All they need to do is wait 6 months for fb to change their privacy policy and tools without telling its users (sound familiar?) and your private stuff just gets posted publicly. When some stalker uses HP’s new policy to get his victim, the bad publicity will be the final nail in the coffin of HP

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    Ah yes, as I mentioned above, one of the key reader benefits is when “avatar” (who curiously, has never appeared to actually be in possession of an actual avatar) faves one’s generic, unspecified comment. I think it’s HP’s stalkerish way of sending a Valentine’s Day card. “We just love you for… why, for anything you might say!”

  • Blue Eyed Bull

    Lol.

  • MagnaDave

    LOL! That might have made sense. Another favorite is when an invisible and nameless person faved my invisible comment.

  • Blue Eyed Bull

    Well I would share my Southern Comfort if you have the ice to go with it.

  • HarukoHaruhara
  • Ian_Llanganagain

    LOL – I forgot about that! Was it in response to the article “Time Travel Doesn’t Look Like THIS Anymore!” ? :-D

  • Unlisted2u

    <— waving byez-byez.. :)

  • MagnaDave

    I think I told you about the notification I received that said “So and so faved your comment 235 YEARS ago. That made my day!

  • RockyMissouri

    I’m thinking, no. Much stronger…

  • Unlisted2u

    You, of all people (here, at this time,) should be the most aware of when the proper time arises to unmask.

    Unfortunately your timing was/is way wayyy off..

  • Shanti108

    as I said, “one line zingers filled with obscenity and vitriol”
    Thanks for providing everyone with a such an excellent example.
    You know guys, isn’t it funny that this guy is exactly what most would consider a troll, and yet HP gives him a blog?
    Well, the only thing to do with a troll, of course, is:
    ignore.

  • Blue Eyed Bull

    Will 7 up do?

  • MagnaDave

    Any proof at all, that real names or not, that anyone here will ever be anything more than a total stranger to me.

    I am desperately trying to figure out how using “real” names makes anyone more credible, when all they will ever be, in my reality, is printed words on a webpage.

    Absolutely no offense intended, but “Joe Blow” and “Joe Ferraro” have the same credibility to me because they are both strangers to me.

  • RockyMissouri

    Haha! Something stronger, I think….

  • HarukoHaruhara

    Oh, dear, do you need some flat Sprite? ☺

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    i dunno – i have these sets of 4 evenly spaces holes all over me.

  • RockyMissouri

    Barf.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    I really do think that people like him really do believe that their podunk “blogging” will lead to a regular gig as a paid talking head (and an “author”) in television, radio and on “prestigious” websites. /smh!/

  • Sharyn

    Hi unlisted! I’m heading off. Good night my friends!!!

  • Sharyn

    So happy !!!

  • Sharyn

    Thank you Joe. These people, they are real.

  • Intolerantcentrist

    But we did spare the pitchforks…didn’t we?

    My opinion is; the notion that the internet will become miraculously civil because of the steps HP/Facebook has taken is incredibly naive at best, commercially evil at the worst.

  • MagnaDave

    Ian, we both know that we are only allowed to comment on ONE site and one site ONLY! Wait, Joe is commenting on more than one site.

    Um, what?

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    His picture looks *really* old and out of date ;-)

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    Well if it gives you any comfort, phantom phannings and a “notifications” “counter” that never can actually count notifications accurately are what they must consider to be a “key benefit” to readers, because they have certainly been conscientious about keeping those going strongly (along with avatar-with-no-actual-avatar faving generic, unspecified comments on a fairly predictable basis).

  • MagnaDave

    Good analogy!

  • MagnaDave

    I try to ride them to read all the replies. Lately, HP has added a new thrill to the ride. When I click on the right-arrow to see the next reply to someone’s comment, the page jumps to the top and gets stuck there for a while.

    And the IT guys and moderators just laugh themselves silly watching me struggle to accomplish something.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    I would say it is more akin to spraying a gallon of Agent Orange at those dandelions that happen to be in bloom – but completely ignoring the ones that may have the hugest leaves and most established roots, but happen not to have a yellow flower present when one goes out to spray.

  • Unlisted2u

    ROFL!! :D

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    It’s rather like one of those European traffic circles, except it’s purpose-built for drive-by comment shootings. You get on the roundabout, let a comment fly out of the window somewhere between the 2nd and 3rd exits, hope it sticks to the traffic sign you aimed it at, and then upon reaching exit #4, you speed off, uninterested in any response you might get, and judging by those interested in making the drive-by comments, unlikely to return to that traffic circle ever again! Zoom-zoom!

  • Unlisted2u

    Farmers in the midwest could really use and would really appreciate your help then – OK..

  • MagnaDave

    I hope that if Tim McDonald finds a weed in his lawn he doesn’t concrete over the entire thing in order to fix the problem. It works but it’s drastic and defeats the entire purpose of having a lawn in the first place.

    Sort of like having a comments section and banishing the majority of commenters.

  • apogee2perogee

    I don’t see any point that hasn’t been rebutted, and you have no explanation. Name one, please.

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    nice poo fling there…

  • Unlisted2u

    Yup..
    And one of my street names is: U2..

  • Blue Eyed Bull

    People can google my name and find out I am a Realtor. The only thing I talk to my clients about is real estate. Can you imagine how many clients I could potential lose if they knew my political views.

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    that is great – i am glad it has worked out for you.

  • Shanti108

    That’s what desperation looks like. His ship, the HMS Arianna, is going down and all the rats are scrambling for the last dry spot. So lots of vicious biting ensues.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    You flatter yourself fulsomely. You actually think you are going to gain an audience or followers through this act of “career”-suicide? (Perhaps you better than The Timmeh will recognize that that was a rhetorical question, and think the better of attempting a feeble answer.)

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    i made a point below – answered it, then i get hammered by OnyxE and responded to that.

    so this mess of a thread is what is it.

  • Sharyn

    Better flag him!

  • Sharyn

    Ha ha. Hmmm ;)

  • MagnaDave

    Yes! Your analogy made my day.

  • Sharyn

    That’s the beauty of it, isn’t it? :)

  • Sharyn

    He doesn’t see the community that we are all in. That’s all we do is joke and gab and chat and discuss and laugh. It’s what makes it great.

  • apogee2perogee

    Can you even reason a response, or is complaints and dismissive characterizations all you have to bring to the table?

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    Agar-agar shots! Whoo-hoo! :-D

  • OnyxE

    I used to use my real name all the time; what happens is people who disagree with you on important subjects will seach the internet for personal information and derail the entire discussion by bringing up things about you. Geez I was on a goose article defending geese..with facts and expert opinions….when some redneck with no arguments found I had a workers compensation claim and belonged to an injured workers group on the internet…so he was totally trashing me, saying I was a fraud etc etc. Just because he had no defense for his opinion on geese. So he trashed me. After that I thought, screw that BS. I won’t be using my real name again.

  • MagnaDave

    Most comments are stand-alones on HP now. “Conversations” seem to be almost entirely impossible there.

    Most people get dizzy riding the Carousels of Commenting Convolutions, get dizzy, fall off, hit their heads, and are never heard from again.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    What is not covered under the rubric of shameless is adequately located under “brainless”.

  • Sharyn

    It’s not a distraction, sorry, we all actually talk to each other this way. We butt in and kid and laugh and greet. That’s what makes it a community wherever we are, here or at Epoch. It’s like a living thread.

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    guess so – i have been taking a lot of incoming this evening.

    i guess by the sheer weight of all the people posting here this evening you have certainly made your case for keeping everyone’s identity behind the curtain.

    Or has the behavior here made the case for what HP did in changing their policy?

  • Sharyn

    No Jell-O shots? Oh, that’s right, that’s not vegan.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    For my part, I am only amazed that you can even still *FIND* your HP friends, much less anything they have had to say (that has actually made it over the transom to publication without 100% redaction), much less respond to it (and again, see your response published) on the Convolution of Concatenations.

  • geezer 56

    No last initial!

  • apogee2perogee

    The content of your vote is private. What would be the negative critique for actually voting? You have note a difference without a consequence.

  • Sharyn

    Beyond belief. I never though such a community existed anymore, anywhere. I had given up hope.

    They raised me up from it and asked nothing in return. Nothing.

  • MagnaDave

    There are two particles at HP I would love to see collide but I won’t name them.

  • geezer 56

    “Shameless” covers a lot in this whole situation.

  • apogee2perogee

    Crap? I guess if you consider all rebuttals crap. You don’t make any convincing arguments to defend against those rebuttals. So I’d say you don’t have much room to be so dismissive. That just makes the name calling look even more pitiable.

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    actually – it is a public act to vote.
    your ballot is secret

    but your presence is noted at the polls and announced.
    your voter records are public information.

  • MagnaDave

    Is that his real name? Sounds like a pseudonym to me. Is he “verified?”

  • MagnaDave

    That’s because they have figured out how to monetize speech. “Free” speech isn’t profitable.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    I have little regard for shameless self-promoters attempting to forge their “careers” in the manner I have seen demonstrated below and at HP.

  • Sharyn

    The spin is so strong. It’s unbelievable. It could also alter the tides and mess with the moon.

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    i think you get more street cred putting you name behind stuff.

  • OnyxE

    Nobody said THIS was ET. She said you came to ET and you did that and you already trashed us there too. “you came to ET and trashed all of us and weaseled your way into becoming a blogger THERE.” And this is the last comment I intend to make to you. So hopefully you will just leave the mob alone.

  • apogee2perogee

    That is absolute malarkey. If voting is free speech, and we vote in private, then how do you defend that assertion? You can’t.

  • Unlisted2u

    This is all pointless with you, joe.
    You choose to blog / write.
    In this day and age anyone looking for success in this and many other professions have to / need to be open.
    For simplicity’s sake we’ll call it “street cred.”

    However, there are many of us who don’t “work” under that umbrella.
    By your definition, we all should be the same as you.
    That simply is not possible, nor is it safe or even advisable.

    Your argument only works for certain segments of the populace.
    Once outside those boundaries, one’s very life can be placed in jeopardy by following this ill-advised dictum.

    Face it bro, it’s pure and simple invasion of privacy, period!

  • MagnaDave

    I’m laughing too hard to post anything useful.

    LOLOL!

  • Shanti108

    Bottom line: we huffugees are a thoughtful, articulate lot who made our well reasoned posts with intelligence and wit. Then some troll would shoot back a one line zinger filled with obscenity and vitriol.
    So HP decided to protect us.
    And now HP has lost us and has only trolls and sycophants.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    Proving that in addition to your other inadequacies, you are clueless as to attempting to read, prior to commenting, what is obviously happening when two existing members of a community who know one another previously engage in playful banter that does not concern you. Are you quite certain you are cut out for a public career in online media after all? You don’t seem at all suited to the task.

  • geezer 56

    It happens. Sometimes first impressions are just wrong. On the other hand, I can name one first impression I had that was spot on…!

  • Blue Eyed Bull

    Hi Geezer. Considering the conversation we all were on our last nerve. We learn and grow.

  • MagnaDave

    I don’t blame you for staying. In fact, I am glad that you did. I have read your comments and regretted not being able to reply to them. I have considered rejoining, but if (a big if) I do it won’t be under my real name. I have a very unique name, (in my entire life, I have seen exactly 2 unrelated people with the same name). I also do not believe in literally selling myself to FB for the privilege of commenting on HP.

    I am very confused about something. I still read the comments on HP and I can’t help but notice that there are very few “real” names. I see lots of first names and last name initials, obviously fake names, and a few still commenting with their old screen names. Wasn’t the original “deal” that we were all to use our real names? I thought that HP was going to require full disclosure so that everyone would “behave” themselves. As far as screen names go, I’m guessing that at least 80% of the people there are still basically completely anonymous. Yet, I would imagine that about 99% probably have FB accounts. I haven’t seen a major change in the tone of the comments, either.

    So, it would appear to me that “civility” was never the issue and “verifying” via FB was never the “solution.” It would seem that forcing people to join FB, through any means necessary, was the goal all along. I’m assuming that that is financially rewarding to both FB and HP.

  • HarukoHaruhara

    While few news organizations have created the level of commenting communities fostered by HuffPost, one major lesson has emerged from the site’s commenting policy: taking loyal readers by surprise leads to unnecessary resentment. Why not communicate big changes transparently and in advance to minimize backlash and afford readers — in this case readers who helped build HuffPost into the media behemoth that it is today — a little more respect?

    I think that is an excellent paragraph by Sam Kirkland.

    Ultimately, this is about respect.

  • Blue Eyed Bull

    I know Ian. HP is actually stiffing free speech.

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    that is very nice.

  • geezer 56

    Blue, I did, too.

  • Sharyn

    What do you expect from some Hussey on the street?

    (Had to do it, couldn’t resist). ;)

  • Sharyn

    You know, there is so much spin over at the Huffington Post they could apply to host their own Large Hadron Collider.

    At least then it would produce something useful.

  • OnyxE

    LMFAO. I’m pretty sure Poyner will get some great laughs here.

  • geezer 56

    Bravo, Ian.

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    the only problem is this is not The Epoch Times…

  • Unlisted2u

    Paranoid much..?
    How can people who have themselves locked be followed..?

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    People have been pilloried, attacked, raped, tortured, jailed and killed for making comments within Facebook under their own name. Futher, HP’s reliance on Facebook for “verification” purposes is a complete joke.

  • apogee2perogee

    Coarse as a cob.

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    i believe that for every drop of rain a flower grows. – OK

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    wanna skype me ?
    you can see my facebook profile has my business on it.

    what proof are you looking for?

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    look – i came over here to make a point and you could not help yourself.

    you wanted to take shots at me and you got your gang to come with you – that is just great.

    i don’t think you see how you have proved my point about faceless mobs.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    Only someone with an hopelessly Ameri-centric viewpoint – that is to say someone without the intellectual curiosity to travel outside of the US edition of HP (and in particular outside of the comfortable envelope of the other English language editions to where a commenting community was only beginning to spread its wings) would be oblivious to the fact that many of the comments made in stories written/carried about trouble spots in the world (Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, north and east Africa, et al) were being made by people living in those regions with first-hand accounts and opinions to convey. Such people were comfortable on HP precisely because it allowed them to comment at some length whilst flying under the radar of their respective governments – each of whom was either closely monitoring comments made in social media (Facebook, Twitter, etc.) or that had forbidden access to such social networks entirely.

    Futher, HP took absolutely NO meaningful measures to inform the reader community that it would be beneficial to review their Facebook account privacy settings before accepting, nor did they (and this is perhaps the most egregious and sinister omission) think to inform commenters of the wisdom (in a google image-matching search world) of making their profile shot on Facebook something different from their avatar on Facebook. In fact, precisely the opposite was the default choice. Little Timmy Teatmouse only sheepishly allowing as how people did not have to use the same picture on both sites – and only making this admission to me in a response-to-a-response-to-a-response-to-a-response-to-a-comment after 6,100 previous comments and PLENTY of opportunities to do so in his “article” is, to my way of thinking, a conscious betrayal of the safety (and possibly LIVES) of anyone commenting from an authoritarian regime. No wonder the French, Italian & German versions of HP, which were still fairly quiet, have completely lost comments from dangerous regimes written by those with some knowledge of those languages (or of how to find translation engines).

    It’s shocking, appalling and extremely galling to have to read the self-justifying yammerings and blatherings of some Ameri-centric self-promoting “blogger” in defense of an utterly immoral and malicious decision, made without the slightest regard for vulnerable persons living in despotic countries who had only begun to find their voices to inform the West of what was really going on “on the ground”. I guess one’s life and safety are only valid if one is an American aspirant to being a known figure in the electronic media.

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    you and your faceless mob?

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    look – i am stating my opinion here.
    i don’t set policy anywhere, except for what i say myself.
    ironically, i am taking a ton of crap for it.

    have i done anything to limit how you are practicing your interpretation of freedom of speech? I haven’t called the cops – cyber or otherwise.

    I do agree with you that is is a commercial consideration that has made HP change their policies.

    but I do have to say that even with suspecting them as to paying trolls to keep the conversations going, it was not bad for a free setup.

    i just wonder how long other sites will allow an echo chamber if they lose readers and commenters who are forced out by groupthink.

    (that is why I don’t do the Daily Kos. The kossacks are too much.)

    I gotta say it is kinda funny that I asked where this thread was on ET to say something and the next thing I see is a gang of people who rushed over from there with cyber-torches in hand…

  • Blue Eyed Bull

    Ony, I owe you an apology. We got off on the wrong foot.

  • Sharyn

    This community bought me, a recently struck deaf woman down on her luck and depressed, a brand new iPad three days ago. And they did it anonymously. A community is exactly what you are seeing. Beyond a community, actually.

  • Blue Eyed Bull

    I don’t have a problem with using my real name in comments. I will tell you to your face what I would post. I have a problem when it becomes MANDATORY to use real names. As we have seen on FB of all places real names don’t prevent bullying. Read the stories of people at http://jackholesrealm.wordpress.com/aolanas-war-on-anonymity/ and judge for yourself whether using real names is the best policy. I’ve read all the stories and can’t imagine what those people have gone through.

  • Sharyn

    Best video ever.

  • OnyxE

    you seem to have stalked us, to ET and then here with your same old spiel and when we disagree we are the mob responsible for kids being bullied to death on the internet. We did not follow you. You are the troll.

  • Unlisted2u

    I want to believe you know what that really means / what I really meant.
    So I choose to do so.
    Your turn..

  • blacklace382

    Good quotes, and I am impartial in this argument, but many posters that have been around for a long time have kept using their HP names. Ex. Machcrit, Gay Dood, etc. There are ways around using your personal name on FB. I am an ex. No I did not like having to go set up an FB acct, using a family members names but at the same time I could not part with so many friends that decided to stay at HP. :-)

  • Sharyn

    Well stated.

  • Unlisted2u

    I don’t much care for the reality in which you choose to live.

    As for how ” I ” propose to change the spying conditions, ” I ” don’t.
    However, ” WE ” will..

  • MagnaDave

    Serious question:

    Can you prove that your screen name is your real name, and if so, how?

  • OnyxE

    You’re such a suck. Seriously.

  • Intolerantcentrist

    Understand your predicament.

    By holding the freedom of speech, I also hold the right to speak in the form which I can freely choose. You, or anyone else, cannot yoke me with a form which you choose I speak through. HP has the right to establish a policy for the use of their site. I can freely choose follow or not to follow those policies. I choose to leave HP behind.

    I am ardently unconvinced this policy is a rational reaction to a clear and present danger. In my opinion it is a policy of contrived danger for commercial purposes: Facebook / HP future financial considerations. Trolls are the excuse, not the reason for this policy.

  • Sharyn

    That’s great!

  • Sharyn

    Anyone who left there they have since labeled a “troll.”

    Pretty great spin for them, especially if you see Quantcast. Timmy will just say all the millions of click they are missing are the evil trolls.

  • Blue Eyed Bull

    I’m speechless. Give me time, I am so overwhelmed.

  • MagnaDave

    Perhaps we would be willing to use our real names were we given the guarantee that nothing we would ever say would offend anyone, least of all, someone who is, shall we say, a bit unstable.

    “Then don’t say anything offensive” is the reply I expect to hear.

    Is that even possible/? How am I, or any one of us, to know what another reader might find offensive? I think we can safely rule out posting any comments on politics, religion, ethnicity, financial status, marital status, place of birth, ancestry, current place of residence, achievements, disabilities, body type, actors, actresses, movies, TV shows, songs, musicians, sports, automobiles, animals, favorite foods, jokes, the list is literally infinite.

    No matter how careful we may be not to offend, we can not know who might take offense to anything we might say nor what that person might do if he or she feels sufficiently offended. For better or worse, everyone is passionate about something and passion has been known to create extreme responses, even to the slightest hint of perceived offense.

    Then, we can add in the ever-present prospect of one’s comment being misunderstood. Sarcasm mistaken for seriousness, a joke misinterpreted or touching on a subject that hits too close to home, even a mis-spelled or poorly chosen word can have unintended effects and, perhaps, serious consequences.

    I will always remember the following comment and I sincerely regret not remembering who to attribute it to:

    “I am less interested in knowing your real name than I am in knowing what you really think.”

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    this thread was going in one direction –
    my apologies – please continue trying to pick up the cyber-chick.

  • Sharyn

    “My plainness of speech makes them hate me, and what is their hatred but a proof that I am speaking the truth?”
    -Socrates, Republic

  • Sharyn

    Ill have to tweet them my notes, Onyx.

  • HamletsMill

    To Timmy and his fellows on AOL Ace Top Management I say this:

    Hitler Learns Arianna Huffington Has Made Everyone Join Facebook to Be Able to Post Comments!

    http://tinyurl.com/kps8qy8

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    In your panic/flopsweat/scramble to defend the indefensible, you failed to notice that my remark was for Blue Eyed Bull. Add that in to the reasons why naming people does not make for a more civil, or even coherent online discussion.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    I thought the not sleeping together was a part of the plan. I thought we were doing smart cocktails, water slides and gourmet vegan dinners (not necessarily in that order).

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    no – i am living in reality while using the serenity prayer.

    tell me – how do you propose to change the spying condition?

  • Sharyn

    They deleted him, hi MD!

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    ahhh deflection via comment dilution – got it

  • Unlisted2u

    That’s your argument: My privacy is already gone, so I should just roll over and give them what they don’t already have..?

    Geddouddaheah.. Really..? That’s what you really believe..?

    I take back what I said earlier, since it now appears you did drink the kool-aid as a personal choice..

  • Sharyn

    Trolls my bum.

    This is all about Metcalfe’s Law and economics, for Facebook and Huffpo.

    Metcalfe’s law says the supposed value of any network is proportional to the square of the number of connected users of the system. It’s about business and competitive companies merging to make the big bucks off of US.

  • Blue Eyed Bull

    OK, but I am not going to be sleep with you. ;)

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    Not directed to or at you. You’re too busy defending the utterly indefensible to get it even if I cared to explain it. Which I don’t.

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    ???

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    The wedding is back on. This time I’m buying the ring. Honeymoon = location of your choice.

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    why not count the people on this thread…

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    sorry – i have been dealing with a number of people here.

    my basic position is that freedom of speech requires the responsibility of identifying yourself.

  • OnyxE

    You’re a joke Joe. I’m being rude to management because they choose to use disqus? Maybe you are the rude one coming in and starting with ‘the mob’ BS.

  • Intolerantcentrist

    …?

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    enjoy.

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    i will circle back to
    if you cannot stand behind what you say – you should not say it.

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    you have already turned over all your info when you go to the grocery store.
    your privacy is gone – no matter what you want to believe.

    If the government or a web site or a company said they would stop spying on you right now would you really believe them?

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    the management of this particular Discus site is asking you to act in a certain way?

    why are you being rude to the management here.

  • Unlisted2u

    Then you should write a blog post about what you think — on this matter of personal anonymity vs here’s all my and my friends information minus our SSNs.

    I’d like to read it.. in order to form an opinion.

    Who knows? You may convince me it’s the right thing to do..

  • Blue Eyed Bull

    Wow, you’re paranoid. I don’t have the time nor the inclination to follow you or read you insipid comments.

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    is this the ET site?
    are you going to cyberstalk me onto other sites i use with discus?

  • Intolerantcentrist

    That would be the intent and the product of HP’s policy, isn’t it? (i.e. trolls are evil and must be “verified”,and if not verified removed. Those who choose not to be “verified” will be removed as if they are in fact “trolls”.)

  • Blue Eyed Bull

    Joe, you came to ET and trashed all of us and weaseled your way into becoming a blogger there. You said in your own words HP has been good to you and you would not turn your back on them. What about the people they haven’t been good to? We have built a community at ET. HP could have been one, but their policies prevented that. Enjoy sleeping with the devil.

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    i am the same guy.

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    what choice is that?
    the way i look at it is – i am who i am.

    if i am going to get beaten up anyway – I may as well say what i think.

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    what do you want to believe?

  • Unlisted2u

    You’ve already made your choice, joe.
    Hope you’re happy with it..

  • takawalk

    From all of the recommendations I have seen for Joe the nerd, sometimes I wonder if this Joe is the same guy so many people here liked on hp. jus sayin.

  • OnyxE

    nerd, this is the Disqus platform.

    “61 Percent Of Disqus Comments Are Made With Pseudonyms”

    “New data from Disqus, the commenting platform, suggests that pseudonyms both encourage more and better comments.

    :According to the data, 61 percent of all Disqus comments are made via
    pseudonyms, versus 35 percent anonymous and 4 percent using real names (i.e. Facebook). People with pseudonyms also comment 6.5 times more than those who comment anonymously and 4.7 times more than commenters who use real names.

    Okay, but what about the trolls? Disqus maintains that only does
    allowing pseudonyms produce more comments, but the quality of the
    comments is also better, as measured by likes and replies. Disqus
    maintains that 61 percent of pseudonymous comments on its system are
    positive in that regard, versus only 34 percent positive for anonymous
    comments (I knew it!) and 51 percent positive for comments made using
    real names. People who use pseudonyms post better comments on Disqus.
    Their comments are liked more and generate more discussion.”

    …..this article was posted on Tech Crunch…who got rid of anonymous comments and later begged their commenters to return, I believe TC is also owned by AOL?.

    http://techcrunch.com/2012/01/09/61-percent-disqus-comments-pseudonyms/

    And obviously you don’t know the difference between GUIDELINES and LAWS WRITTEN IN STONE.

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    then don’t

  • Unlisted2u

    I. Want. To. Believe…

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    i guess i have free-choice only if i choose your choice?

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    i am seeing what a ‘community’ can do right now.

  • Canukistani

    So, because some with masks are criminals anyone with a mask is a criminal. If that bit of intellectual dishonesty is the best you can do, I see no reason to waste any more time on this.

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    what if it real? are they still a troll?

  • Unlisted2u

    Shame, really..
    You wouldn’t drink the kool-aid on your own free will,
    so they held you down & poured it into you..

    Another potentially good one.. taken from us too early..

  • Intolerantcentrist

    Except that “ troll” is “identified” by only the identity provided by the “troll”; real or fake.
    If a “troll” can’t be trusted to be civil, it is exceptionally unrealistic to imagine or expect the poster will not also attempt to subvert the identification rules.

  • Blue Eyed Bull

    The problem is Joe is in it for himself. Selling ones soul to the devil in order to bring him stature. I’ve seen what a community can do. Joe doesn’t want to be a part of a community.

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    i guess i will just have to point to the crowd in the Guy Fawkes masks…

  • Canukistani

    If you can find any one of us here who have done that name them. Otherwise cite something relevant.

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    so you think it is ok to harass kids into harming themselves?
    that is what you are defending at the further reach of your position.
    you call that kindness?

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    you are right – it is a large range. part of that range can be pretty evil.

    no one guarantees you a right to hide from what you say.

    this is well beyond HP – i bet you will find this everywhere within a year.

    a troll is no longer a troll once identified…

  • Canukistani

    If the choice is to side with you and your heavy-handed, name calling bludgeoning arguments or with a faceless mob who has shown kindness, even to you, I, sir, will take the mob every time If such as you will call me scumbag, then I will wear it proudly. And as for civility, I see little or none in you.

  • Intolerantcentrist

    The “faceless (supposed evil) crowd” is not a mob unified against the forces of good and right. The “mob” to which you refer contains a range of perspectives, opinions and zealousness of belief. Those who are left after the infliction of identification polices still comprise a range of perspectives, opinions and zealousness of belief; except that the number of opinions (arguably trusted and informed opinions) are reduced. Also, it remains to be proven that the commenting environment had reached a level of dangerous incivility
    (the cause of action on HP’s part) and that identification policy cannot be functionally subverted to the extent that the policy is rendered ineffective (which it appears to be).

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    Also the entire irony of your post is pretty laughable, OnyxE,

    Did you see the guidlelines for this site right above where you posted?

    “We have made it easy to comment on posts, however we require civility
    and encourage full names to that end (first initial, last name is OK). Please read our guidelines here before commenting.”

    I hope the managers of this site do not kill this thread because it is in violation of their policies…

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    i disagree with you 1,000%. when the faceless crowd becomes a mob – it is wrong.

    i want freedom of speech and i want to know who is saying it. have you ever been accused of something or been the victim of a whisper-down-the-lane campaign? they can be devastating.

    When you say you want to remain faceless – i think of the little kids who get bullied so badly online that they would rather take their own lives.

    OnyxE, you are doing a good job defending those scumbags.

    if you cannot put your name behind what you are saying – i discount what you say immediately.

    by the way – i think it is more fascist to hide and throw insults from behind a curtain.

    as far as Id’ing myself as an HP Blogger (happy to be there too) – i have done a hell of a lot more than you have by putting my real name here.

    oh, how often do I need to say my life history to placate someone who is faceless in the mob?

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    my point is that if you ref the game right at the beginning it plays well for most of the game. call it tight and people understand the fouls they are committing and they will get what is acceptable because they were told.

    they allowed me to moderate for a while (i was lousy because i let pretty much everything through) and they could put a code on the flag as it is being tanked.

    your moderator id is on it with a time stamp and and the flagging code. the action would not be that tough.

  • MagnaDave

    It appears that he may nave been banned. At the least, it appears that his comments have been removed. The one that I saw here wasn’t too objectionable but some in his history were very disturbing. What bothered me was his implication that we brought HP’s draconian policies on ourselves when, in fact, it appeared that the type of comments that he feels the need to post are what, in part, caused them to take action.

    Then again, I think that they actually took action for reasons that have nothing to do with what they have stated publicly. ($)

  • http://thehuffingtonposter.wordpress.com/ Forrest Grump

    I can tell you the names of a number of the moderators, but that won’t help. HP has over 70 million comments a year, and work within a limited budget for moderation of the site. You should know they are not going to take the time to email every commenter they bounce. They don’t even take the time to tell you why they banned you in most cases.

    I’m sorry but playing Net Nazi and asking for your papers before you are allowed to cross their territory is not the answer. Look to your right. You see the “-” sign? That will hide an offensive comment; making you, yourself and you, all the moderator you would need. If someone’s such a nancypants that that’s not enough for them, my advice is…. get your ass off the internet!

  • OnyxE

    joe the nerd, no, IDing people in order to comment is NOT a step in the right direction. People should be able to talk, share ideas, and opinions without fearing they will be hauled up in front of some quasi faceless tribunal. I think I should be able to talk about pipelines without worrying Harpers henchmen will stalk me on facebook and ‘correct’ my ideas. The alternative is we will be too scared to say anything.

    “The next time you post an opinion in an online forum or a Facebook
    group message board, don’t be surprised if you get a rebuttal from a
    federal employee.

    The government is looking for ways to monitor online chatter about
    political issues and correct what it perceives as misinformation.”

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/bureaucrats-monitor-online-forums-1.906351

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/feds-to-monitor-social-media-round-the-clock-1.2445224

  • HarukoHaruhara

    Dōitashimashite!

  • MaudeFrickert

    “Tim McDonald — poster child for Dunning-Kruger Effect.”

    Oh, my aching sides! See, this is exactly what I miss about HP Classic: intellectually rewarding snark. Thank you, HarukoHaruhara, I needed that.

  • joe the nerd ferraro

    The issue not addressed is a similar one to being a nameless poster.
    (I have no beef with requiring people to be Id’d in order to comment – it is a step in the right direction.)

    It is the nameless moderation.
    It would be more legit to give feedback to posters who’s comments do not pass muster.
    Why was a comment bounced,
    Who bounced it.
    When was it bounced.

    If HP want to be a ref at a basketball game calling cheap fouls – that is fine,
    But the players on the court cannot train themselves to play within the rules if the rules keep changing.

    Identifying who is bouncing the posts and why can get get better training for the moderator – like a ref going for extra training in the off-season.

    THAT will bring the discourse up.

  • MaudeFrickert

    “…cephaloanopathy. (medical terminology cephalo = head ano = anus pathy = disease)…”

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

    You just TOTALLY made my day.

  • TanzAtNite

    Great idea!
    If that ever came to fruition, I hope they’ll emphasize his arrogance.

  • OnyxE

    Exacty…her brain is disconnected from her mouth and hands. Alternatively she suffers from cephaloanopathy. (medical terminology cephalo = head ano = anus pathy = disease)

  • AskandTell

    I am not noticing as many cheap, insulting blows to people….rather they are expressing opinions in a more intelligent and thought out manner.” – Christina R.

    “The DA should get a gun, and shoot himself with it.” – Christina R.

  • OnyxE

    HP’s Quantcast web site ranking has dropped from 9th to 16th since December 10th; they are now behind Yelp, answers, and Pinterest. So their stable community is deserting them. https://www.quantcast.com/top-sites/US/1/

  • OnyxE

    Two words, Pete Santilli and what he said about Hilary Clinton using his real name. No, real names do not breed civility. And comments on FB have been among the worst; people have been bullied to death on facebook.

  • OnyxE

    I think we have searched his history before and found neat things…but it takes awhile because the well known soccer player also named David Hussey has tons of stuff about him on the web.

  • Winky Cat

    And “real” name!

  • Winky Cat

    Oh, and “dlistfan” is your “real” name? Funny, you are applauding a measure you aren’t even using yourself!

  • Canukistani

    As long as he does it in a very civil way, I guess it’s ok with her. And Tim as well, I’d imagine.

  • OnyxE

    Yeah…meanwhile she has only been there since July and has 9 fans and 103 comments. I was there under that name since June and had 250 fans and 2,500 posted comments.

  • geezer 56

    Uh whoops, Onyx, I think you meant “using your own name” instead of “anonymity” in the bottom graph. Edit button!

  • HarukoHaruhara

    Good find. This is who Timmeh takes seriously.

  • OnyxE

    Tim is providing some great ideas for SNL. Somebody ought to get them on this.

  • OnyxE

    Christina R made this comment ““The DA should get a gun, and shoot
    himself with it.” Obviously her definition of “expressing opinions in a
    more intelligent and thought out manner” is quite broad.

    This is public record on HP.

  • OnyxE

    Well Christina R’s commenting is public as is everyones so if that is the most credible quote Timmy could come up with it’s scraping bottom. And the comment in reply to her comment was ““I wonder why this is, because people are still anonymous.”

    I also would think the definitive proof anonymity does not make people civil is the well documented remarks Pete Santilli made about Hilary Clinton. Case closed.

  • OnyxE

    Yes….Christina R…… 9 fans and commenting in HP since July, 2013 with 103 comments. Oh yeah…I found a comment made by Christina. ” “The DA should get a gun, and shoot himself with it.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/tripleXtina?action=comments

    And there are over 6,000 comments on that article by Tim M and most of them are not happy.

    I had been commenting under my last name since June, 2013 and had 2,500 comments posted and 250 fans.

  • http://thehuffingtonposter.wordpress.com/ Forrest Grump

    Happy with the results of what? Any changes seen certainly did not come about as a result of posting people’s first names or forcing them on Facebook. It came as a result of moderating up to 90% of comments out of existence. That could have been done without the invasion of privacy demanded by the new policy. However, it would have meant investing more in moderation. Less commenters means less of everything….

    Including far less fun and dynamic conversations than what was experienced in the past. Now, most comments don’t clear moderation. Sometimes including even positive praise about the new policy! And the ones that do can take up TWO DAYS to appear!

    Oh yeah, very dynamic, Tim!

  • Canukistani

    Of course ‘moderation has become easier’, there being so little left to moderate.

  • Classical_Gas

    Will someone please tell Christina R that she may pick up her paycheck at HP’s payroll dept.? Thank you.

  • HarukoHaruhara

    Tim McDonald Jan. 13:

    “We are very happy with the results so far. Comments are
    better, commenters are more cilivil, moderation has become easier, and
    the community is very healthy. We continue to work on improvements to
    provide a great reading and commenting experience and the positive
    results are visible to anyone who visits our site today. One of our
    commenters sums up what we are seeing and hope more experience:

    “Everyone can say what they want – but I have noticed the respect
    level on comments has gone way up, and people are treating each other
    much more humanely. I am not noticing as many cheap, insulting blows to
    people….rather they are expressing opinions in a more intelligent and
    thought out manner.” – Christina R.”

    Tim McDonald — poster child for Dunning-Kruger Effect.

  • Classical_Gas

    I share that thought, Haruko.

  • HarukoHaruhara

    I don’t for an instant believe this has anything to do with trolls and trolling.

  • HarukoHaruhara

    Hai!

  • http://thehuffingtonposter.wordpress.com/ Forrest Grump

    Ah yes. Thanks for giving us yet another example of those “pathetic juvenile ad hominem attacks” that you were saying you don’t indulge in. Weird again that in one message you’re begging me to go away, and in the next one you’re telling me to stay and keep at it. You’re a very confused troll, aren’t you? Is that from the hockey stick to the head last night, or are you normally like this?

    I see by the timestamps that you’ve been on pins and needles all day, worrying what I’m gonna do to you next. Last night I emphatically exposed to the entire Disqus network what a truly dumb, racist, self-contradicting, ugly abusive troll you are. Finally, after 8 hours, you obsessively post yet another dumb response, in the hopes of doing “damage control” to the remains of what you think is your good reputation. And your best shot at that is: “Oh. Well, I’ll give him a lame “I know you are but what am I?” troll-type reply. Then everyone will see my superior intellect and integrity”.

    Tell me Hockey Troll, do you think it worked? Do you think that by ignoring everything I wrote about you last night, no one will notice the smack down you received? Do you think by just singing the theme to your favourite tv show, like you’ve just had a lobotomy, everyone will see your “superior intellect and integrity”?! Go on. Do another funny clown dance on ice, you’re very entertaining.

  • http://thehuffingtonposter.wordpress.com/ Forrest Grump

    Awww, Hockey Troll sounds upset today. Why so serious? You look like someone just knocked the wind out of your sails. Did I embarrass you more than a little? I’m sorry. I meant to do that. Funny, for a loudmouthed troll, you don’t have much to say today. But the fact that you’re still responding to every reply I made, as soon as you wake up and even 9 hours later… well. That certainly says a lot about hurt and angry you still are, doesn’t it?

    Maybe there’s a support group for stupid self-deluded trolls that you can join?

  • David Hussey

    Trollin’, trollin’, trollin, keep them Grumps a trollin’… Trollhide.

  • David Hussey

    Beat it trolly, go back to hanging out with your Realmster buddies

  • http://thehuffingtonposter.wordpress.com/ Forrest Grump

    “Of course you never bothered to look at what those responses were to.”

    ‘ He shoots…. HE MISSES! ‘

    Sure I did. The person you called a “nazi fuck” did NOT call you a “nazi fuck”. The person you called “just another racist Chicano piece of shit hiding behind their shield of colour.” did NOT call you “just another racist Chicano piece of shit hiding behind their shield of colour.”. Just like I did not call you a “douche” as you did me. (Even though anyone can see you are clearly a douche nozzle, with two tacos short of a combo plate).

    I just proved that you’re spewing B S, Hockey Troll. Score is 1 to Nothing. (You’re Nothing).

    “ Yes, I’ll admit to flinging the shit people throw at me right back at them.”

    I find it hilarious that you’re so incredibly stupid, you’re oblivious to the fact that when you, by your own dumb admission, say you “fling shit at people”, you can’t then turn around and cry:

    “WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU PEOPLE??! NOTHING BUT AD HOMINEM ATTACKS AND A REJECTION OF YOUR OWN RESPONSIBILITIES!!”

    I hate to have to inform you of this, but your foolish hypocrisy only makes you look like an even bigger tool than you normally would be perceived as being.

    “You know, if you actually had something to say on the topic you wouldn’t be getting snark.”

    LOL. Is that right? I have an entire BLOG on the topic, you deluded fool…
    thehuffingtonposter.wordpress.com

    ‘ Oh NO! Looks like Hockey Troll successfully blocked McGrumps stick with his head… but lost another point! That’s 2 − 0 for McGrump! ‘

    So it looks like you’ve been proven wrong once again, Mr. Troll. If I’m “getting snark” with you, its because you’re a nasty piece of work. As I and others have noted. Think of yourself as a mouse that I’m batting around, for sport. Until I get tired of that and eat you, that is.

    “But since your arrival on this page all you have done is talk about me. “

    ‘ Oh, no, this is not happening! It looks like Hockey Troll has stuck his entire skate into his mouth! We don’t know why! Maybe to avoid another puck to the face? Well that’s gonna make it 3 − 0 for McGrump! ‘

    So now you’ve proven you can’t see beyond the end of your nose, Hockey Troll. But anyone else can look a little further down and see I’ve been on this page for days and talked about others. I responded to 2 comments you made. But you responded with 2 comments back, all full of that hurt, anger and venom that fuels you idiot trolls, and drives you to spew your ignorant racist bile from one site to the next. According to you, that means you are “obsessed” with me. Are you seeing anyone for that?

    “I get it, you’re obsessed with me.”

    No, you don’t ever seem to “get” much of anything. Now you’re crying “obsessed”? First you tell MagnaDave you have no problem with people reading your comment history here. Then when someone does and shows everyone what a self-contradicting lunatic you are, you whine about them being “obsessed” with you. Well, you would, wouldn’t you? I mean, being a self-contradicting lunatic troll and all.

  • http://thehuffingtonposter.wordpress.com/ Forrest Grump

    The Angry Hockey Troll wrote this:

    “Oh look, you too can come along and offer nothing but cheap, petty insults. “


    But then, without a clue as to the meaning of what he just wrote, Really Angry Hockey Troll wrote this:


    “And you call me the troll, piss off douche”

    You really have no sense of self-awareness whatsoever, do you? Ask your mom to buy you a mirror. Maybe then you wouldn’t appear so clueless to the world.


    “I take it from your quotation that you took umbrage to my flinging that guys shit back in his face?”

    Now why on earth would I do that? I’m enjoying flinging your shit back into your face.

  • Sharyn

    New rules are not always good rules, Huffpo.

    “If a man makes a law and it does not prove to be mutually advantageous, then it is no longer just.”

    -Epicurus, Greek (341-270 BCE)

  • David Hussey

    Of course you never bothered to look at what those responses were to. Yes, I’ll admit to flinging the shit people throw at me right back at them.

    You know, if you actually had something to say on the topic you wouldn’t be getting snark. But since your arrival on this page all you have done is talk about me. I get it, you’re obsessed with me. Go harass someone else Trollest Grump

  • David Hussey

    Yes it was the best, but its downhill slide began well before the aol buyout. When they put moderation into the hands of roving bands of partisan fanatics the place was doomed

  • David Hussey

    Oh look, you too can come along and offer nothing but cheap, petty insults. I take it from your quotation that you took umbrage to my flinging that guys shit back in his face?

    And you call me the troll, piss off douche

  • http://thehuffingtonposter.wordpress.com/ Forrest Grump

    Hockey Troll wrote:

    “Clear enough for you? Assuming that you have the intellect to comprehend what is written…….of course.

    Now, do you have something to say about HP policies, or did you just come by to dispense some petty, personal attack?

    Speaking of “not having the intellect to comprehend what is written”… something tells me you have taken one too many hockey pucks to the head, troll. Stay off the ice and go heal somewhere.

  • http://thehuffingtonposter.wordpress.com/ Forrest Grump

    I think you need to review your own comment history, before you condescend about “the villagers of PuffPost”. Let’s start here…. Each quote is from a different comment of yours to someone on the Disqus network:


    “So what? Who cares whether some two bit, has been celebrities saw it?”

    “But we know you don’t let reality intrude upon your parroting partisan propaganda”

    “And you’re a jerk for being a jerk, an anonymous cowardly jerk at that”

    “You’ve destroyed the countries infrastructure, you’ve slaughtered its people”

    “nazi fuck”

    “I bet you don’t know a single Chinese person, do you?”

    “Sub Human? Fuck you. Just another racist piece of shit hiding behind their shield of colour. Chicano eh? You wouldn’t happen to have some conquistador’s blood running through your hypocrite veins,would you?”

    “nothing short of racist arrogance”

    Pay special attention to THESE things you said. They are known as “psychological projections”:

    “Don’t care for facing reality and truth, do you?”

    “If all you have to offer to the discussion is personal insult, take a hike. You’re the troll here so fuck off low information asshole.”

    “I should add, for your benefit as well as anyone else who wants to tell me I need to smarten up….”

    “No snark for you Geneva, I reserve that for those who question my intellect or integrity.”

    “The problem is people who are so stupid that they can’t offer anything except pathetic, juvenile personal attack.”

    “What is the matter with you people? Nothing but ad hominem attacks and a rejection of your own responsibilities.”

    You know how when you’re trying to train a puppy dog and you have to take a rolled up newspaper, shove his nose in his own crap and then hit him on the head? You might need a few more whacks, but I’m sure you’ll get it. If not, that’s ok. I’m sure nobody on Disqus minds taking whacks at you all the same.

  • fumes

    HuffPo was the best. before aol. a oh well.

  • David Hussey

    Be glad to. The worst of behavior on HP came from those who have done the most whining about “trolls”, “stalking”, “flaming”, etc, etc, etc. And now, they’re all here whining about the repercussions of their juvenile behavior.

    Clear enough for you? Assuming that you have the intellect to comprehend what is written…….of course.

    Now, do you have something to say about HP policies, or did you just come by to dispense some petty, personal attack?

  • David Hussey

    Please do, the whole point of commenting is for others to read it

  • MagnaDave

    May I suggest to anyone reading Mr. Hussey’s comment to review his comment history.

  • MagnaDave

    Please explain, in detail, what you are talking about.

    Assuming that you have any idea of what that is, of course.

  • http://thehuffingtonposter.wordpress.com/ Forrest Grump

    Congrats. I don’t know how you did it, but you’re like the only one that can get anything through on HP’s “Turning The Page” thread. They are even banning positive praise comments now.

  • Gina

    He was certainly not comparing his person to that of the Founding Fathers, but the historical importance of anonymity then to its role in a Democratic public debate on a new Medium, like the Web.

  • takawalk

    It is easy to say everybody should own their comments. It becomes much different when the person saying this is faced with full disclosure. Nothing typed on our keyboards is truly anonymous. But there should be a expectation that under most circumstances you can have a degree of privacy. There is little you can say on many topics that will not offend someone.

  • Adam G. Yoksas

    I used to post on Huffington Post. I used my real name too, because I logged on with Twitter. I always liked the diversity there and the size of the audience. But I didn’t post anymore after December 10th, because…quite frankly…the things I used to like about the community at Huffington Post just isn’t there anymore. So I never verified with Facebook.

    I still have an account, but I don’t use it to post. Maybe I’ll go verify someday, but unless they do something to bring back the passion in their discourse, I can’t see myself there. I liked the honesty I saw before. I liked the diversity I saw before. I liked the passion I saw before. I liked the depth I saw before. These days, it just seems too boring, embourgeoied, and PR-friendly to be credible.

    We handled trolls on our own; trolls who posted silly, inflammatory comments got dressed down really quickly, because the Huffington Post crowd was very intelligent and fair. I think it is a rather sorry thing, on their parts, to make a blanket assumption that we were all trolls and reprobates. We weren’t.

  • David Hussey

    Seems like the villagers of PuffPost have reaped what they have sown

  • Sharyn

    Low wifi signal-

    High happy heart signal-

    It all evens out.

  • takawalk

    Good to see you hun. It is good in my world, hope all is well in yours.

  • Sharyn

    I noticed that- isn’t that new ??

    Hi darlin! Hope you are great.

  • Sharyn

    Some people can’t cope with bullies. They are a part of human culture since it began. It’s funny how people just can’t brush it off and get over it.

    And – Hi buddy ;)

  • Sharyn

    “Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws.”
    -Socrates

  • MaudeFrickert

    Thanks for the clarification.

    (Your suspicions may be well-founded concerning my nom de clavier, young man, but I hope you’ll agree that keeping the World’s Oldest Airline Stewardess’ memory alive by any means necessary is a worthy pursuit.)

  • lars626

    I can understand that the HP has a problem.
    The part that drives me crazy is that they took the easy way out to solve it.
    Why would you select Facebook as your screening method?
    Facebook’s’ respect for my privacy rights is only slightly better than the NSA’s,
    As a result I will do what other rational, engaged and knowledgeable readers will do and stop commenting. They will be left with a higher percentage of bottom feeders.

  • F. Grump

    No prob. Just returning the favor.

  • Rick Carufel

    Gee, I wasn’t aware that Murder cases were tried in civil court, thanks for enlightening me.

  • F. Grump

    Are you kidding? The courts are now going to clog themselves up deciding cases of whether a review on Yelp is sincere or not?? Murderers will go free just because their due process time is up.

  • F. Grump

    Yes. Of course, we have no way of knowing if that was Tom Mallory. Could have been one of those trolling Tom Mallory impostors. That would make more sense actually, because the person under the Tom Mallory name said some things that would seem rather naive for the editor of an established newspaper. My money’s on a Tom Mallory impostor.

  • MagnaDave

    Says the one spewing conservative hate and vitriol.

    How ironic and hypocritical of you.

  • MagnaDave

    Maybe it was Tom Mallory. Perhaps I left him speechless.

    Mission Accomplished!

  • Rick Carufel

    The troll culture has for far too long hidden behind anonymity to shield then from legal action for their criminal activities. In the area of indie publishing they constantly stalk, bully, harass, terrorize, defame and libel authors knowing that they are shielded by an alias. They leave malicious 1-star rating and reviews for books they’ve neither bought nor read to intentionally damage sales. But that’s gonna change. A Virginia court has ruled that fake review do not offer protect under the first amendment and a victim has successfully subpoenaed Yelp to reveal the identities of 7 trolls who posted fake reviews. read it here:

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/8/court-rules-yelp-website-must-identify-seven-negat/?page=all#pagebreak

  • MagnaDave

    Hi, Bobbie! Our choices in news sources seem to decrease with each passing day. I read The Daily Mail on a daily basis and the similarities to HP are striking even though the DM has a conservative tone. Very similar formats, almost impossible to get comments posted, and I noticed that they both began featuring “sponsored content” at almost the same point in time. Even stranger, stories that appear in The Daily Mail, especially in the right-hand “fluff” column, very often appear in the Huffington Post a day or two later. Very strange, indeed.

  • Tom Mallory

    U-T San Diego gets 20,000-30,000 comments a month. That is indeed less than we had with anonymous comments, but they are, again, way better. A lot of the comments we had before did not add much to civil discourse on the issues and we don’t miss them.

  • RandomThoughts

    What people need to do is mirror the website hosted out of the country and then have a call for nobody to go to the original website. Site clicks =money . Something like the HUFF PO would fold up without the support of the online community .

    Stand up and be counted or sit and get trampled .

  • DREEN MURRAY

    Is your real name Tom Mallory? I seriously doubt it. Is it actually Thomas Mallory or what? And what is your middle name? Please post your full real name so we can look up and post various info about you — real estate records, court records, names of family members, phone numbers, etc., etc., etc.

  • jbiot

    While it may be true that most people would prefer a more civil dialogue, there is no cause and effect relationship between trolling and the absence of anonymity. And why would HP be concerned with trolling anyway? HP is troll central. Every lurid and tasteless story they run – now likely in the thousands – is designed for one thing only: to dumb you down and get to your wallet.

    HP wrote the book on trolling. Ironic, no?

    Btw, if you would care to provide evidence that there is a connection between “trolling” and anonymity, why not present it? I’d be happy to debate that point with you anytime.

    What HP did was tantamount to a suppression of free speech for a self serving end: greed, and gutless and sheared sheeplets fall in line. HP is not an online “news” journal; they are a cesspool pretending to be something else.

    Btw, dlistfan, care to post your cell #?

  • F. Grump

    You have to press down on the keyboard thingy. The rectangular piece with the cord sticking out. Otherwise it doesn’t work.

  • F. Grump

    I don’t think you’re exaggerating. I told Tom that yesterday, that I could not find *any* comments on the San Diego articles. But at least he has been successful in reducing the abusive trolls. Its just that it appears the trolls are the only ones that were interested in his news site. Kind of bittersweet. Maybe they can pull a TechCrunch and “beg the a-holes back”, as they did when they went all Facebooky on everyone and everyone left.

  • takawalk

    “We have made it easy to comment on posts, however we require civility
    and encourage full names to that end (first initial, last name is OK” Poynter

  • Classical_Gas

    Yes, but I’d like to see that responsibility and accountability from HP. The commenters were just fine, for the most part.

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  • DREEN MURRAY

    The comment posted by user “Tom Mallory” is extremely misleading because it does not mention the fact that, since U-T San Diego implemented its real-name policy, the amount of comments on its website has dropped to almost zero. If you think I’m exaggerating, take a look:
    http://www.utsandiego.com

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  • F. Grump

    I’ve never been to San Diego. Are the people in San Diego too dumb to realize they can fake a name on Facebook? Because there are no shortage of people on HP who did just that. HP did not combat trolls because of Facebook. They did so because of “stepped-up moderation”. Sounds like that’s your case as well.

  • F. Grump

    I don’t see *any* comments on the news articles I checked on your site. Congratulations, you’ve eliminated the trolls. And everyone else.

  • F. Grump

    Great, so you’ve established for us that you are both abuser and protector of abusers, by posting under a fake name. So why are you pretending to speak for the civils?

  • gmb007

    Yeah, Linds, you gotta wonder if JTNF thinks HP is so delightful, why’s he now over at ET blogging? LOL

    (Hint: that’s where his audience went. lol)

  • Nancy Weaver

    I’ll stop by to say hello soon. I miss you guys. But I’m working on something right now …. Love, DW

  • Intolerantcentrist

    HP’s policy is the result of a financial agreement with Facebook. Ridding the internet of “trolls” was the excuse, not the reason for this policy. Consider viewing this policy in light commercial agreement, not internet civility.

  • Classical_Gas

    I’m so glad to see you here, DW, out from under the thumb of HP! Please do stop by at Jacks – other friends have been looking for you! :-D

  • Designs By Bobbie (still)

    I am beginning to think that HP really doesn’t want any comments. They are linked to AOL home page. Almost every story on there leads you into HP. Maybe they make enough for the advertisers just from the clicks! AOL used to have about 8 top stories. Now they always have 30-50. I doubt anyone really goes to all of them, but it takes forever just to go through them. So imagine, all the members that AOL has, me being one of them, see that homepage first. Thousands of clicks a day on many stories. Companies with ads, are happy. Hi Dave.

  • MagnaDave

    Please post a picture of your driver;s license so we may be assured that you are the real “Tom Mallory.” Oh, wait, that won’t work because, “real” name or not, you are a complete stranger to all of us posting here.
    Not much different than if you posted under the name Jjhbjk Ujkhvhklv.

  • MagnaDave

    Does HP pay its moderators based on how many comments they reject? If so, I imagine that most of them are now millionaires. That would explain why so many innocuous comments are rejected for reasons that clearly do not violate any of the TOS. And yes, a comment section relatively devoid of comments, of any kind, naturally will have fewer derogatory comments.

    Moderation at HP has been, quite literally, a joke but no-one is laughing, least of all people like me, who struggled to understand why comments were rejected. No bad language, no personal attacks, entirely on topic, and still rejected without reason, explanation, or even an indication of which comment was removed, much less why. The only people that seem completely unbound by the TOS are the moderators themselves. It could not be more apparent that being a moderator is a license to reject comments for literally any reason imaginable from political bias to a personal dislike of the person commenting. There can be no other explanation. Moderators are obviously not checked to see if they are doing the duties in a fair and balanced way. HP’s comment sections are full of complaints from every political faction, every ideology, and every walk of life, all asking the inevitable question: “Why aren’t my comments going through?” Taking the time to email HP to ask for reasons results in either a boilerplate reply of “You must have violated the TOS” or no response at all.

    For reasons that only HP knows, people who try, most often in vain, to comment on its site are viewed as antagonists. To their credit, many people, including me, made every effort to comment on HP despite all the numerous and unexplainable obstacles placed in our way. Not because of of an unrequited love for HP, but because of the community there, a community which, again, for entirely unexplainable reasons, HP has seen fit to willingly and wantonly destroy. We should have received the message from the moderators, who made commenting there (or, should I say, attempting to comment there) an almost Herculean task, the adoption of an almost universally reviled comment format (which increases clicks, by the way), and the ever-declining quality of articles posted there (the most repulsive being “Robotic Handjobs are the Future, and the Future is Coming,” content which HP apparently paid for). But, trust me, we all got the message loud and clear when HP lied to us and, not only did not grandfather us in, but made the policy change without warning on a Tuesday in the middle of December. That particular “middle finger” came through loud and clear and made it obvious what HP thinks of the pesky people who have the utter audacity to attempt to comment there.

    HP may have reduced “nasty” comments to some degree, but it lost far more intelligent, witty, interesting, and relevant comments. Was it worth it?

  • MagnaDave

    Just curious: Many people currently commenting on HP have created fake names that were “verified” through FB and there is still a large quantity of comments lacking civility there. How does that deserve applause? Apparently, the “shield” is full of gaping holes.

    But, thank you for the lesson in hypocrisy evidenced by your support of a policy in which you do not participate unless, of course, “dlistfan” is your real name.

  • geezer 56

    I completely agree about the repulsive comments on articles about tragedies. HP had a solution to that–of sorts–which was to designate certain stories as being of a “sensitive nature” and to delay posts until they had a chance to be moderated. But HP took it a step further, even before they brought down the Facebook requirement. Virtually every article that could be expected to generate controversy is deemed sensitive. It creates an enormous amount of frustration when completely innocuous comments are delayed for hours (or days!), or even vaporized outright. HP treats their commenters as if they’re all dimwitted nuisances, and some of their commenters tended to follow suit. In other words, HP had a huge role in creating the problem in the first place.

    So glad to hear your publication took Facebook privacy seriously, though. I just hope all your commenters paid proper attention.

  • AskandTell

    There is a difference between HP’s change; comments were already moderated by artificial intelligence software and live moderators and SignOnSanDiego which, from the article, appears to have been a free for all with no moderation.

    Many have observed in the past two weeks comments being deleted by moderators. These comments ranged from questioning Facebook privacy, data brokering, to the hypocrisy of “fake names” being used when creating Facebook accounts. This type of censorship is more in line with Chinese state-sponsored media.

  • Tom Mallory

    I wish I could say yes but I think the nasty atmosphere of anonymity discouraged a lot of such people from getting involved.
    The worst of it was having to apologize to grieving families for hurtful thins posted anonymously on stories about their loved ones’ untimely deaths.
    Yes, we did provide links and assistance to users on how to ratchet down their privacy settings. And we are continuing to evaluate other commenting platforms.
    We’re a regional news source, not exactly akin to HP. I can just say that what used to be a really big problem for us is no longer even an issue, and that’s thanks to a real name policy and stepped-up moderation.

  • Lindstr7

    That’s funny. Most people from HP who’ve moved to ET knew how to handle the trolls and some even made sport of it. Making people comment under their real names really puts a damper on a free flow exchange imo. Thanks for the link.

  • Lindstr7

    Good! Glad to hear it. I think the guy’s an @ss. The gall of him to come in here and expect us to promote/comment on his blog when he’s made his disdain for us clear. He thinks he’s being Socratic when he’s really just being a jerk lol. Would MUCH rather see ForrestG blog here because he has made so many good points about our eroding privacy (and so eloquently too!) Good to see you gmb!

  • geezer 56

    HP ostensibly took this measure to foster more civil dialogue online. I’m not buying it. HP contributes to combative discussions by posting salacious and inflammatory headlines, and then they expect their commenters to behave like Sunday school teachers? I don’t think so. And unfortunately, what they’ve done is expose their commenters to real-world risks that are far more troubling than reading trolly vitriol on the Internet.

  • geezer 56

    Do you miss the diversity of comments you might otherwise have–for instance, input from crime victims, political staffers, and anyone who fears that their job or future employment could be jeopardized if their opinions or personal details could be instantly linked to them–for all time–by anyone with Google? (In other words, the very people who could be expected to contribute the most thoughtful and informed comments to a discussion?) Also, did your publication give detailed instructions to commenters about how to lock down their privacy settings on Facebook so that their personal details wouldn’t be available to every Tom, Dick, and Harry who might go postal about a difference of opinion? HP didn’t. Nor did they stop to consider the fact that they’ve effectively stifled commenters from countries where their government can actually imprison them for voicing the wrong opinion. HPs solution to trolling is far, far worse than the problem they say they’re trying to solve. Personally, I’m not buying it, and I think it’s a tragedy waiting to happen.

  • Tom Mallory

    At U-T San Diego, we wrote a story about the anonymous commenting community that we gave up when we went to real-name comments. http://goo.gl/2hEVWz
    Our site, at the time, was known as SignOnSanDiego. The disgruntled exiles set up a site to continue their anonymous Disqussion, calling it SignedOffSanDiego (now defunct).
    They missed one guy they all liked to bash on for his critical-of-cops views, so they reached out to him and invited him on board, then happily resumed whomping on him until he went away.

  • dlistfan

    I applaud Huffington Post for taking this measure, which is an important step in shaping more civil dialogue. Anonymity has been the abuser’s friend and shield. Regardless of what the commenters in this thread say, most people want to see more online responsibility and accountability, not less.

  • Tom Mallory

    Of course. I work at U-T San Diego, the news source formerly known as the Union-Tribune.
    But I suspect you might not be the real Maude Frickert. http://goo.gl/XNXBdr

  • MaudeFrickert

    With respect, would you please satisfy my curiosity and identify the website you are referring to when you state that “Going to real names via Facebook instantly improved the tone and content of our comments?” Thanks!

  • Nancy Weaver

    Very well stated, CG, my old friend. It is good to see you. DW

  • deacc

    Left HP the day they want me to link to FB and have not look back. I can read news elsewhere and it is a breath of fresh air not to have Liberal views shove down my throat at every corner.

  • http://www.zito.biz/fuckyou Andrew Stergiou

    OH for the record the Huffington Pst censored my reply in that I stated:

    OPEN LETTER TO BARBARA ORTUTAY

    Re her article How Sites Like YouTube Are Combating Nasty Commenters

    BARBARA ORTUTAY only began writing online in any grand manner after it was invaded and taken over by the corporate giants some of who she mentioned, and though I can sympathize with some of what she said the facts of the matter are that she and her corporate employers and their governments created these entities of trolling. That most trolls today are government and corporate inspired online thugs used to shut the opposition while privileged hacks such as she are paid and given a free rein to do as they like regardless of weither they are true or false.

    I find BARBARA ORTUTAY the most deceitful as she over looks the government inspired and corporate thugs online from the USA in its use of the military and and China. So Ms BARBARA ORTUTAY can blow it out her ears rather than at the public.

  • http://www.zito.biz/fuckyou Andrew Stergiou

    Just one question when America arrests those who have opinions which side would the Huffington Post be on?

  • gmb007

    The guy’s a total piece of work, ain’t he?

    Yeah, name/avatar changes are fine but his change of name/avatar was slimy.

    He ditched “White Radical Blogger” to hide his rabid racism behind the more ‘socially acceptable’ “LeftisConservative”.

    Just another punk.

  • elnura

    My understanding of the situation is HP invited trolls onto the site for a number of reasons. The number of hits a site receives generates revenue. How I can’t quite figure that out. The trolls were so aggressive, offensive and blatant liars on many topics people were compelled to rely to them even it it was just one word. One word is one hit. Numbers go up. Next I read the trolls were encouraged to be on the site because AH felt there were not enough people opposing President Obama so the trolls were, I believed hired to write comments disparaging and demeaning to President Obama. AH felt it was her responsibility to do this and if you recall she supported the President but if you read any of the articles she wrote about him you’d just scratch your head because with supportive friends like AH you didn’t need any enemies.

    I think what happened with the trolls is the same thing that happened between the Republican Party and the Tea Baggers. They were fine when they followed AH directives and created the type of chaos she wanted but than they, like the Tea Baggers took on a life of their own and could not be controlled. The only way to stop them was to cut them out. Using the convenient problem they looked at their profits, didn’t like what they saw and found another possible revenue stream by linking HP accounts to FB under the guise of troll control, thinking a lot of people on HP have FB so what could go wrong? They obviously did not know their audience.

  • gmb007

    I totally agree, Linds. Forrest Grump would be an outstanding ET blogger!

    I will not be going out of my way to read JTNF’s stories.

  • F. Grump

    Great points.

  • elnura

    The Video-BRAVO!

  • F. Grump

    I assume you’re talking about the San Diego Free Press. Otherwise, it sounds like you’re with Poynter. I have a cell phone, name and location verified with Facebook. They were all faked. Which begs the question; why are you not aware of the fact that any Tom, Dick, Harry or Fred can fake a name with Facebook?

    Perhaps you need a bit of enlightenment. Read my article here:
    http://thehuffingtonposter.wordpress.com/2014/01/09/identity-exposure-vs-anonymity/

    You wanna talk “horrible hate speech”? In it, I visit the fact that people have put up hate pages on other people on Facebook, which has caused them to kill themselves.

  • Sharyn

    I love the same and avatar- oh my! I’m laughing.

  • Tom Mallory

    That’s because the authors did not want to be hanged as traitors. One hardly faces that risk in making a comment.

  • Tom Mallory

    Going to real names via Facebook instantly improved the tone and content of our comments, moving them from the digital version of a dark alley into the public square.
    We still have problems, but we no longer live with this huge volume of horrible hate speech, invective and just plain hurtful meanness tarnishing our daily report.
    We also spend a lot on moderation. We believe it’s mandatory. Saying “We have anonymous comments, and, yes, they’re dreadful, but we don’t have enough people to handle them,” is really a major cop out.

  • OnyxE

    First freedom of expression is not given. It is a right no matter what my name is. Neither should I have to ‘stand up’ for every idea I express. How do you share ideas and opinions and have the ability to learn and change your mind if you have to ‘stand up for what you say’? See how that works?

  • MaudeFrickert

    “I feel that freedom of expression is given to people who stand up for what they say and [are] not hiding behind anonymity.”

    Excuse me, madam, but if that’s the way you feel, why did you allow anonymous commenting on your site in the first (expletive reluctantly omitted) place?

  • burnetta

    I absolutely refuse to use Facebook for personal use and furthermore expose my political opinions through. I only have a Facebook account for my small business so clients could find me once I established myself in 07.” I have many clients who’s political leanings are fervently across the isle and we keep our opinions mostly to ourselves.
    I feel a sense of intrusion by any site that will expose my political opinions to them which means Huff Po lost me forever. Our debates in comments are what made that site interesting besides the fact they seemingly Monitored the heck out of every post!
    Another one bites the dust.

  • Sharyn

    Too funny.

  • estfar

    I left because we don’t live in an environment where saying what you really feel won’t hurt you. The fact is that employers can punish. We don’t live in a free society really/

  • Focuspuller

    Forcing commenters into the privacy-sucking Facebook was enough for me to leave HuffPost. I certainly do acknowledge the idiot troll problem. My suggestion that they simply require real names with some verification and within HuffPost went unanswered. So far I’m not missing HuffPost’s deceptive and unprofessional headlines or the latest Kardashian news.

  • Lindstr7

    Maybe you can put JoetheNerdFerraro under the same microscope. He’s decided ET was worthy of his blog after all his criticism of this group. Not sure why anyone here would support him after he’s made it clear he is disdainful of those who want to keep their privacy. I’ve seen so many good writers on here. Forrest Grump would make a better blogger imo.

  • TL Dragon

    Huffpo’s demise is something to cheer for not fret about.

  • Hotspaghetti

    Already posting on my dual FB account verified with my magic box number. :)

  • F. Grump

    Actually, I was talking about “CrazyPerson’s” comment. But yeah, now that you mention it… it is a heck of a coincidence that your Socrates comment also appeared on HP’s Turning The Page thread. Uh…. “great minds think alike”?? :) I did think of putting your name at the end of that comment but…. you know how jealous JuLia gets. If she thought I was out gallavanting with other women, she’d rip my comment to shreds. I got your credit for the quote in after the fact, in a kind of backhanded way. Said you were my history teacher. Well… its kind of true…

  • F. Grump

    “Total name/avatar change. Highly suspicious.”

    Not really. I’ve changed my name and avatar many times on HP. Just because I thought of something better. That’s no reason to condemn someone. However… *this* might be:

    “And now the media begins its Most Holy Day of Mourning for Mandela, who never affected americans, but the media is cramming him down our throat as a Demi-God. All Must Bow Down To The Most Sacred Nonwhite! Look at how the media is treating this–like GOD HIMSELF died. Why is that?”- Leftisconservative Blog

    “Gay rights, transgender issues being used to distract away from other issues” – Leftisconservative Blog

    “Nonwhites are being encouraged to push their way into the workplace, and the white male is being held up for ridicule. This is all part of Capital’s war against Labor.” – Leftisconservative Blog

    “This punk zillionaire zuckerberg is using his wealth to advocate for bringing in more cheap foreign labor, especially programmers. I say indict and try and convict this punk for treason.And then hang that mutha from a long rope. Public hanging is what he needs. I am not advocating illegal action here. Do it by rule of law. But hang that punk.” – Leftisconservative Blog

    Honestly, I had no idea they brought back public hanging as a “rule of law”, in the U.S. According to his blog, “Leftisconservative” née “Whiteradical” appears to hate blacks, gays and Jews, with roughly equal venom. Which begs the question… has Stormfront filled their quota or something?

  • Sharyn

    Ooooooh!!!! Good one.

  • Sharyn

    Ha ha! It’s a good thing you didnt put my name on it, they’d have banned you.

    I bet if you put a comment on there that just read “Sharyn G.” They’d scrub it.

  • Sharyn

    Add that to the top of the old list, yeah.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    The sole thing she is a victim of is delusions of adequacy.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    I think he’s a relative of Timmeh’s – along with Mike Litoris.

  • Classical_Gas

    @Sam Kirkland – Thank you so much for staying with this story. I know that we who have left that site feel used and insulted by the treatment we received from HP, and I appreciate your comment regarding the lack of respect we were granted.

    I think that the bigger story underlying HP’s and others’ actions is the trend towards doing away with anonymity on the web. I do see that as a threat to our rights, and to our democracy. It’s the online version of “free speech zones”, and I protest this.

    Any system is open to abuse, and the internet is wide open in this respect. That is simply a fact of life, and is present in all aspects. This knee-jerk reaction to the trolling problem is counter-productive and dangerous, but a rational solution would require far more thought than the PTB seem willing to put into it. I also suspect it’s a cover story – but that’s another subject entirely.

    AOL/HP is setting a very bad precedent, in collusion with FB, and the public needs to understand what is at stake. Our rights to privacy and free speech are being sold to the highest bidder. This is a discussion we need to have.

  • geezer 56

    Of course not. Not even when lawyers get involved, as witnessed by one commenter who was stalked via HP years ago (he hacked HP’s system) and made her life a living hell until she lawyered up, which finally made HP take action. This same woman applied for an anonymous account after Dec. 10, citing her history, and was denied. The disdain HP has for its users is appalling, and the people who are supporting HP’s policy cannot or will not understand its ramifications. Yesterday I saw a guy comment on this issue elsewhere, saying that he laughs at people who fear for their privacy because nothing’s ever happened to him–as if that should make everyone else rest easy.

  • HarukoHaruhara

    Maybe, maybe not.

    They dumped their badges program as a mistake.

  • HamletsMill

    When I thought you were female when I read your post back to me I had completely forgotten I had said I would “light a candle” for you. At first when I read that you as a woman (as i wrongfully thought!) were saying you had “success with a candle and had reached 10″ I took it in a totally risque way. That was the tasteless joke I was making!

  • HamletsMill

    It was in wee hours of the morning on my second try from an apparently unproofed version after the first proofed upload failed and I had to do it all over again. But even with the five typos, I got the timing just right when the Fuhrer goes into full tilt foaming rage about the endless HP “twerking” articles!

    Notice how the crescendo is perfect at the scene cut! Absolute perfection there!! Hollywood could not have done it better at that moment of full rage!

  • Won Word

    …and YOU are elevating a group of men to the level of “deity” or mythological hero.

    Sorry, they did a great many things, but they certainly weren’t perfect or better than anyone else. Some of them were drunks; some womanizers; some lied, cheated and stole; and some were even cowards at times. So what?

  • Sharyn

    Or Hugh Jass?

  • Sharyn

    Is there anyone named Mike Hunt?

  • Sharyn

    With huffpo’s new comment system you can pick any commenter and google their name and see where they live, work, went to school, their kids’ photos, where they live, etc.

    I tried it on a lady poster and ended up right on her FB page. She even had directions to her house. She should know that anyone can see that- but she is TRUSTING HUFFPO AND FACEBOOK.

    The ability to do this NEEDS TO BE OUTED so that it can be reeled back in. I picked 7 commenters on an article at Huffpo and I actually found three of them for sure in FB. The photos matched and everything.

    I don’t think they KNOW that that is possible. They SHOULD know.

    No news outlet can do the story, they’d probably get sued. We must tell it.

  • Sharyn

    The NSA is jealous.

  • Sharyn

    Best vid ever. ;)

  • Sharyn

    Ha ha ha!

  • Sarah Sahasbeen

    Was he the one who listed himself as Joe Bleaux?

  • Sharyn

    These people ! All they want is people to go read their blogs ha ha!

  • Sharyn

    That’s exactly why I tweeted this very sentiment to Ariana herself:

    @ariannahuff “Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws.”
    -Socrates
    12:36pm – 6 Jan 14

    Still no reply–

  • Sharyn

    She’s got some serious paranoia.

    As if anyone can just make all the big bad bullies go away.

    She’s a victim of magical thinking.

  • Sharyn

    We were all eventually banned for voicing our opinions, too.

    They couldn’t deal with us being honest.

  • Sarah Sahasbeen

    Now you’ve got me confused. ???

  • gmb007

    He removed his blog at whiteradical.blogspot.com.

    LOL

    Now we’re supposed to believe he’s not a white radical.

  • gmb007

    Total name/avatar change. Highly suspicious.

    Chicken#### if you ask me.

    Kinda how Arianna “switched” party allegiance. ha ha

    Leftist_Conservative will forever be known as White Radical Blogger.

  • takawalk

    WND get your fake news here.

  • Sharyn

    Thank you.

    I am also a naive person who is too trusting of things.

    I really doubt those people have any idea that their accounts are so open and no news site could break the story without being sued.

    If we don’t expose it, I fear that bad people will, and possibly to financial or other harm to the people who are at risk.

  • takawalk

    Very good.

  • apogee2perogee

    Precisely.

  • HamletsMill

    Now that AskandTell has informed me that you are male and that the “Sarah” is a political statement on you know who, please disregard my completely tasteless “candle” joke the other day! Regardless, I still will be praying for every success in your endeavors!

  • Sarah Sahasbeen

    Dan – Glad to see you took the time to come back and respond. I just want you to know that we all are really concerned about where the new lack of anonymity is headed and not just on the Internet. Your original comment did seem to support BruceTheBlog.

    Please don’t take offense at this, I really am trying to offer some constructive criticism. You really need to go on a diet and hit the gym once in a while. That picture of when you joined the Spokane-Register – wow! If you’re carrying around as much weight on the rest of your body as your are in your cheeks, you will be developing all sorts of health problems as well as cutting your life short. See how easy it is to find out information on someone? If you are against people losing their anonymity, talk to the people in charge at your paper, ask them to link it to major news organizations before we all are doomed.

  • Leslie (eserafina42)

    Actually, what he’s saying is that if EVEN the Founders (many of whom were very well off) felt that they needed it, how much more do we poor schmucks in the 99%.

  • Leslie (eserafina42)

    “Why not communicate big changes transparently and in advance to minimize
    backlash and afford readers — in this case readers who helped build
    HuffPost into the media behemoth that it is today — a little more
    respect?”
    ___

    You know why? This is evidently a lesson they learned after first announcing the policy back in August and receiving a ton of backlash on the site. The solution was to suppress dissent in advance by announcing it at the same time it went into effect, thereby preventing anyone who refused to follow the new policy from registering their opinion about it. Several brave souls did venture into the FB/HP muck to make their opinions known, but I wasn’t one of them.

  • Sarah Sahasbeen

    Thanks. I do what I can.

  • Erik Pye

    Wow does anybody have any idea what freedom looks like anymore?

  • http://www.dangayle.com/ Dan Gayle

    I don’t disagree with you. But but do you think that the HP would ever publicly fess up to such a decision as being a mistake?

  • http://www.dangayle.com/ Dan Gayle

    This is one of the few cogent arguments I’ve seen here. The picture you’re explaining is indeed scary.

  • http://www.dangayle.com/ Dan Gayle

    I don’t disagree with you.

  • F. Grump

    Some rat stole your comment, *word for word* and posted it on HP. I guess that goes to show, you never know what kind of crazy person is gonna do what, on this internet thing.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    Not interested in being led on a merry chase to a blog. Just asked a simple question. If you’ve no wish to answer it, that’s fine. And I see you’ve changed your name anyway. Just as well.

  • OooShiny

    Now that’s some industrial-grade trolling right there. Got an avatar and spelling and everything. At least you put some back into digging that troll hole, instead of just grunting ‘libtards suk.’

  • OooShiny

    Thanks for the tip! Much appreciated.

  • OnyxE

    In reality HP lost a lot of people who didn’t want to sell out all their FB friends and they got a lot of people who created fake FB accounts with no friends and nothing on it that they never use. And a lot of people use ad blockers. I think when NBC or whoever doesn’t get the results they expected for their premium ad dollars they will stop their HP ads. The smoke and mirrors only last so long.

  • MommaObama

    Yet they keep their liberal commenters and encourage them to spew such hate and vitriol in an effort to advance their liberal and unwanted agenda across America.

  • RockyMissouri

    Good to see YOU…!!

  • Classical_Gas

    Try adding Flashblock – should take care of that.

  • CrazyPerson

    This will be the biggest backfire in the entire history of the Internet. It will cause everybody to hate both the Huffington Post and Facebook.

  • MagnaDave

    It a whole ‘nother world over there. Disagree with the right-wing rhetoric and you’re labeled a troll and relentlessly hounded. They are a few good people there but there seems to be a group that hounds everyone who dares to disagree. It was fun for a while getting them riled up but it grew old pretty quickly. I also tried to have some debates with them like I did with some of the conservatives on HP but they seemed to want no part of it.

  • OooShiny

    I tried AdBlock but found I still had to wait and wait and wait for flash ads to finish rolling before taking me down the page where my link was supposed to direct me. The ad space itself was blank, but the time I had to wait was still there. Grrrr!

    WND is indeed a night that’s dark and full of terrors. It’s no place for children, small animals or the feeble such as myself.

    I wasn’t aware until yesterday that National Review’s scholarly commentary was actually an unbridled troll-fest of poop-flinging monkey butts. Had to Clorox my eyes after that lovely interlude.

  • CrazyPerson

    The new Huffington Post policy is so delightful! Now I and all of the other commenters will have the delight of revealing our real names and every detail of our lives to the entire world! And the best thing about it is that all of the other commenters will be stupid people just like me!

  • OooShiny

    Sherlock Holmes could learn a thing or three from thee!

    Nicely done, madam; very nicely done.

  • http://leftistconservative.blogspot.com/ Leftist_Conservative

    there is a link to my blog in my profile…it’s all there…read to your heart’s content!

  • CrazyPerson

    BREAKING NEWS

    Arianna Huffington has announced that she will run for President of the United States in 2016. Her campaign slogan will be “Destroy the trolls that are hiding under every bed!”.

  • MagnaDave

    I actually used AdBlock Plus and/or Remove It Permanently to completely ban Newsmax from my browser for eternity. Just looking at their garbage posing as news (which they seemed to insert at the bottom of every article on every website) angered me to no end.

    When anyone mentioned Newsmax on HP I would just reply…

    “Newsmax, lol.” Other posters weren’t quite so kind.

    I’m afraid of WND. I spent some time on National Review Online and couldn’t take it. I’m not ready for WND.

    The Daily Mail is about all I can handle.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    As long as “avatar” (with, you guessed it, NO avatar! whodathunk?) continues to fave my (unspecified) “comment” with the same loyal and unstinting regularity as currently happens now, I’ll be happy as a clam!

  • MagnaDave

    LOL! Well, “Joe Blow” got through…

    As long as you tell them about how your sister/friend/aunt/cousin/dog makes $500 an hour working on her/his/her/his/its computer from home, you should be fine.

  • OooShiny

    Yo RockyMo! Nice to see you here!

  • geezer 56

    Exactly. They traded trolls and threats for trolls and the threat of actual violence.

  • OooShiny

    I absolutely positively refuse to read any site with auto-play ANYthing.

    When I land on a news or blog site, the very second I hear the first squawk of an auto-play commercial or even a real video clip, I just shut that whole thing down.

    I wrote to DailyMail twice explaining the real-dollar consequences their massively annoying and intrusive auto-play habit. There must have been mountains of complaints besides mine, as a couple months later that ‘TCU Sports News’ nightmare of a widget still auto-played video, but auto-MUTED the sound, which is wonderful.

  • Designs By Bobbie (still)

    Excellent my friend…….. you should write for huffpo,

    Really Dave, you about covered it all. Nicely put and to the REAL point. It’s like they turned it over to the trolls, and got rid of anyone who posted sensible or thought provoking comments. I still miss many friends, but, not enough to bow down to them trying to steal our privacy. I haven’t been in the phone book for over 30 years because of the job I retired from. I certainly would not give up my privacy to have my comments held hostage for hours, days, sometimes forever! Not worth it to me. The posters I seen there after the 10th, gave nothing to the conversation, not even a complete thought. I guess they make Arianna feel right at home!

  • CrazyPerson

    Heil Huffler!

  • geezer 56

    Dave, you crack me up. :)

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    I do so want to re-register there as something like “Kym Karrdashian” or “Tim E McDonaldo” or even “Ari A. NaHuff”…

  • MagnaDave

    Interestingly, that brings up another issue. What if one were to inadvertently choose the name of an “innocent” person and bring a “troll’s” wrath upon them?

    The policy stinks on SO many levels.

  • OooShiny

    HP is late to the game of ads-as-news.

    WND is diabolically deceptive in their practice of making ads look just like links to real content. In every group of main-page links to articles deeper within, there is always, and I do mean always, an identically-formatted link that goes directly to ads.

    Newsmax does the same inside their widget spawned to various other sites including Raw Story. It looks reads exactly like this, right now, in the right margin of Raw Story’s individual articles:

    (Sponsored links)
    NEWSMAX HEADLINES:
    Rove: Obama Admits Failure With Benefits Plea
    Dennis Rodman Goes Ballistic on CNN
    Limbaugh: Polar Vortex Is ‘Liberal Media Hoax’
    New Vitamin May Lower Blood Pressure Dramatically
    Breakthrough Diet Aids Take Country by Storm
    Popular TV Doctor Recommends This Antioxidant

    Sneaky, ain’t it?

  • MagnaDave

    LOL! You’re the best!

  • CrazyPerson

    The most deceptive trick of all is using a phony name that looks like a real name. And that trick is especially deceptive when it is done on a website — such as the Huffington Post — that vouches for the authenticity of all of the names. In other words, the new real-name policy at the Huffington Post ironically creates the perfect environment for the ultimate deception.

  • http://is.gd/dFTlUQ RF Dude

    Interesting. I take it that your newspaper is the Spokesman-Review?

    If so, then the following quote from the NPR article shows that at least David Olivera, the person running the Spokesman-Review blog, understands the problem:

    “If his (David Olivera) bosses at the Spokesman-Review required real names,
    he says, it would kill his blog — and deprive the community of a crucial forum.

    But Oliveria also acknowledges he can only keep that discussion constructive by spending a lot of time monitoring it, and blocking the trolls.”

    The problem of anonymity is not, nor ever has been, anonymity itself. As
    the NPR article points out, without anonymity then opinions expressed in
    the small community that the Spokesman-Review serves could not be expressed in a public forum. This eliminates an important venue where people can
    speak their minds on community topics.

    Anonymity is critical to the success of that, and any other, comment blog for many reasons including the one given by Mr. Olivera.

    The problem, as the second paragraph in the quote points out, is proper (or improper) moderation. Comments must be moderated fairly, it is a full-time job on a busy comment forum, and if it is not done properly with well-trained people
    then yes – a comment forum will have problems.

    The comment forum at Huffington Post has a long history of ineffective and poorly applied moderation. Huffington Post has not invested in the people and training necessary to properly moderate the number of comments that it receives daily.

    Instead, HP has shifted the burden of ‘proving’ that a person is using their ‘real name’ to the users in an attempt to bypass the necessary investment. This experiment is so far proving to be less than successful, hence the ‘verified’ names you will see in the threads such as “Al Dente” or “Thaddeus Coquehammer” to name just two.

    You are proud of posting using your ‘real name’, but it is a fact that anybody can open an account with any ‘real name’ they wish. Even yours. Those who insist on ignoring this fact (and I am not saying that you do) will drive the comment threads into oblivion.

    This is what we are talking about here. This group has been discussing this topic for months – much of it on other sites and other stories.

    What you see here is a reaction to an inflammatory drive-by poster (BloggerBob or whatever his screenname is) who wanted nothing more than to thumb his (or her) nose at this topic, this forum, and the people in it. In other words, a troll.

    The real question is to what lengths the owner of any comment forum is willing to go to protect a) the people in the forum and b) the forum itself. If this question has not been studied and answered, if the owner is not willing to invest resources in adequate and proper moderation, if the owner is not willing to go to the mats to protect the privacy of the commenters in the forum – then perhaps that owner is foolish for opening a comment forum in the first place.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    Ah, but I forgot to mention quantities of eyes are important as well. People get tired very quickly of clickety-clicking, and of auto-start ads, cascading ads and so on. People may come to look at HP without bothering to register, or may de-link themselves from their FB-HP connection very quickly if the experience is tiresome (which it is now, in the extreme, right out of the gate). I don’t think they’re going to enjoy an increase in registered, real viewers/readers. In fact I predict the reverse.

  • OooShiny

    When your bread and butter is made by attracting the masses, even finding buyers of humble kitty litter can be worth piles of cash.

  • MagnaDave

    Thank you for the informative reply.What galls me is that HP won’t “come clean” and admit to any of that. I have also seen “Promoted Content” on HP as of late interestingly, previously labeled as “Sponsored Content.” HP has also announced the formation of a new sales team dedicated to informing advertisers of HP’s new-found ability to create advertising disguised as news articles. In fact, they were quoted as saying something to the effect that advertisers looking for “blue-collar” customers should look elsewhere.

    That is one of the things that angers HP’s former (and, hopefully, current) readership so much. They have made these changes to change their readership and commenting demographics for their own financial benefit but have claimed that the changes were necessary because we basically brought them upon ourselves. That is disingenuous, unfair, and patently dishonest.

  • OooShiny

    I know nuh-TINGK!!

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    That will depend on how many people continue to consult HP without much fuss over trying to comment, and more specifically, the audience demographics and buying power of those who remain. I don’t think it will take too many in-depth INDEPENDENT audits to show that HP’s remaining (and I would guess transitory) audience is not composed of the high buying-power earners they would prefer to have perusing their pages.

  • OooShiny

    What’s in it for HP-FB?

    Let’s say you’re HuffPo, and NBC and wants to advertise their new series Chicago PD at your site, just like the banner ad running throughout HP right now.

    Now, back when commenters were mostly anonymous, you charged NBC one coin to advertise across the board.

    But now you have real identities linked to full profiles on Facebook with mountains of delicious demographic data for targeted advertising. You know thousands of posters’ ages, cities, marital status, child status, employment, religion and politics; data which simple algorithms can calculate estimated wealth and buying habits of every commenter. You’re sitting on untapped marketing gold.

    Would you continue charging NBC the old anonymous price for your new laser-targeted access to the eyes of thousands of real-identity and real-profiled commenters?

    Or would you now charge NBC premium ad rates for data worth 10 times more than the old anonymous mass-presence?

    Would you now charge enough for targeted ads to make up for lost anonymous commenters so they’re not even missed? And when the complaints flood in, would you defend your actions by claiming it’s to ‘elevate the debate’?

    I can only speculate as to HP-FBs motives, but I do know corporations will sell their children for access to targeted demographics.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    In what sense exactly do you describe yourself as a “white radical”? Genuinely curious. Is there a racial element to that moniker?

  • gmb007

    What do you mean “my” newspaper? Are you employed at NPR?

  • http://whiteradical.blogspot.com/ white radical blogger

    advertisers don’t want the truth out there about anything, including politics and the american scam in general

  • MagnaDave

    You inspired me, my friend.

  • Canukistani

    Bravo, I say! You have encapsulated the truth of this concisely.

  • MagnaDave

    Ve half vays ov making you talk!

  • MagnaDave

    What they really meant to say…

    “As we have stated in the past, in various ways and at various times, we are unable or unwilling to effectively moderate our comment section. Even rejecting or deleting up to 90% of the posts submitted has proven to be far too burdensome for us. No matter what we do, we still see comments get by that we don’t like. Some even have the audacity to disagree with the content of our articles or our stated political or ideological beliefs. This often leads to disgagreements or even (GASP!) name-calling in our threads which offend not only us but our readers with more delicate sensibilities who expected some sort of commenting nirvana. We are well awarer that these things never happen in the real world, only in comment sections, and we are determined to put an end to it.

    To that end, we have decided to let “trolls,” the angry, sometimes unbalanced people among you (who we claim to despise) do our moderating for us. To make it easier for them and increase their effectiveness we have decided to furnish them with your real names.With a little bit of effort, they will be able to determine your home address, your place of business, your friends’ and family members’ names, and any other information that they may need to inform you that your comment was unacceptable to them.

    To avoid getting an unexpected visit from our new and determined Moderation Team, may we recommend the following:

    1) Do not post anything controversial. We suggest avoiding politics, religion, marriage, financial status, educational level, ideology, skin color, height, weight, food preferences, favorite actors, actresses, animal breeds, movies, TV commercials, songs, colors, smells, or anything related to anything above.

    2) Do not disagree with anyone about anything. See above.

    3) It is probably safest to simply type “Gee, what a great article! Highly recommended! I can’t wait to share it with my friends!”

    We think that if you follow these simple and effective guidelines, you will find your visit to our website to be both productive and extremely satisfying.

    Thank you for your cooperation!”

  • CrazyPerson

    I am a crazy person. I will soon post dozens of absolutely insane comments on various websites. When I do that, I will use nicknames such as “Dan Gayle” and “Bruce Gary Apar”. By the way, if you are the actual Dan Gayle or Bruce Gary Apar, don’t worry about the fact that you revealed your real name to me. The similarity between your real names and my nicknames is just a coincidence.

  • HamletsMill

    Maybe she is screaming “Find dahling Hamlet and terminate heeem! I vant heeem off dat Site now!’

  • HamletsMill

    Study the history of radio. Once you lose your core audience, you will NEVER get it back. The Huffingtion Post is toast. The disaster will be studied in colleges certainly until the MIC causes Armageddon.

  • HamletsMill

    I looked at the US, Canadian, UK, French, and Italian Sites today. Totally flat lined. 4 comments on the MAIN PAGE article in Italy! Like you, I went into the “Carousel Tomb” to read some comments. Absolutely cardboard. No Zip at all. The few good ones that were thoughtful will NEVER be read by anyone. Instead of the fast thread they are now on tomb thread. The debacle is beyond folly! The AOL corporate suicide of the Huffington Post will eventually become a major story in 2014.

    http://tinyurl.com/kps8qy8

  • HamletsMill

    Indeed! Fanned and Faved!

    http://tinyurl.com/kps8qy8

  • MagnaDave

    Patch is owned by AOL. It seems that AOL has an anti-Midas touch.

  • HamletsMill

    Take a look!

    http://tinyurl.com/kps8qy8

    -30-

  • HamletsMill

    Fanned and Faved!

  • HamletsMill

    Precisely. In the perhaps coming SNL “The Huffington Post North Korea Edition” they can replace articles about Kim K’s big butt with The Great Leader Kim Jung Un’s big butt. Just beat everyone over the head day in and day how with articles about Great Leader’s Glorious Big Butt!

    You get the idea!

  • MagnaDave

    Who knows (besides HP, of course and they’re not talking)?

  • OooShiny

    Still missing the point. Vicious trolls don’t have to comment at a no-troll site to hurt people. Blocking trolls doesn’t stop the angry and disturbed from directly harming someone.

    They merely need to read the comments, click through to Facebook, read all about a user’s location, employment, religion, politics, family, children, assets via photos, etc, and troll them directly OUTSIDE of HuffPost.

  • geezer 56

    Well said, MD. Since the policy has demonstrably NOT increased civility or the level of discourse, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to look further into what, exactly, HP actually expects to gain from this. If not profits, then what?

  • HamletsMill

    Hitler Learns Arianna Huffington Has Made Everyone Join Facebook to Be Able to Post Comments!

    http://tinyurl.com/kps8qy8

    I am now an Enemy of the Corporate State because some higher ups at AOL apparently got very upset by my video! They tracked me down and banned and closed my account at the Huffington Post after 7 years of comments that never caused a problem of any kind and engendered over 4,500 fans. Now erased down the memory hole by suits with very thin skins. What has happened to the United States? I say speak truth to idiots!

    -HamletsMill

  • MagnaDave

    The incredible irony in all this is that people on HP are still using obviously fake names such as “Joe Blow” which pass the so-called verification process, many comments still lack basic civility, spam is still getting through, and conversations are literally almost impossible due to a universally disliked comment format (which, it is rumored, is designed not to reduce clicks (it actually requires FAR more clicking than the old format did) but to enable advertising to be directly targeted at each individual poster in the future).

    Aside from the obvious emotional pain and resentment that HP caused its long-term users, it has failed spectacularly in accomplishing ANY of the goals that they claimed they would when they forced this new policy on its users, conveniently without warning on a Tuesday.

    The ONLY logical explanation is that HP does, indeed, have some sort of business agreement with Facebook, one that seems to be almost entirely weighted in Facebook’s favor. How else to explain that members are forced to join Facebook, artificially increasing its membership numbers? I can’t imagine what HP receives in return but I hope, at least for HP management, it was worth it. From what I’ve seen, all they got was angry former members, reduced readership, some internet notoriety (for all the wrong reasons), and little chance of once again becoming the much-loved and respected gathering place that it was in years past. Hardly seems worth it, no matter what, if any, financial benefits they may have been promised.

    Then again, I guess that the moderators have more time to reject and delete even more comments than they did before. I never dreamed that was even possible.

  • escribacat

    I will never post on any site that requires me to “show my papers” first.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    Shouting won’t help. If you want their attention you’ll have to send a cart down the tracks into the data mine to fetch them.

  • Gin1234

    Would your bravado in writing your comment quickly dissipate if you were to use your real name? Let’s give it a try. It’s easy in Disqus to change your user name, so you go and do that, and then continue in your “conversation” here.

  • HarukoHaruhara

    Dan .. Bruce …

    I
    am
    not
    impressed
    by
    online
    GAMES!

  • Sharyn

    It’s all good. I know that you know.

    You know?

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    Yes, sorry mean to write ET *AND* Poynter – somehow part of my line got wiped in edit mode.

  • HarukoHaruhara

    Look below, two OBVIOUS fakers!

  • Sharyn

    That’s true. And Poynter has been gracious, too. I think they get the point we are all desperately trying to make about instant access to people’s private data.

    That ability needs to be reigned in for their benefit.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    Yes, any amateur can do news aggregation (“Arianna Alphabits, come on down!”) but creating the atmosphere to encourage discussion – as is done across many multiple languages on ET – is an art.

  • Sharyn

    I love that, it also halts any grammar trolls.

    Huffpo should have had an edit button, as angry about trolling as they were.

  • Sharyn

    No kidding. As if we who left were bad. I had 13,000 comments, 4,000 fans and was there three years only ever being positive.

    Who are the real trolls? Huffpo CREATED their own.

  • Sharyn

    Marketers sure have lots of free time to surf the news and comments.

  • Sharyn

    Exactly- that ability- it’s SCARY and it needs to be seriously outed and if no news site will do it then we have to because people need to know they have left their back doors unlocked.

    They trusted FB and HP and have no idea we can just google them and see they went to a Baptist college and have three cats and like jazz.

    Scary.

    That info needs to get out, it needs to scare people enough that they lock down their security settings at the least.

  • Sharyn

    The man is stuck in Plato’s Cave, chained up and staring at the shadows.

  • Sharyn

    Proving himself a true troll.

    Well, Huffpo should be happy, after all, he is here with us and not there.

    Sadly.

  • Sharyn

    BAM!

  • Sharyn

    You’re taking the time to comment on it as well.

    Maybe we can all just “OT LOL” at your grandiosity.

  • Sharyn

    That really bothered me.

    Never once in three years at huffpo was one of my comments offensive and I didn’t use my real last name.

    In fact, I never became vocal against them whatsoever until thy started dictating rules after giving out promises.

    That’s such a lame argument. It serves only the purpose of its speaker.

  • Sharyn

    The sad thing to begin with is that using real names ALLOWS such looking up whether used for good or bad.

    With huff’s new comment system you can pick any commenter and google their name and see where they live, work, went to school, their kids’ photos, where they live, etc.

    I tried it on a lady poster and ended up right on her FB page. She even had directions to her house. She should know that anyone can see that- but she is TRUSTING HUFFPO AND FACEBOOK.

    The ability to do this NEEDS TO BE OUTED so that it can be reeled back in. I picked 7 commenters on an article at Huffpo and I actually found three of them for sure in FB. The photos matched and everything.

    I don’t think they KNOW that that is possible. They SHOULD know.

  • Sharyn

    I don’t even like to read stories at sites where they don’t allow comments.

    I just read about Popular Science banning them all. How sad.

    I often learned more from commenters than I did from the cut and pasted AP and other stories at Huffpo.

  • don

    Well Tim did start some sort of association for Community Managers at some point. He must have been whining about the Huffugees.

  • RockyMissouri

    Where…..??

  • HarukoHaruhara

    Apparently, we have at least two FAKERS showing up here.

    Do you think we’re stupid? Seriously?

  • geezer 56

    People being mean on the Internet is a very small problem when compared with the very real dangers inherent in HP’s policy. HP dropped the net on everybody on Dec. 10, with no warning, and loads of people signed in with their real Facebook account without checking or even having any concern about their privacy settings. I happen to know of one woman who gives the exact location of her home on Facebook, and it’s marked for public display. I’m truly horrified by this. It’s a tragedy waiting to happen.

  • Sharyn

    Completely!

  • Feistyslug

    Great point CG!!

  • Intolerantcentrist

    Caption:

    “…come here my little Troll darlings, let me spank you with my Facebook!”

  • Feistyslug

    OMG! That pic of her Huffiness is hellarious!!

  • gmb007

    You just don’t get it, do you?

    NONE of us are out to “get” BruceTheBlog. We could care less.

    He’s the one who kicked the hornet’s nest by insinuating we’re all virtual “alcoholics” because we have usernames.

    (Funny, cause “BruceTheBlog” seems like a spiffy username. lol)

    By using his very own info, we simply and starkly illustrated how very EASY it is to locate and “data-mine” an individual with even only a partial name ID.

    Think how easy it is with someone’s FULL NAME.

    Alot of mayhem, if one is inclined.

    And there are too many people out there who are not nice like us.

    That’s why pseudonyms and anonymity are so very crucial.

  • OneOtherPerson

    yet you still have absolutely nothing to ad to the discussion.

  • OneOtherPerson

    yet Bruce the Blog claims anyone posting anonymously is a coward and should not be allowed to post.

  • http://www.dangayle.com/ Dan Gayle

    I have waited my entire life for someone to utter that sentence re: (if, indeed, your name is really ‘Dan Gayle’).

  • gmb007

    Bullkrap.

    Publishing facts a poster they themselves have ALREADY PUBLISHED about themselves elsewhere is neither “ad hominem” attacks or trolling!!

    We posted his own personal facts to make our point.

  • HarukoHaruhara

    Tell me, how do you feel when someone online tells you they know what your daughter looks like and they know what school they go to? Seriously? How does that make you feel, Bruce? I mean, you have nothing to hide … or fear.

  • HarukoHaruhara

    No @#$%!

  • Intolerantcentrist

    I believe it was an anonymous Federalist, “Burleigh” who “posted” in the “Connecticut Currant” (September 30, 1800) his fear in the possibility of Thomas Jefferson being
    elected President:

    “Look at your houses, your parents, your wives, and your children. Are you prepared to see your dwellings in flames, hoary hairs bathed in blood, female chastity violated, or children writhing on the pike and halberd?”

    In a historical context, this type thing has blessed or plagued media and the public since this country came to be. Media and the public has not suffered a horrible fate because of it. Get off the media throne and realize; good or bad, it’s all media.

  • Sarah Sahasbeen

    Mr. Gayle, I do apologize for the delay, but I took the time to check your link directly above for the NPR. Strangely enough, I found no mention of you or anything you had to do with the case. However, your buddy, Mr. Bruce Apar, left three different comments on the discussion thread. In all of his remarks, he passionately argued for the requirement of people to use their full names to promote civility in commentaries such as this. Remarkably, when he posted here earlier, he used a pseudonym. Since you are such good friends with him, perhaps you can ask him to explain this to us. Oh, one last thing, I also checked with NPR, it seems they’ve never heard of you.

  • apogee2perogee

    Again, you miss the point. It wasn’t about bashing, it was about demonstrating how easily it can happen. You must admit, his posts were not without invective, either.

  • gmb007

    Touche’, Sharyn!! LOL :)

  • OnyxE

    Well seriously I wonder where people’s heads are at; the importance of anonymity was exactly what we were trying to point out with the Director of Chase Media and by the way…that IS a conflict of interest.

  • OneOtherPerson

    I think we’re dealing with 2/3rds of the Three Marketeers here

  • gmb007

    AND his keyboard.

  • http://www.dangayle.com/ Dan Gayle

    You know that, and I know that. That’s why I’m in full support of anonymity.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    I think you meant “marketing” “professional”.

  • OnyxE

    And it doesn’t matter if a newspaper flags a comment….the psycho troll has all that real information on you. The newspaper won’t be there to defend you against a nutcase or even if your employer fires you because of some views you have.

  • OnyxE

    Puleeze….I was commenting on the Patch when someone looked up personal information about me and somehow comments on Canada geese turned into me defending my workers compensation claim. Just could not be bothered with that BS and that was the end of using my last name. There is no protection on the internet.

  • gmb007

    Thanks, RF, you’re a saint! lol :)

  • http://www.dangayle.com/ Dan Gayle

    I think people mistake my other comment. I would absolutely hate using Facebook for comments. I believe in the ability for people to anonymously post comments without fear of retribution. (As does my newspaper http://www.npr.org/2012/07/31/157665460/shield-anonymous-commenters-more-papers-say-no.) I also choose to use my own name because although I might have horrible taste and questionable opinions, I own up to them.

    Specifically what I’m LOL’ing about is, regardless of using our real names or using a pseudonym, people being meanie heads is the real reason the newspaper industry is dealing with this stuff. Not to hurt anyone’s feelings, but looking up someone’s real name and finding information to bash them with is the exact sort of ad hominem trolling that would get your stuff flagged on practically every newspaper site as against the commenting policy. (In fact, it violates the commenting guidelines here on Poynter.org).

  • abxnomore

    Maybe he’s hoping someone will stop by and visit him in Yorktown Heights. He could be lonely home alone with mommy.

  • OneOtherPerson

    So you think our founding fathers who wrote volumes of controversial political thought under assumed names were cowards?
    So far, you haven’t proven anything other than you make money exploiting other peoples personal data.

  • http://www.dangayle.com/ Dan Gayle

    We went to court to battle in defense of anonymous commenters.

    http://www.npr.org/2012/07/31/157665460/shield-anonymous-commenters-more-papers-say-no

  • Sarah Sahasbeen

    How do people with such limited thinking capacity manage in life? I just do not understand. Maybe Mommy is still taking him to work every day and picking him up later to bring him home.

  • http://is.gd/dFTlUQ RF Dude

    Your comment downthread is ‘not active’, so I have moved my reply up here.
    ———————–

    You work for a newspaper – nteresting. In your newspaper, have you
    covered the topic of online anonymity? And if so, can you provide links
    to those articles?

    This is a serious topic, one which will affect
    these comment forums going forward. I can assure you that the
    requirements HP has imposed on its former community will not bode well
    for the future of online commenting if they become ‘the norm’.

    I am asking this sincerely – I will check back to see what you provide.

    Thank you.

  • apogee2perogee

    Indeed, a grand irony.

  • Sarah Sahasbeen

    What is even more astounding is that Mr. Blog seems to equate posting on an internet blog with mailing a letter through the US Postal Service. I fail to see the connection. Did anyone here make such a threat? It’s strange, I’ve looked up and down this thread and nowhere do I find anyone making such a threat. Reasoning seems to be the least of Mr. Blog’s talents.

  • Intolerantcentrist

    …better take his keys.

  • OnyxE

    And to reply to your comment which disappeared or is inactive: This is Poynter but the ARTICLE is about HP and we are ex HP posters. If you can’t get the basics right…..

    “HuffPost policy banishes trolls — and drives away some frequent commenters”

    HP’s new FB requirement gives them access to: The Huffington Post will
    receive the following info: your public profile, friend list, email
    address, News Feed, birthday, interests, current city, personal
    description and likes.

    No SNOOPS you don’t need all that information. You don’t even need my real or fake facebook name.

  • apogee2perogee

    The more pertinent point is that the potential negative circumstances are comparable. I see that reasoning is not your forte.

  • OneOtherPerson

    You’re willing to buy and sell other people’s personal information without their consent, or even knowledge. These poor shmucks you deal in are your product. Isn’t very ethical in my eyes, And certainly has nothing to do with internet etiquette

  • Sarah Sahasbeen

    The irony of it all. A marketer who has to use words and writing, but writing has no effect at all on those to whom the writing is directed.

  • http://is.gd/dFTlUQ RF Dude

    What this illustrates, Dan, is not what you imply.

    The responses to ‘BruceTheBlog’ illustrate that with a little bit of information vast amounts of personal data can be quickly accessed on the internet.

    BTW – ‘BruceTheBlog’ is a pseudonym, which is the issue here.

    Your comment illustrates that even using a ‘real name’ (if, indeed, your name is really ‘Dan Gayle’) does not prevent individuals from making trollish comments. What you posted contributes nothing to the discussion, is intended to be inflammatory, and serves as a perfect illustration of the folly that Huffington Post plays at making comments ‘grow up’.

    Perhaps you would like to share your reasons for using your name instead of a pseudonym. There are many good reasons – would you like to share yours on this thread?

    There are also many good reasons for individuals to remain anonymous in the online comment forums.

    You have the freedom to use your name to post – that is your choice. For commenters to be required to use a real name, along with providing a personal phone number to FaceBook in order to ‘verify’ that identity, is the sticking point here.

  • OneOtherPerson

    Dan Gayle is also another marketer.
    They fail to realize how easily that can be found out

  • abxnomore

    They set it up to become Craigslist! Full of nut jobs.

  • OnyxE

    Wow according to Linked In it appears you are co organizer of “Spocode is Spokane’s largest hackathon event, drawing programmers, web
    developers, and designers from all over the Inland NW region.”

    THIS IS THE THING…..PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE NOT THE COMMENTERS giving clicks, page views, minutes on site, and creating an online community.

  • apogee2perogee

    They have their biases to maintain. I see in his comments several poorly reasoned assertions. There is no real accountability for what they do professionally. They’d be hard pressed to prove that their choices and even their product changes much, if anything.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    What giant stone were you sleeping under during the past 6+ years when people with their identities open to the world on Facebook were attacked (yes, physically!) for comments they made on Facebook? Is it with this history that you endorse everyone exposing their every opinion? That you are not very good at extrapolating is the best that can be said of you at this point.

  • geezer 56

    Saved me again! ;) Love that “edit” button!

  • Sarah Sahasbeen

    No one was here for any other reason except to show him how easily another person can be found using nothing more than what he put here in the first place – BruceTheBlog. It took less than 10 seconds to find his real name, what his wife looks like, and it all unraveled from there. What he and you fail to realize is there are real lunatics loose in the world and they would like nothing more than the opportunity to attack someone. The object was to prove that anonymity has a real protective purpose. He also claims that a person’s writings can not affect anyone else. I in particular do not believe that. What a person writes can have a very significant result in the way another person thinks and feels. You apparently can’t see that either.

  • OneOtherPerson

    I see you are also a marketing professional.
    Are marketers the only ones that defend this policy, or just the ones that get paid to post in support of the policy?

    http://www.subtxt.us/business-goals-want-to-be-user-goals-when-they-grow-up/

  • OnyxE

    you did it again…… :)

  • OnyxE

    ‘the dude’ comes on with the name brucetheblog and turns out to be Bruce Apar, Director of Chase Media Group. So give it a rest.

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Chase-Media-Group/121478632216

    It’s about data mining.

  • geezer 56

    HP’s policy is a stalker’s dream come true. In a matter of seconds some nut could take umbrage at a comment, look the person up, and in many cases find enough pubic information about them on Facebook to drive right to their home. HP is capitalizing on people’s naivete, under the ruse of protecting them from threats, while putting them in real danger. It’s unconscionable.

  • apogee2perogee

    If the Founders are so grand for you, then why don’t you see the wisdom in their example?

  • apogee2perogee

    Evidently, you can not imagine beyond your own circumstance.

  • Intolerantcentrist

    With the sad end of Paine’s life, one would have to except “trolls” are also time travelers…

  • apogee2perogee

    You missed the point. He wasn’t googled to make it personal. He was googled to show how easily it can happen to anyone and why it is so foolish to link personal information to opinions.

  • Intolerantcentrist

    Or as we refer to them today as “tools”…

  • Intolerantcentrist

    Why not…? I believe they referred to one another as “citizen”.

  • http://www.dangayle.com/ Dan Gayle

    I’m LOL’ing the comment threads here, because of just how perfectly they illustrate the issues. A dude posts some innocuous comment and people take the time to Google him just to OT flame him personally. Go internet!

  • abxnomore

    Her site has become a schmatta; it’s nothing but a tabloid rag!

  • abxnomore

    She won’t need them. In time Huff Post will be the least visited site and only frequented by the dumbed down types. She’s been totally exposed by her actions. Selling to AOL was telling but now this, shutting us out without notice and dictating that we join Facebook–oh no you have been exposed Arianna.

  • abxnomore

    Totally, it was never for any other reason.

  • abxnomore

    Arianna looking pretty desperate in that photo and for good reason, she’s been totally exposed!!!

  • gmb007

    There can be NO informed voting without informed thought, informed debate and informed comment.

    You, sir, are ignorance personified.

    Look up “Common Sense” – anonymously penned by “Written by an Englishman”.

    That author, Thomas Paine, was the prime catalyst that turned the tide of American history.

    George Washington, who read Paine’s entire pamphlet to his troops, later said that without Paine’s “Common Sense” there would have been no American Revolution.

    THAT, sir, is what anonymity can accomplish.

  • abxnomore

    lol :-)

  • Sharyn

    His bridge called, dinner was ready.

  • OnyxE

    Not only that, but as well as all your information HP will get all your friends information. Things they mark for friends will be open to HP because they appear on your newsfeed. This is REALLY disgusting.

  • abxnomore

    Where did Brucie go???

  • abxnomore

    Nah, you could get all that stuff at Turcos in Yorktown and have it delivered!!! :-)

  • abxnomore

    Should I stop at Turco’s Bruce to pick up some munchies to enjoy during our visit? Is it antipasto that you like?

  • abxnomore

    Huff Post deserves to fold after the way they treated those who were posters on the site. I guess they failed to realize that the posters and the discussion/conversation is what attracted people to the site not their poor journalism, not the misuse of words in their articles, not the typos in their articles and certainly not the non -stop articles about Kim Kardashian or Miley Cyrus on the front page.

    How dare they close me out with no notice at all and tell me I have to open up a Facebook account and give them my cell phone number in order to continue participating. I closed my account the very next day.

    Not only did they lie and treat their membership poorly and with total disrespect but they know very well that forcing people to open a Facebook account will not cut down on the number of trolls because they know that many have opened up fake Facebook accounts; thus, what they have done in essence is allowed people to have anonymity by way of fake information and accounts. Isn’t that hypocritical!

    What’s more you get what you attract. Who are they trying to attract with all those misleading headlines and tabloid-like articles?

    You lost me Huff Post and thousands of your most savvy commenters and that’s just what you deserve. Despite your lies, you couldn’t fool everyone.

  • OnyxE

    You offered your full name after you were outed. I think it is also a total conflict of interest for the director of chase media group to be telling us we should be sharing all our personal information with you. You still haven’t explained why HP wants ALL our FB information including our friends and groups.

    By the way…how many comments have you posted on HP’s articles over how many years?

    And PS you ARE a corporate tool.

  • Sharyn G.

    That was such a laugh attack and the comments! It was like it flew over everyone’s head.

    Of course dissent was moderated, surely.

  • gmb007

    EXACTLY what this entire “BruceTheBlog” thread highlights!

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    All agents MUST attend the *only* agents’ Open House at 11:45 pm Sunday evening!

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    Oh they don’t let you die until you’ve been recruited. It’s like the Borg – you will be assimilated. Resistance – even by unconsciousness – is futile.

  • OneOtherPerson

    it certainly shows this is about marketing and data mining, and has nothing to do with online etiquette.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    I think surely he gets the drift. If he was nearly as “sophisticated” and “savvy” about Internet culture as he’d like to pretend, he would not have left quite so much laundry out on the line to flap in the wind. He’s probably already equated the inevitable consequences of his own actions to being “trolled” or “bullied”. This is how these people “think”.

  • gmb007

    You’ve been married 30 years.
    You love golfing.
    You take acting classes at Howard Meyer’s Axial Theater in Pleasantville, NY.
    You have a grown daughter named Elissa.

    Wait, there’s more, brave, I-put-my-real-name-out-there Mr. BruceTheBlog!

    (Do you need a drink, yet?)

    We’re just getting started! More details to follow…

  • Sharyn G.

    Rather handy. They must all be getting paid.

  • Sharyn G.

    I do remember he said -
    “In case of doubt, attack.”

  • Sharyn G.

    That’s good!

  • gmb007

    Geez, cheap thrills. I’d freaking die of boredom!

  • Sharyn G.

    Ha ha

  • Sharyn G.

    You know Plato’s Cave Theory? About the people who live their whole lives chained up in a cave in front of a path where people walk by? They never see anything but the shadows reflected on the wall. Then one escapes and exits the cave and sees a whole world. He returns to the cave and tells the others the truth of what he saw, that a whole colorful and mobile world is out there. No one will believe him, they only see and like the shadows cast onto the walls, it is their sole reality and they prefer them, happily, and will hear and see nothing else.

    The people in the cave? They are the new Huffpo fans.

  • Sharyn G.

    You’re right. I forgot that he can’t even phone it in.

  • BruceTheBlog

    Well, it’s been real, and thanks y’all for proving HP’s point in spades. I seem to be the lone dissenter on a thread where democracy is invoked, and how do you react to democratic dissent? With all the measured deliberation of mob mentality foaming at the thought of eviscerating the one who is different. I offer my full name and the feral response is… What’s your phone #?! We know where you live now! You’re a corporate tool! Where’s the naked lighbulb for the full procedural effect? This is what you folks call constructive dialogue? And all those calling for my head, along with my real identity, which I’ve provided, still aren’t outing themselves. Naturally. Congratulations for chasing away another interloper in your oh-so-democratic demimonde who has the temerity not to agree on point with the rest of the sheep. The good news for you and me both is that this black sheep amongst you won’t be baa baa baack!

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    It is akin to being sold a ticket on the newest addition to an airline’s fleet, by an airline heavily promoting said newest addition to its fleet, and then once aboard and taxiing out to the runway, opening the in-flight magazine to discover an article detailing how incredibly unsafe that aircraft is. Unfathomable.

  • http://is.gd/dFTlUQ RF Dude

    Patton would probably have said, “If a problem cannot be solved, blow it up!”

    (of course, he would have said it with a generous sprinkling of the Universal Word :-) )

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    Put a schmatta on her, and a kerchief on her head – and she could be an extra in “Mamma Mia! the Movie!” – out of focus in the background and waving her fishwife arms behind Julie Walters, Christine Baranski and Meryl Streep whilst they boogie down to ABBA’s “Knowing Me, Knowing You” along with all the other island locals.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    My guess is that they are being ordered, en masse, to pose as satisfied Huffpost readers, and taking on the manquée personalities of *actual* long-departed – since Dec. 10th or since the “Conbloviation of Condemnation” comment format came into effect, in order to make as many saccharine comments praising HP as possible..

  • Sharyn G.

    Bad people always find a way.

  • Sharyn G.

    Pudding pie (yum)

  • Sharyn G.

    No way it can if people are too scared to stick their necks out and voice an opinion. You’re right.

  • Sharyn G.

    Or free couch.

  • Sharyn G.

    Anything to take the blame off themselves.

    In law it’s called the “soddit” defense- some other guy did it.

  • OneOtherPerson

    Now you’re thinkin

  • Sharyn G.

    She’s blind. She’s Oedipus at Thebes, blinded by hubris.

    She sought an answer to trolls yet didn’t realize she herself brought them on with her own incendiary headlines that were custom made to create and stir fights and debate.

  • OneOtherPerson

    Funny, I’ve only run into a few of the HP brown-nosers, since I left the site on the 10th and never returned. But every one I have run into has been a social media consultant. Easy to find with a simple Google search, complete with Facebook and LinkedIn accounts.

  • Sharyn G.

    And they created many, many enemies.

  • Sharyn G.

    Great quote.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    It looks like they all spend “educational weekends” together at the Landmark Forum, recruiting one another to sell MaryKay, Herbalife and Amway (among others).

  • Sharyn G.

    Huffpo even covered that story!

    I wrote about them reporting on that and then two weeks later for ing everyone to join FB.

    I was banned for it.

    “No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth. Ignorance, the root and the stem of every evil.”
    -Socrates, my favorite man in a toga

  • Sharyn G.

    Huffpo keeps making more and more rules. They’ve not learned from the annals of history.

    “The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.”
    -Tacitus

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    Why stop there? Call the SallyAnn and arrange a Sunday 7 am pick-up of donated furniture ;-) Call every real estate agent in town and mention the house needs to be on MLS – stat!

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    ZERO effort I assure you. Imagine what a skilled and motivated person might come up with… I shudder to think.

  • Sydney

    HP’s move was all about data mining. Nothing else.

    Forget the bravado of virtual alcohol. What of those who shared personal medical history in order to console others or seek advice w/out disclosing their identities? What of those who found HP to be a great outlet to express political opinions w/out fearing repercussions from an employer. friend or family member?

  • gmb007

    Bruce, what will ELYSE say about your shameless, brazen self-promotion using…omg…a pseudonym?!! Does she know you drink??

    Let us know soon! xoxo :)

  • undsoweiter

    Blah, blah, blah, Tim, blah, Arianna, blah, blah, bye. You lied to us, and on D-Day, Dec. 10, you gagged us, tied us up and disappeared us.
    If we were the problem, then problem solved. I don’t know what you’re going to do with all of the additional human moderators you hired. Maybe they can sweep up or something.

  • AskandTell

    He’s hired to troll; he’s the person everyone is warning us about.

  • http://is.gd/dFTlUQ RF Dude

    Psssst – here’s some mental floss, Gmb. I’ve hardly had to use it since leaving The Poo :-)

  • Sharyn G.

    My guess is he copied and pasted it and will use it as his own.

  • OnyxE

    And surprise surprise the director of a marketing/advertising group is all in favor of getting access to our personal data.

  • http://is.gd/dFTlUQ RF Dude

    The Miley thing was sad, and HP used it for weeks to generate traffic to the site. Irresponsible on the part of both parties.

    The only thing I ever read on the whole fiasco was Sinéad O’Connor’s open letter to Miley Cyrus:

    http://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/oct/03/sinead-o-connor-open-letter-miley-cyrus

    Of course, her letter generated little buzz and quickly vanished from sight at HP. I guess there is more clicks generated by the soft-pron (and getting harder all the time…) front pages than the heartfelt letter from a person experienced in ShowBiz (and Sinéa’s letter was very sincere and heartfelt).

    That’s all I want to know about that…

  • OnyxE

    Many of HPs silly blogs and all those ‘articles’ on KIms big butt and Paulina’s fake boobs aren’t going to change much either. HP is little more than a cheap tabloid built on the backs of 18,000 unpaid bloggers. Don’t mix this up with real journalism.

  • gmb007

    I know, huh? Humility doesn’t seem to be his forte.

    More like pooslinger.

  • gmb007

    Yorktown, NY is it, Bruce Apar?

    (Someone got all the whitepages info and directions?)

    Can we all come over for lunch to discuss this further?

    Oh, and no need to serve alcohol. We’re 100% sober.

  • OnyxE

    So who is HP? What makes them the Supreme Court of the USA and other countries? Do you even read their articles? Do you post on HP?

  • gmb007

    EXACTLY, Ian! Have you actually read Timmy’s twitter? It looks like a mutual admiration networking society Rolodex.

  • Sharyn G.

    Great work you guys. I’m almost on the carpet laughing. He will go back to Ariana’s troll-safe playground and play on the monkey bars soon.

  • Sharyn G.

    Order him a pizza and some Chinese delivery COD.

  • Sarah Sahasbeen

    Nah, if he did, Timmy would have told him to do this by email. Timmy doesn’t speak in real life.

  • Sharyn G.

    “Punslinger?”

    Oh my. Brag a little.

  • gmb007

    Good Googling, Ian! LOL :)

  • Sharyn G.

    He probably called Timmy.

  • Sharyn G.

    Love that photo of Ariana the Great.

    She’s in her own little Greek tragedy up there.

    Appropriate.

  • Sarah Sahasbeen

    Since you don’t mind letting everyone know that, why do you hide behind BruceTheBlog instead of publishing everything under your real name?

  • Unlisted2u

    This, to me, is the worst of the worst!

    I have less-than-zero respect for ANYONE ( which these days includes corporations ) who knowingly place other people’s safety, jobs and very lives in jeopardy! Add to that their profit agenda and the real troll has revealed itself.

    Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you: Huffington Past / AOhEll.

    - 30 -

  • Sharyn G.

    HP themselves were the trolls. They wrote articles with titles BAITED to attract battle in the comment section.

    “What Big Girls Like to be Called” and the like.

    It was getting embarrassing to admit I was a daily reader there.

  • OneOtherPerson

    And you are a self promoting marketeer using data mining to make money.
    Like cashing out on supposed friends.
    No bias there. And no scruples either.
    But when you do that, doesn’t it bother you that anyone with an opposing viewpoint could call you up all day and harass your family?

  • gmb007

    You are HIDING under a pseudonym.

    If you weren’t you’d post under Bruce Gary Apar.

    You’re simply a craven, self-promoting jerk.

  • Sarah Sahasbeen

    Bravo, Sharyn, but it’ll probably go right over his head.

  • OnyxE

    Why so you can do some data mining on us and target us with ads?

  • Sharyn G.

    They were really getting creepy with all the exploitive Miley near-nudity they loved to spew at us.

  • Sarah Sahasbeen

    Mr. Blog, in case it has not occurred to you, it is possible to change someone’s mind by another person reading what they write. Writers write because they have something to contribute. That’s the basis of great literature. Granted, a blog or a news aggregator is not great literature, but the mere fact of writing one’s feelings or experiences can change another’s mind and perception.

  • Sharyn G.

    It’s actually what made it so hard to even want to visit or comment anymore. It took too much time to read comments. For me on a mobile device the comment “carousels” were the tipping point. After that, the FB enlistment only angered me further. I’d always used real photo and first name and already had a FB attached, but being forced to do something pretty much changes the climate of well, everything.

  • gmb007

    Wow, talk about narcissistic self-promotion! LOL

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    Must… retreat… to… Regeneration… Chamber…!

  • Sharyn G.

    “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
    -Socrates, Republic

  • Sharyn G.

    So? You think anyone’s going to send you a letter? Ha ha.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    Oh please. These people never have bosses. They are always unemployable “self-employed” as “consultants” and “coaches” and “network marketers”. Just look at all those types rallying tor Timmeh on the Turning The Stomach page.

  • Sharyn G.

    Then they can write and publish the articles about it. That’s how blind they are.

    It’s Oedipus at Thebes in real life.

  • gmb007

    If “Anonymity online is virtual alcohol.” then I’d say you’re DRUNK.

  • OnyxE

    R U INSANE….’BRUCETHEBLOG’??

  • Sarah Sahasbeen

    Quelle surprise!!

  • Sharyn G.

    Ha ha. I would not doubt you.

  • OnyxE

    You GET NO SAY.

  • OneOtherPerson

    We found his work number in case we want to phone his boss and ask him w t f

  • gmb007

    Sounds like Mr. BruceTheBlog is getting free advertising for his BruceTheBlog blog.

    Oooh, clever and so devious and totally chicken####.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    Knowing their business model, he has probably just PAID THEM big $$ to graciously allow him to self-promote by being “Hot On The Blogs”…

  • AskandTell

    You are a data broker for Chase. Shame on you.

  • OnyxE

    BruceTheBlog aka Bruce Apar where are you??? How dare you post that BS under ‘brucetheblog’? “Anonymity online is virtual alcohol. Both instill a sense of bravado
    that quickly dissipates when identified by actual name or when sober.” says BruceTheBLog.

    You made the Chase Media Group look real good…..if you are the director they have problems. Hows the data mining business these days?

    http://www.linkedin.com/in/bruceapar

  • HarukoHaruhara

    Just the name. We think we know who it was.

    But it just goes to show how easy it is to get around their rules if you want to play those games.

  • Sharyn G.

    Advertising and marketing? Probably hired to do PR on the side by HP.

  • Sharyn G.

    I wouldn’t doubt it.

  • Sharyn G.

    Yeah, because were stupid.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    Please inhale deeply and hold whilst we rush about doing just that! Because we want to emulate precisely your unique gift for exposing yourself, your spouse, family and friends to potential reprisals from employers, neighbors, co-workers – really anyone in the entire world who takes extreme unction with anything you might say/have ever said/say in future on the Interwebz.

  • gmb007

    Sounds like a total meltdown is imminent! LOL

  • Sarah Sahasbeen

    Hey, Mr. Blog is back.

  • Yam I Am

    No, no, no. A lot of the old HP commenters were very thought provoking and knowledgeable people. It’s more likely than not that many of their comments changed a lot of votes for the better by educating readers of their posts further on a lot of issues. I know I looked at a lot of issues harder after reading a lot of those posts, and went on to educate myself further on those subjects. By the way, Bruce what?

  • Sharyn G.

    I love it how Tim says this-

    “…I feel that freedom of expression is given to people who stand up for what they say and [are] not hiding behind anonymity…”

    Yet in replies to people also tells them they can still be anonymous!

    Yes, I tweeted him about that. I even used his own words. No reply. Hmm .

    @tamcdonald You wrote “should not have to reveal who you are on #HuffPost” hmm. Idea was use real names to get rid of trolls. How ironic.
    2:36pm – 6 Jan 14

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    Ok, now you’re either being too Fashion Police or too Creepy-Stalkerish. Please allow Mr. TheBlog to digest that commentary of yours without inciting him further. Allow him to absorb the implications of his apparent love affair with complete transparency.

  • OnyxE

    The guy works for Chase Media Group…advertising/marketing. He’s just a deceitful snake in the grass for all HIS BRAVADO under ‘brucetheblog’. http://www.linkedin.com/in/bruceapar

  • gmb007

    Poor Bruce. You up-voted yourself. How desperately pathetic. lol

    Why don’t you come out and play instead of hiding behind your brave words???

  • xetaprime

    LOL!

  • Sarah Sahasbeen

    Yes but I’m sure being at the beach made up for it. The ocean in the background looks nice and refreshing. Pretty white outfit she was wearing too.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    Surely not! ;-p

  • BruceTheBlog

    Who’s hiding. My full, legal name is Bruce Gary Apar. I look forward to the others attacking my comments divulge their full, legal names as well.

  • gmb007

    Poor “BruceTheBlog”.

    You can’t be very anonymous under that name. LOL

    Sounds like you’ve got serious identity issues.

    We know your real name and where you live.

    Ain’t the internetz a grand thing??

    hahahaha

    Seriously, you’re a chicken####.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    No sleuthing involved. Mere Google. Page One. Top rankings. Finding these people is ___NOT___ rocket surgery.

  • OnyxE

    What a coward….how dare you post that BS under ‘brucetheblog’.

    Bruce Apar Master Wordsmith, Content Curator, TV & Event Presenter, ‘Bruce the Blog,’ Actor, Punslinger
    Greater New York City Area
    Writing and Editing

    Director of Business Development, Social Media & Information
    at Chase Media Group

    http://www.linkedin.com/in/bruceapar

    Chase Media Group – marketing/advertising. OF COURSE YOU ARE ALL FOR DATA MINING.

    http://www.chasemultimedia.com/

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    It’s good if you’re a-ok with being all transparent-y, no?

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    .. if a tad wistful and long-suffering. Having a blowhard for a spouse can be quite draining.

  • gmb007

    That’s the one!!

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    Probably having technical issues trying to translate responses in English back into its native TeaBorg dialect, having nanoprobe issues and consulting the HiveCollective…

  • OneOtherPerson

    complete with phone number. That can’t be good.

  • Yam I Am

    Whatever they did over at HP, one thing is for sure. There is no meaningful conversation in the comments anymore. First, the newer format they have makes it tough to get a conversation going, and second, censorship and the dullness of the newer sign-ups has taken all the zip out of the site. It’s like its been castrated – nope, the Tea Party and the Koch brothers will find HP has been neutered come the next election cycle, no need for them to fear any type of criticism of their crazy candidates any more.

  • gmb007

    Frightening, isn’t it?

    Good sleuthing, Ian. :)

  • Sarah Sahasbeen

    The picture of him and the pretty blonde lady is charming. She’s quite stunning, in fact.

  • Ian_Llanganagain
  • gmb007

    Well, so far, Mr. Blog, we know your real name is Bruce Apar, you live in the Hudson Valley New York and you blog under the digital ownership of Chase Media Group.

    Don’t go away, there’s more to come…

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    Only one listed in whitepages.com, giving a tight age range, spousal name, address, telephone number and handy-dandy map (road or photographic, take yr pick!) right up to the front door. Sure hope he never accidentally incenses anyone who holds opposing political views by stating something publicly on the Internet (where it will rest, available in perpetuity)…

  • Canukistani

    Well then, Mr. TheBlog. It appears that you’ve joined the ranks of the intoxicated.

  • OneOtherPerson

    Not sure why, but I think the Blog has left the building.

  • Canukistani

    Given that The Huffington Post itself recently published an article telling its readers why they should quit Facebook in 2014, I find it puzzling that they can, at the same time, demand that you have a verified Facebook account in order to access The Huffington Post.

    It seems that you have to go against their own recommendations in order to be able to comment on an article on their own site. Why is it that even they don’t see this as the height of absurdity? Everyone else surely does.

  • Sarah Sahasbeen

    and mayor of Townlink

  • OnyxE

    Well what can ‘brucetheblog’ say after that bit of stupidity he posted under the name ‘brucetheblog’? He is GONE. It was probably Timmy.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    The profile I found also has “LIKE”s for a few local/regional Republican organizations. I am wondering why I find this entirely unsurprising.

  • OnyxE

    PS ‘BruceTheBLog’ explain why HP wants: The Huffington Post will receive the
    following info: your public profile, friend list, email address, News Feed,
    birthday, interests, current city, personal description and likes.

    They want to know my friends for what…a character reference? And access
    to my newsfeed which is every single thing I and my friends and my
    groups do on FB. HP needs to know this? And I can tell you crims look
    for opportunity all the time…they will be lining up to work at HP to
    get acess to so much info. And in case you hadn’t heard, identity theft
    is the fastest growing crime. You people are nutso. BruceTheBlog, bahaha. Yeah right.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    Curiously this Bruce Apar’s (https://www.facebook.com/mediapar) profile features two “LIKE”s of groups that feature the same avatar as BruceTheBlog’s. Could be coincidence! (but twice?)

  • xigan

    Don’t worry! HP bought quite a few bridges from Mark Zuckerberg recently.

  • OneOtherPerson

    In Yorktown

  • gmb007

    Why the sudden SILENCE, lying TROLL?!!

  • Sarah Sahasbeen

    Say, Bruce, does the name Bruce Apar mean anything to you?

  • Sharyn G.

    Also, there’s so many trolls on FB alone the bridges are looking for new tenants.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    If by “bit”, Sharyn, you meant “entirely and wholly”, I concur with you.

  • OnyxE

    Oh right and ‘BrucetheBlog’ is your real name.

    Do some reading. “”Who watches the watchers?”) and “Absolute power corrupts absolutely.”

    Cardinal Richelieu understood the value of surveillance when he
    famously said, “If one would give me six lines written by the hand of
    the most honest man, I would find something in them to have him hanged.”
    Watch someone long enough, and you’ll find something to arrest — or
    just blackmail — with. Privacy is important because without it,
    surveillance information will be abused: to peep, to sell to marketers
    and to spy on political enemies — whoever they happen to be at the
    time.

    Privacy protects us from abuses by those in power, even if we’re doing nothing wrong at the time of surveillance.

    For if we are observed in all matters, we are constantly under threat of
    correction, judgment, criticism, even plagiarism of our own uniqueness.
    We become children, fettered under watchful eyes, constantly fearful
    that — either now or in the uncertain future — patterns we leave
    behind will be brought back to implicate us, by whatever authority has
    now become focused upon our once-private and innocent acts. We lose our
    individuality, because everything we do is observable and recordable.

    https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/05/the_value_of_pr.html

    Also look at some of the articles HP posts, this isn’t exactly NY TImes high brow news. ….’11 Things You’ve Always Wanted to Know About Lesbian Sex But Were Afraid to Ask’ written by Jincey Lumpkin, Founder and Chief Sexy Officer, Juicy Pink Box. “Question: What exactly do you two do?”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jincey-lumpkin/10-things-youve-always-wa_b_4414539.html

  • Sharyn G.

    So strange and true.

  • Sharyn G.

    And YOUR name isn’t anonymous? Give us your phone number, too, while you’re at it, “BrucetheBlog” is doubtfully your real name.

    Seems a bit hypocritical there.

  • Sarah Sahasbeen

    For someone who rails so strenuously against anonymity, why did you choose to hide behind an anonymous name, Mr. Blog? (I’m assuming The is your middle name.) If your comments regarding anonymity are so correct, why hide yourself?

  • Sharyn G.

    Ariana is such a cry baby. So many of us used that site politely and with never a nasty comment spoken for years and years.

    Yesterday I tweeted her this:

    “Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws.”
    -Socrates #huffpost

    She hasn’t answered. I doubt she will. It’s too bad she cannot benefit from the genius and lessons learned from her own Greek ancestors. Plato scribed that note from Socrates in 5th century Greece. Some people are doomed to repeat history.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    Just another low effort thinker is that one, no doubt completely unaware that the anonymous commentary of the Federalist Papers were instrumental in the founding of the United States.

  • gmb007

    So is “TheBlog” your real last name?

  • OneOtherPerson

    I see you don’t mind making a fool of yourself on blogs, but most of us are not here for self promotion. Some of us have real jobs that could be in jeopardy if our company knew our political views

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    … says “BruceTheBlog” – anonymously. Oh, the irony. What you’ve said is total nonsense and you have absolutely no idea what you are bloviating about. HP (and other news sites that continue to permit anonymous commenting for that matter) was replete with the contributions of news and information from commenters LIVING on the ground in despotic nations such as Iran, China, Libya, etc., who could not, for legal and/or logistical reasons, post on FB or Twitter without putting themselves at great physical and legal risk. They could do so at HP because it flew under the radar – and under the rubric of a news site, so as such was not closely monitored for user content the way social media are. Those people are now silent and we have lost their eye-witness accounts. Shame on you.

  • BruceTheBlog

    Anonymity online is virtual alcohol. Both instill a sense of bravado that quickly dissipates when identified by actual name or when sober.

  • OneOtherPerson

    we’re comparing political thought and expression.
    You seem to be the instigator of ill will here.

  • BruceTheBlog

    And you’re comparing yourself to The Founding Fathers. Delusions of grandeur, anyone?

  • gmb007

    FASCINATING that all these Johnny-come-lately “supporters*” of the new HP-FB Gestapo Tactic suddenly appeared AFTER Dec. 10th. Crawling out of the woodwork.

    We saw little to none of this gung-ho-bravo-yay!!! “support” back in August when HP first announced this monstrous policy.

    Does HP plant their own sock-puppet “members” and trolls?

    Why, YES, they do – especially now since they’ve got to prop up their crashing comment numbers.

    * New members, few comments, few fans.

  • BruceTheBlog

    You’re comparing the greatest right in a democracy — voting — to posting a comment online? The latter is more self-indulgence than inalienable right. Your vote means something and might change something. Your comment, in terms of quantifiable impact on society, means nothing and will change nothing. What’s ridiculous is your analogy. Here’s another analogy fer ya: posting anonymous, threatening messages through the U.S. mail is a federal crime.

  • Molari

    ▸TechCrunch switched to Facebook comments in 2011, but 2 years later asked “Commenters, We Want You Back.”◂

    HuffPost will NEVER get me back if they do. Hufferpost should of invested time to evolve their “reporting” system if there were any real trolls… but hufferpost must now live with their idiotic fail.

    I truly wish Mrs Huffington a very nice day….and yes Mrs Huffington, I do wish your news org to FAIL!

  • Classical_Gas

    I’ll go with both of the above.

  • OneOtherPerson

    will trade for weed

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    LOL – under “Missed Connections”

  • OneOtherPerson

    soon to be on Craig’s List

  • OneOtherPerson

    right where my mind went too.

  • OneOtherPerson

    Trolls were the problem, but if you used the word “troll”, your post got deleted.
    Either their reasoning is faulty, or their excuses are dishonest.

  • OnyxE

    I will also point out an older article on this site talked about the number of comments HP gets; it was up to 90 million a month, that would be about 250,000 a day. If you look at HP today I think it would be difficult to find 20,000 comments on the entire site.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    It won’t be one of the increasingly rare bidding items either. It’ll be “Make An Offer!”

  • Classical_Gas

    Twerking in pudding? ;-)

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    I take it you don’t approve of the new Castigation of Confabulations comment format, with its whirly-gig “where it stops, nobody knows” lack of functionality? My favourite aspect of that intro was how it was custom-built to be smart-phone and tablet friendly, and more people on smart phones and tablets were/are complaining about having problems with it than people on regular computers…

  • xigan

    I always had the impression that the HP community dealt with trolls very well. The vile stuff disappeared quickly because it was flagged. The other trolls were handled with aplomb. Some of those troll posts actually turned out to be excellent conversation starters. I learned quite a few interesting things from very well-written rebuttals. And let’s not forget: Some of those who initially may have looked like trolls turned out to be real people you can have meaningful discussions with. Those threads were always my favorite :)

    The FB requirement is – more than anything else – a vote of no confidence against the HP community.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    From above – “(Via email, I asked HuffPost’s McDonald to give me some idea of what he
    has observed in comment drop off, but he hasn’t gotten back to me…” That’s probably because he is out suiting up to do some freefall-skydiving in an attempt to get a personal sense of how the comment numbers have declined – and how ad revenue numbers are soon to follow. HP: the drop-zone without ripcords.

  • OnyxE

    If you look at Tims ‘turning the page article’ these few samples are typical of the people who support using real names to post on HP. They are not typical posters and would not have much affect in raising any sites profile.

    Elaine Davis “I think this is awesome! =)”
    Elaine has been posting at HP since July, 2012, has made 21 comments, has 17 friends.
    ….Elaine apparently has everything on her facebook page set to public including her photos. Well she does have a hubby, teenage son, and a 2011 Mercury Mariner so maybe she feels secure to post 21 very benign comments over 1-1/2 years.

    James M. “I agree with this and stand by all my comments made. Past, present and
    future.”
    ……yet James M. only gives a last initial. He has been at HP since 2012 and only made 213 comments.

    Andy Robinson – 2 fans. Member Since November 2012 with a grand total of 40 comments. Andy apparently has a professional background in security….why should he worry?
    Andy says people should learn martial arts and carry a gun for security. Although
    carrying a gun would be illegal in many of the countries HP includes in their readership including Canada, the UK, Japan, etc.

    When I left HP December 10th I had been there under that name since June, 2013 and had 250 fans and made 2,500 comments. I refused to give HP access to my friends list and my newsfeed. They were manipulative liars and snoops.

  • Richard M

    Just his name? Or had they hijacked the friends account? On McDonald’s Turning the Page, there are several suspicious accounts, years old with very few comments. Then suddenly on Dec 10 those zombie accounts simultaneously re-animated.

    I don’t believe it to be co-incidental. Tim et al, are using sock puppets. IMHO.

  • gmb007

    Let’s just tell the truth.

    If “trolls*” were ever the mongo “problem” HP said they were and not the brazen excuse for their draconian FB ID-Data Mining policy – they would have gotten off their cheap-azz wallet and hired an army of human mods to police their millions of monthly comments.

    * (gee, why are all our salacious, divisive, sensational headlines drawing so many click-trolls?!!)

  • Annie Snyder

    The website that bites the hands that feed it very well could find itself left to starve to death, eh Huffpo?

  • gmb007

    Dear Mr. Kirkland:

    Did HP also tell you that they now automatically label members’ ENTIRE COMMENT HISTORY with their real names?

    That’s right – very personal stories, opinions and beliefs you safely made under pseudo-anonymity regarding sensitive, controversial subjects are now Open Season for family, friends, strangers, employers, enemies.

    WHY would HP do such an awful thing?

    That, alone, is the worst kind of brazen BETRAYAL.

    ~ Legion of EX-HuffPosters aka Huffugees

  • OnyxE

    HP’s site ranking have dropped 4 places, they used to be 9th before the new commenting policy and now they are 13th, behind Yelp.

    https://www.quantcast.com/top-sites/US/1/

    Talking about ‘civility’ I think we also have to look at what different sites publish; HP uses a lot of misleading sensational headlines and publishes a lot of cr*p such as selfies posted on Instagram by Paulina Gretzky, Kim, etc etc. People are NOT interested in Paulina, posts on
    her ALWAYS get mostly negative comments…but HP continues to post her selfies of her boobs spilling out. That tells me HP deliberately wants to provoke readers and get clicks and comments and page views, etc etc. On one hand they want but they don’t want. Well you can’t have it both ways.

    Privacy and freedom of expression are intrinsically linked no matter what Timmie and Arianna try to tell us. “Freedom of expression and privacy are two sides of
    the same coin – and we need both for full participation in democratic society. Surveillance
    techniques that prevent individuals remaining anonymous when producing or accessing information both infringe privacy and have a chilling effect on free expression.”
    https://www.privacyinternational.org/issues/freedom-of-expression

    Arianna talks about vicious trolls….however unless the vicious troll/psycho knows who you are and some details about you they are no real threat. If the troll doesn’t know I live in
    the same city and just down the block from him there’s not much he can really do to me. So Arianna was not really thinking too deeply about her comment. People who post much on the internet under their real name are simply silly and putting themselves in danger.

    Another crazy thing is HP publishes regular ANTI FACEBOOK articles such as one of their latest “Facebook is embroiled in yet another privacy controversy.” This article was both on their news site and on THEIR FACEBOOK page. Who can even respect this insanity?

  • xigan

    I don’t even know how many times I’ve read that some journalist or other “eviscerated” a politician in an interview, only to find out – upon reading the article – that all that journalist did was ask a single, easily deflected follow-up question. Woop dee doo.

  • gmb007

    Last month Facebook usernames and passwords were HACKED (even before HP’s Dec. 10 policy change!).

    So, hey, it makes perfect sense for HP to force its legion of longtime, loyal members to connect to Facebook just to play the Comment Lottery.

    What the #### could go wrong?

  • OooShiny

    Does HuffPost assume that demanding real names will also stop trolls from *reading* comments?

    Trolls reading comments where but a few clicks on a username lead to Facebook showing full name, city, gender, age, marital status, religion, politics, employment, travel plans and photos of children of users who might have missed disabling all 30 security and privacy options hidden in 10 different boxes and tabs around the site?

    HuffPost’s banning pseudonyms while demanding linkage to individual Facebook accounts forces sacrifice of personal safety and privacy in exchange for the privilege of waiting up to an hour or more for posts to appear in a medieval Rube Goldberg contraption of commentary layout.

    Thanks, but no thanks.

  • http://is.gd/dFTlUQ RF Dude

    Oh, Gawd – the front page was more embarrassing than the tabloid rags at the grocery store checkout counter.

    HP exhibited an extremely unprofessional sense of what to publish and where to put it. I’m OK with tabloid articles, but not when HP publishes a front page with the latest tragedy for a headline with sin-sational soft-pron headlines and MileyKardashianBieber twerkabillie photos down the sidebar.

  • Nefertiti

    “If a problem cannot be solved, enlarge it.” –Dwight Eisenhower

  • OneOtherPerson

    LOL
    With our phone numbers out there, at least we won’t be threatened on the internet anymore.

  • xigan

    Don’t forget to add the ever increasing amount of gossip, fluff and clickbait to the list!

  • gmb007

    eeeeeeeew!!!!!

    Now I need brain bleach!!!

  • http://is.gd/dFTlUQ RF Dude

    Good point, BornOkay! Also, if AOL/Techcrunch had actually listened to their commenters, the comment system at AOL/Techcrunck would be Disqus, not Facecrook…

  • don

    The Federalist Papers were published under the pseudonym of Publicus. If anonymity was good enough for the founding fathers, it ought to be good enough for HP.

  • gmb007

    But see, that’s just the thing – HP’s new policy has NOT banished the trolls! LOL

  • BornOkayTheFirstTime

    I find it fascinating that Techcrunch has gone back to the already loathed Facebook system for comments. HP has a shiny new comment system they seem to be oh so proud of. If it’s so great, I wonder why HP doesn’t spread the goodness to their fellow AOL sibling. I suppose AOL is not a big happy family where everyone gets along and shares.

  • missjulz

    HP: We decided too many people were being threatened on our site so we decided we’d reveal more personal data about them. LOL

  • http://is.gd/dFTlUQ RF Dude

    Exactly right, MissJulz!

    Also, add in the ineffable comment-pending issue! Comments pend at HP for hours or days (if they ever post at all) – it is impossible to carry on a ‘conversation’ in any format if the comments do not post in near-real-time (like they do here on Disqus).

    Commenting on HP is like playing a game of chess by pony-express mail – except that by mail you have some assurance that your letter will eventually be received while on HP it’s far more likely that your comment will never post.

  • missjulz

    I don’t even care about their excuses or underlying agenda in all of this. It doesn’t matter. We vote in private. There is a reason for that. For a political website to overlook the very basic need for anonymity in expressing political opinions, a need so basic it is at the foundation of democracy, is ridiculous.

  • Nefertiti

    Yes, indeed, RF, the poor moderation was and still is a contributing factor.

  • malta123

    It’s a term that I use and is fit for purpose, Brits would also recognise the term “brownie” as a suitable alternative, along with the phrase, “a well known brown sauce” as a code name for HP.

  • xetaprime

    Pudding and twerking ;)

  • Robin S Summertown

    The word sycophant was used in this article. This morning I checked a link a Diqus member posted, sycophant is the right word. The site is now plain vanilla with little of substance when it comes to intelligent back and forth.

  • http://is.gd/dFTlUQ RF Dude

    Yes, the ‘carousel’ format was a deal breaker for many of the more prolific posters. It was ill-conceived and poorly implemented.

    At the same time, all comments were subjected to enormous delays while each was moderated. Hours or days would pass before a comment was actually posted to the thread – if it posted at all, and the vast majority just disappeared with no indication of why.

    Conversations depend on quick communication. Commenting at HP was like throwing a bottle into the ocean during a hurricane – the chance that anybody would ever read the message contained in the bottle were infinitely small.

    The Facebook Verification was the final straw for most – why bother to ‘verify’ if your comment will never post anyway…

  • Nefertiti

    Prior to the anonymity issue, I believe that the transition to the “new” horrific comment format (why fix what wasn’t broken?) most certainly contributed to the decline in “thousands of comments.”

  • Intolerantcentrist

    I’m of the opinion that HP’s policy is more about $ then trolls. Facebook’s invocation over other less oppressive measures against “Trolls” pretty much signals more is under consideration than making the internet squeaky clean. Trolls are the excuse for this policy, not the reason.

  • Nefertiti

    Prior to the recent anonymity issue, I believe that the transition to the “new” and horrific comment format (why fix what wasn’t broken?) most certainly contributed to the decline in “thousands of comments.”

  • Sarah Sahasbeen

    Love the picture in the story above. Too bad the tears from the loss of commenters and visitors aren’t visible on her face.

  • Classical_Gas

    Hiya, One – I’m waiting to see HP listed on Ebay.

  • OneOtherPerson

    I see HP is sticking to the “It was the TROLLS” defense.
    Facebook has some of the worst trolls on the internet.
    I think it was the lack of profits (as in none) since AOL took over , deciding data mining was the only way to recoup losses after buying the rag at a 500% inflated price.

  • missjulz

    So what will be the impact of no anonymity coupled with a format that is not conducive to conversations? Vanilla commentary made by drive-by posters. That is fine if you want traffic on a site that discusses such non-controversial topics as pudding. But when you are running a political opinion website it doesn’t bode too well.

  • Classical_Gas

    Less-than-stellar moderation has been a problem for them for quite some time, as we well know. Hiya, Haruko!

  • http://is.gd/dFTlUQ RF Dude

    Interesting… Techcrunch (an AOL property, as Mr. Kirkland points out in this article) has returned to the disasterous Facebook Comment engine that Techcrunch abandoned in March 2013.

    AOL/Techcrunch claims it ‘listened to its commenters’:

    https://twitter.com/max8378/status/327811134356869121/photo/1

    Yet if they had ‘listened’ their commenters were asking AOL/Techcrunch to go back to Disqus…

    Seems that AOL/Techcrunch listens to its commenters just about as much as AOL/HuffPo did…

  • HarukoHaruhara

    No, it doesn’t banish trolls, because I got an email saying someone was using a friend’s old Internet moniker on HP. It wasn’t him. It was a fake name tied to a fake Facebook account and it was someone trolling. Their policy doesn’t stop trolls from doing this.

    You want more civil discourse on a site, hire more moderators.

  • Classical_Gas

    HuffPo neglected to mention that many of the “anonymous” commenters on it’s site had originally signed up with their personal, easily-identifiable email addresses. These people were “anonymous” only to the online community. Your rationale rings hollow, HP.

  • http://www.visin.com/ Thomas Townsend

    Huffpo and Facebook – interesting combination that will finally drive the nail in the Coffin of Ariana Huffington…. Looks like they are trying to copycat Google and YouTubes…recent change in commenting. Good luck…Facebook is NOT Goggle and it’s only going to alienate….the loyal readers they had!